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MSi X Trio 3080 seems to be the fastest GPU out of all 3080s according to 3dmark leaks
 

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Everything falls within expectations with 3080, 30% faster than 2080 Ti on average. Power characteristics are a huge concern as we expected, power limits on FE cards are only really enough to stabilize stock curve. I haven't seen any proper OC video with manual VF curve tunning and undervolting, but you are not getting anywhere with 76C temperature anyway.

3090 is certiany going to be even more power constrained. Looking at how going 370W on 3080 does next to nothing it seems that the same +50% power limit as on Turing will be required, which given already high TDPs of Ampere may not really work all that well. I am starting to think that undervolted 2025 MHz may be a way to go and that clocking will be more similar to Pascal with most cards topping around 2075 MHz rather than Turing where any card can do well past 2100 and you will much sooner trip over power limit and temp before hitting the limit of the silicon.

Again, not much chance for good custom models on launch. Unless 3090 FE somehow has less restrictive power limit than 3080, it looks like quite a bit of waiting.

The differences look really extreme. But considering that something like TUF is reference board without any headroom, it could make sense if Trio really makes use of those 3x8pin connectors. Still it looks like too much.
 

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Regarding temps on FE, manual fan curve would probably help. Toms hardware listed fan RPM for the cards and the 3080 FE was substantially lower than other high end cards. I wonder what that could mean for OC potential since apparently these cards are tuned for noise.

 

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Was looking to get the 3090 fe and water block it due to size constraints but it's looking like I have to find a good 3 8 pin card now. I'm not even sure if I can find a card that'll fit lol.

Any thoughts if a 3 8pin partner model will fit in a 011D with a full cover block?
 

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It's pretty concerning to see 3080 FE cards gain almost nothing going from 320W to 370W power limit. They've got Ampere pushed well past its point of peak efficiency, which is somewhat concerning.

Probably means that to overclock a 3090 in any meaningful way, you're gonna need a 450-500W+ BIOS. Ouch.
 

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Paul's HW reported his 3080 drawing as much as 500w, and that was a FE card

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That's total system power draw though. Not just GPU. When your GPU is putting out more frames, other system components are also being utilized at a higher rate.
 

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...watched Igor's Lab and Gamers Nexus vids on the 3080 FE (which allows for some early conclusions re. 3090 FE). While the new FE stock cooler is an improvement, temps (and with it down-clocking) are still a concern, as are power mods. Overall, GN summed it nicely (paraphrasing) 'those who panic-sold their 2080 Ti for 500 bucks' should regret it. Depending what game / setting you are looking at, improvements are in the 20% to low 30% range.

...apart from Igor's heat-pics, his other repeating refrain is that the Ampere cards are held back by 'the rest of the system. As GN, with similar game scores compared to what Igor was reporting, was running a 10700K / 5.1, kind of makes you wonder what you need for a 3090 (or two)
 

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so Linus posted these slides






very interesting since my 2080ti beats them by 10fps avg, i have mine on an M.2 (corsair mp510)

 

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Just noticed in the nexus gamer video that they were able to hit 2085MHz on the gpu with +900 to memory on 100% fan speed. But it wasn’t sustainable. That actually gives some good hopes for watercooling performance with AIB cards with higher power limits. So 2.1GHz+ may not be that crazy for the 3090.
 

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NVIDIA GeForce® RTX 3090

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   Architecture Ampere
   Chip GA102-300-A1
   Transistors 28,000 million
   Die Size 627 mm²
   Manufacturing Process 8nm

   CUDA Cores 5248 (10496)
   TMUs 328
   ROPs 112
   SM Count 82
   Tensor Cores 328
   GigaRays -- GR/s

   Core Clock 1410 MHz
   Boost Clock 1695 MHz
   Memory 24GB GDDR6X
   Memory Bus 384-bit
   Memory Clock 2437.5 MHz / 19500 MHz
   Memory Bandwidth 936 GB/s
   External Power Supply 12-Pin
   TDP 350W

   DirectX 12.2 Ultimate
   OpenGL 4.6
   OpenCL 2.0
   Vulkan 1.2.140
   CUDA 8.5

   Interface PCIe 4.0 x16
   Connectors 1x HDMI 2.1, 3x DisplayPort 1.4a
   Dimensions 313 x 138mm (3-Slot)

   Price $1499 US

   Release Date September 24, 2020

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   RTX 3090    | GA102-300 |  8nm | 627mm² | 28.0 BT | 5248 CCs* | 328 TMUs | 96 ROPs | 82 SMs | 1695 MHz |  24GB | 1024MB x 24 | GDDR6X | 384-bit | 936 GB/s
   RTX 3080    | GA102-200 |  8nm | 627mm² | 28.0 BT | 4352 CCs* | 272 TMUs | 88 ROPs | 68 SMs | 1710 MHz |  10GB | 1024MB x 10 | GDDR6X | 320-bit | 760 GB/s
   RTX 2080 Ti | TU102-300 | 12nm | 754mm² | 18.6 BT | 4352 CCs  | 272 TMUs | 88 ROPs | 68 SMs | 1635 MHz |  11GB | 1024MB x 11 | GDDR6  | 352-bit | 616 GB/s
   RTX 2080 S  | TU104-450 | 12nm | 545mm² | 13.6 BT | 3072 CCs  | 192 TMUs | 64 ROPs | 48 SMs | 1815 MHz |   8GB | 1024MB x 8  | GDDR6  | 256-bit | 496 GB/s
   RTX 2080    | TU104-400 | 12nm | 545mm² | 13.6 BT | 2944 CCs  | 184 TMUs | 64 ROPs | 46 SMs | 1710 MHz |   8GB | 1024MB x 8  | GDDR6  | 256-bit | 448 GB/s
   GTX 1080 Ti | GP102-350 | 16nm | 471mm² | 12.0 BT | 3584 CCs  | 224 TMUs | 88 ROPs | 28 SMs | 1582 MHz |  11GB | 1024MB x 11 | GDDR5X | 352-bit | 484 GB/s
   GTX 1080    | GP104-400 | 16nm | 314mm² |  7.2 BT | 2560 CCs  | 160 TMUs | 64 ROPs | 20 SMs | 1733 MHz |   8GB | 1024MB x 8  | GDDR5X | 256-bit | 320 GB/s
   GTX 980 Ti  | GM200-310 | 28nm | 601mm² |  8.0 BT | 2816 CCs  | 172 TMUs | 96 ROPs | 22 SMs | 1076 MHz |   6GB |  512MB x 12 | GDDR5  | 384-bit | 336 GB/s
   GTX 980     | GM204-400 | 28nm | 398mm² |  5.2 BT | 2048 CCs  | 128 TMUs | 64 ROPs | 16 SMs | 1216 MHz |   4GB |  512MB x 8  | GDDR5  | 256-bit | 224 GB/s
   GTX 780 Ti  | GK110-425 | 28nm | 551mm² |  7.1 BT | 2880 CCs  | 240 TMUs | 48 ROPs | 15 SMs |  928 MHz |   3GB |  256MB x 12 | GDDR5  | 384-bit | 336 GB/s
   GTX 780     | GK110-300 | 28nm | 551mm² |  7.1 BT | 2304 CCs  | 192 TMUs | 48 ROPs | 12 SMs |  900 MHz |   3GB |  256MB x 12 | GDDR5  | 384-bit | 288 GB/s
   GTX 680     | GK104-400 | 28nm | 294mm² |  3.5 BT | 1536 CCs  | 128 TMUs | 32 ROPs |  8 SMs | 1058 MHz |   2GB |  256MB x 8  | GDDR5  | 256-bit | 192 GB/s
   GTX 580     | GF110-375 | 40nm | 520mm² |  3.0 BT |  512 CCs  |  64 TMUs | 48 ROPs | 16 SMs |  772 MHz | 1.5GB |  128MB x 12 | GDDR5  | 384-bit | 192 GB/s
   * Can execute twice as many FP32 calculations per clock compared to previous generation, thus marketed as 10496 and 8704 CUDA cores

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   TUF                 | 3 Fan | 2.7  Slot | 300mm | -- Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN 4718017909297 | PN 90YV0FD0-M0NM00   
   TUF OC              | 3 Fan | 2.7  Slot | 300mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN 4718017922814 | PN 90YV0FD1-M0NM00   
   Strix               | 3 Fan | 2.9  Slot | 319mm | 22 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN 4718017908955 | PN 90YV0F90-M0NM00   
   Strix OC            | 3 Fan | 2.9  Slot | 319mm | 22 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN 4718017928618 | PN 90YV0F93-M0NM00   
EVGA
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   XC3                 | 3 Fan | 2.2  Slot | ---mm | 19 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN               | PN 24G-P5-3973-KR
   XC3 Black           | 3 Fan | 2.2  Slot | ---mm | 19 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN               | PN 24G-P5-3973-KR   
   XC3 Ultra           | 3 Fan | 2.2  Slot | ---mm | 19 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN               | PN 24G-P5-3975-KR   
   XC3 Hybrid          | 1 Fan | 2    Slot | ---mm | 19 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN               | PN 
   XC3 Water           | Water | 2    Slot | ---mm | 19 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN               | PN 
   FTW3                | 3 Fan | 2.75 Slot | ---mm | 23 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 24G-P5-3985-KR   
   FTW3 Ultra          | 3 Fan | 2.75 Slot | ---mm | 23 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 24G-P5-3987-KR   
   FTW3 Hybrid         | 1 Fan | 2    Slot | ---mm | 23 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 
   FTW3 Water          | Water | 2    Slot | ---mm | 23 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 
   Kingpin Hybrid      | 1 Fan | 2    Slot | ---mm | 23 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 
   Kingpin Water       | Water | 2    Slot | ---mm | 23 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 
GAINWARD
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   Phoenix             | 3 Fan | 2.7  Slot | 294mm | 19 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN 4710562241976 | PN 471056224-1976   
   Phoenix GS          | 3 Fan | 2.7  Slot | 294mm | 19 Power Stages | 1725 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN 4710562242034 | PN 471056224-2034   
GALAX | KFA2
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   SG                  | 3 Fan | 2.9  Slot | 317mm | 19 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN               | PN 39NSM5MD1GNK   
   EX                  | 3 Fan | 2.9  Slot | 316mm | -- Power Stages | 1740 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 39NXM5MD1JNK   
   EX Pink             | 3 Fan | 2.9  Slot | 316mm | -- Power Stages | 1740 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN
   EX White            | 3 Fan | 2.9  Slot | 316mm | -- Power Stages | 1740 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN
GIGABYTE
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   Eagle OC            | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | ---mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN 4719331307578 | PN GV-N3090EAGLE OC-24GD   
   Gaming OC           | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | ---mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN 4719331307547 | PN GV-N3090GAMING OC-24GD   
   AORUS Master        | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | ---mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN GV-N3090AORUS M-24GD   
   AORUS Xtreme        | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | ---mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN GV-N3090AORUS X-24GD   
INNO3D
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   Gaming X3           | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | ---mm | 19 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN 0835168001558 | PN N30903-246X-1880VA37N   
   iChill X3           | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | ---mm | 19 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN 0835168001541 | PN C30903-246XX-1880VA37   
   iChill X4           | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | ---mm | 19 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN 0835168001534 | PN C30904-246XX-1880VA36   
MSI
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   Ventus 3X           | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | 305mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 
   Ventus 3X OC        | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | 305mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN 4719072762476 | PN V388-002R   
   Gaming Trio         | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | 335mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 
   Gaming X Trio       | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | 335mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN 4719072762506 | PN V388-011R   
NVIDIA
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   Founders Edition    | 2 Fan | 3    Slot | 313mm | 19 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 1x12-Pin | 350/375 W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN   
PALIT
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   GamingPro           | 3 Fan | 2.7  Slot | 294mm | 19 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN               | PN NED3090019SB-132BA   
   GamingPro OC        | 3 Fan | 2.7  Slot | 294mm | 19 Power Stages | 1725 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN               | PN NED3090S19SB-132BA   
PNY
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   XLR8 M              | 3 Fan | 2.7  Slot | 294mm | 19 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN 0751492639536 | PN VCG309024TFXMPB   
   XLR8                | 3 Fan | 2.7  Slot | 294mm | 19 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN 0751492639543 | PN VCG309024TFXPPB   
ZOTAC
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   Trinity             | 3 Fan | 2.5  Slot | 318mm | 19 Power Stages | 1695 MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN 4895173622427 | PN ZT-A30900D-10P   
   Trinity HoLo        | 3 Fan | 2.5  Slot | 318mm | 19 Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 2x8-Pin | 350/375 W | Reference PCB | EAN               | PN 
   AMP Extreme         | 3 Fan | -.-  Slot | ---mm | -- Power Stages | ---- MHz Boost | 3x8-Pin | ---/--- W |    Custom PCB | EAN               | PN 
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Question: How much faster is the RTX 3090 than the RTX 3080?
Answer: We don't yet for sure, but everything points to the 3090 being around 20% faster overall. Both the 3080 and 3090 are based on the GA102 ("8N" custom Samsung process, 627mm² die size). The RTX 3090 features a full fat die with 20.6% more CUDA cores, SMs, TMUs, tensor cores, and RT cores. It also offers 23.2% higher memory bandwidth thanks to its 384-bit memory bus. Target boost clocks are close, but with a slight edge to the 3080. All this amounts to the 90 card being around 20% faster under ideal conditions, but at a 114% higher cost.
Could you include Width as well please?
 

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so Linus posted these slides






very interesting since my 2080ti beats them by 10fps avg, i have mine on an M.2 (corsair mp510)

Yeah something's wrong with their slide as concerns the settings. I just benched my 2080 Ti on this with everything set to maximum @ 4k with Ultra ray tracing and DLSS, and got 46fps average. Maybe they forgot to turn on DLSS? I dunno.
 

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Just pre-ordered a Strix waterblock from EK - not really a fan of their stuff, I find their quality pretty meh compared to Aquacomputer/Watercool, but to see a custom PCB block already made was enough to put an order in.

Now just need to hope they will have Strix 3090's in stock on release, or if not, shortly after.
 

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I found Hardware Unboxed to have the most comprehensive review, they showed that the performance difference between 3080 and 2080 Ti is only 20% at 1440p (30% at 4K) and they showed why this is the cas (27:28 mark, at 4K the portion of the render time per frame is heavier on FP32 shaders than on lower resolutions). They also showed that 8GB of video memory is not enough for 4K.


Also, EKWB has Strix 3080 / 3090 blocks and back-plates up for pre-order. Can anyone confirm whether or not the Strix will be priced at $1800?

Considering I am currently at 3440x1440, which is closer to 2560x1440 than 3840x2160 (25% and 67% difference respectively) and considering that the 3080 is only ~10-15% faster than 2080 Ti when both cards are at the same power draw of 330w. That means I would be looking at maybe a 23% uplift at 3440x1440 with overclocked 2080 Ti at the same power draw? (I believe the 10-15% cited by Steve means that there was a 10% difference at 1440p and a 15% difference at 4K running the 2080 Ti overclocked @ the same power draw of 330w but I could be mistaken).

This means the 3080 is not a viable upgrade path for those of us with 2080 Ti and if the estimated 20% performance uplift of the 3090 is accurate that means that the 3090 may only be ~35% faster at 1440p vs 2080 Ti. For $1500.

The only way that this would make any sense economically is that I also have pre-ordered HP's Reverb G2 whose resolution would see something more like a ~45-50% increase in performance (2160x2160x2) but even then it's still a tough pill to swallow.

For anyone not at 4K with a 2080 Ti I would advise them to save their money. Basically overclocked 2080 Ti is roughly 10% slower than the 3080 at 1440p at the same power draw.

This is Turing all over again, might as well replace the 2080 and 2080 Ti with the 3080 and 3090 if you are a 2080 Ti owner.
 

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Asus RTX 3090 official prices:

Asus TUF RTX 3090 $1499 ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3090 DirectX 12 TUF-RTX3090-24G-GAMING Video Card - Newegg.com

Asus TUF RTX 3090 (Overclocked) $1599 ASUS TUF Gaming GeForce RTX 3090 TUF-RTX3090-O24G-GAMING Video Card - Newegg.com

Asus ROG Strix RTX 3090 (Overclocked) $1799 ASUS ROG Strix GeForce RTX 3090 DirectX 12 ROG-STRIX-RTX3090-O24G-GAMING Video Card - Newegg.com


Update:

$1499 ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3090 Trinity Graphics Card ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 3090 Trinity Graphics Card

$1549 Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3090 EAGLE OC 24G Graphics Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3090 EAGLE OC 24G Graphics Card

$1579 Gigabyte GeForce RTX3090 GAMING OC 24G Graphics Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX3090 GAMING OC 24G Graphics Card

$1842 MSI GeForce RTX 3090 VENTUS 3X 24G Oc Graphic Card MSI GeForce RTX 3090 VENTUS 3X 24G Oc Graphic Card

$1901 MSI GeForce RTX 3090 GAMING X TRIO 24G Graphic Card MSI GeForce RTX 3090 GAMING X TRIO 24G Graphic Card


Regarding the MSI Gaming X Trio card, a leaked benchmark for the 3080 variant of the card showed it scoring 18% higher than the FE 3080. So if that turns out to be true (which we'll know tomorrow) and holds true for the RTX 3090 as well, then it would make sense. I wouldn't expect any less overclocking headroom/performance from the Asus ROG Strix or EVGA FTW3 Ultra though. And if I had to guess, the FTW3 will probably be priced at around $1699, and $1750~ for the Ultra which is the overclocked version.
 
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Uggh, forget it, add the WB and back-plate ($230 before taxes) and I'm looking at:

$1800
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$2030, add 8% sales tax for brings that up to $2200, add shipping, brings that up to around $2240 or so.

So $2240 for a 35% bump in frame-rate on my 3440x1440 ultrawide before the G2 arrives.

Yeah, no thanks. I think I'm going to sit this one out.

$900 for the 2080 Ti XC2 + waterblock was a lot of money for a ~50% increase up and over 1080 Ti.

Another $2200 for another 35-50%, this is insane.

And bear in mind, this is the only upgrade path if you have a 2080 Ti.

How do people cheerlead for this crap?
 

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It's pretty concerning to see 3080 FE cards gain almost nothing going from 320W to 370W power limit. They've got Ampere pushed well past its point of peak efficiency, which is somewhat concerning.

Probably means that to overclock a 3090 in any meaningful way, you're gonna need a 450-500W+ BIOS. Ouch.
The key to unlocking Ampere's performance will be undervolting, which is really only possible under water, this time around.
 
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