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[Official] The Mouse Suggestion Thread


Congrats guys, we've now made the mouse suggestion thread a sticky.

Every day we receive multiple threads where people ask for mouse suggestions. Since these threads come up so often, this thread will act as a hub for suggestions.

This will:
  1. Help buyers get their questions noticed. Many times these individual mouse suggestion threads are ignored because there are so many of them.
  2. Help knowledgeable members give advice in one consolidated location

To prospective buyers, please list the top 1-2 attributes you're looking for in a mouse. Additionally, answer the below questions to the best of your abilities. The more detailed you are, the better we can find a mouse that suits your needs.


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  1. What's your grip style?
  2. What's your sensitivity?
  3. What's your maximum budget?
  4. Do you want additional buttons?
  5. What games do you play?
  6. Do you mind about prediction?
  7. Other relevant information:
    Input anything else you want. Some examples: LOD, ambidextrous shape, weight, wireless, non-braided cord, glossy finish, button activation force, driverless, onboard memory, etc


You can copy the questions into your post from here. (Click to show)Code:
  1. What's your grip style?
  2. What's your sensitivity?
  3. What's your maximum budget?
  4. Do you want additional buttons?
  5. What games do you play?
  6. Do you mind about prediction?
  7. Other relevant information:Input anything else you want. Some examples: LOD, ambidextrous shape, weight, wireless, non-braided cord, glossy finish, button activation force, driverless, onboard memory, etc



Explanations


Grip
Grip style or grip type is the manner with which you hold your mouse. There are three main styles:
  • Claw grip
  • Fingertip grip
  • Palm grip
The grip type allows to choose the shape and weight of the mouse.
Example: fingertip grippers will most likely want small and lightweight mouses.


Sensitivity
Sensitivity represents how fast the mouse cursor moves in relation to the mouse physical movement. For FPS games, sensitivity is commonly defined by distance/360°. Or, more generally, it's defined by low, mid or high (please refer to the link below if you're not sure).
Example: 50cm/360° (to make a full 360° turn, it's needed to move the mouse by 50cm). That's an example of a low sensitivity.

The sensitivity allows to choose the dpi of the mouse and, most importantly, it defines the top speed needed.
Example: low sensitivity players very often hit high speeds; thus, they need a mouse that can support those high speeds without any kind of acceleration or malfunction.

More info: ESR.


Prediction
Prediction (aka Angle Snapping, Drift Control, Correction) helps you to draw straight lines: the mouse tracking corrects (removes) the minor deviations from your line, making it as straight as possible, up to certain threshold, which varies from mouse to mouse (some mouse has more prediction than others). Ideally, a mouse should have the option to turn off the prediction, but there are plenty of mice with inherent prediction that can't be turned off.

Original thread starter hella - merged for simplicity....Arizonian.
 

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Hi hella,

I had a similar thought long time ago. I was thinking in creating a thread entitled something like "Buyers: Read this before opening a thread asking for mouse/mousepad recommendations!" and impose anyone that wants a recommendation to asnwer to some basic questions.

Roughly, something like this:
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[Title]
Buyers: Read this before opening a thread asking for mouse/mousepad recommendations!

[Body]
Before opening a thread [or asking in the dedicated mouse suggestion thread], make sure to answer the following questions:
  1. What's your grip style? [explains what is grip style]
  2. What's your sensitivity? [explains what is and how to determine sensitivity]
  3. Etc
I was just too lazy to implement that, it's good that you had this initiative and created this thread. I think that imposing people to answer at least some basic questions like grip and sensitivity (and ignoring/warning/deleting threads that do not respect that guideline) would help to keep this forum more organized. It's indeed sometimes just a mess of "recommend me a mouse/mousepad" threads.

A great example is this: Looking to buy a laptop? Read this first.
 

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Great thinking Furuya.

The more information you provide on your mouse preferences, the more we can help you. The template provided above would serve as a good sample of your preferences but please feel free to further elaborate on what features you want in a mouse.

Lift-off distance, additional buttons, tracking quality, DPI, what games you play, and any additional information will help us help you.
 

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Another question is if they prefer prediction/angle snapping or not, as I believe that is one of the main determining factors between the G400 and DeathAdder since both track really good.
 

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I like your idea. I opened a suggest me a mouse thread two day ago but I will move it here with Furuya format.

1. What's your grip style?

I'm using a Razer Copperhead now and I'm in between with fingertip and claw grip. My hands are little too.

2. What's your sensitivity?

Using all the 2000dpi of my Razer and feeling that a little bit more wouldn't be bad so high for sure.

3. What's your maximum budget?

Don't have a maximum budget but what I'm looking for is a great and well made mouse for the right price
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4. Do you want additional buttons?

The 7 buttons on my Copperhead were always enough. Maybe something like the sniping button of the R.A.T. will be cool but not really important.

5. What games do you play?

Actually League of Legends a lot, anyway mostly RTS and FPS

6. Do you mind about prediction?

I'm not even sure how much I experienced line prediction in this years. I think that choosing if you want to activate it or not will be good

7. Other relevant information:

Don't want a wireless one and maybe not too heavy, not sure about this one because I'm actually using a light mouse maybe something heavier wouldn't be bad. I actually prefer matt finish on glossy.
 

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Hi! Everyone, I am a newcomer to this forum. Recently, I have been watching this forum and this box for over 3-4 weeks because I am actually having some problems with my Razer Imperator and Steel Series 4HD.

My first mouse was Logitech MX518 which I bought in 2007 and it was dead half year ago. The symptom was the mouse stopped working every minutes or hours and every times I turn the mouse over, the red optical lights turn off and on again. I thought the mouse would want to retire at that time.

After that I bought the Razer Imperator 3.5G (actually I wanted to buy Razer DeathAdder 3.5G but unfortunately the shop where I bought the mouse sold out the Razer DeathAdder so I was so hurry and picked up the Imperator). I made a mistake that I bought Imperator without checking or reading all of the reviews carefully. This Imperator was really a pain in the ass. Look like this mouse has all of the mouse problems such as mouse acceleration, jitter, shaking, lift off issue, axis lock, turn off randomly, what's else ^;.;^ ? I updated the mouse to the newest firmware 1.16 and driver 1.02 but these problems have been wandering around and it was really annoying.

Then I bought SteelSeries 4HD last week and hope that could tackle the mouse problem but you know, it could not. The tracking is still not good and unprecise.

So I decide to buy a new mouse and give this stupid annoying mouse to my brother. At least this mouse is bad quality but using it for normal activities on computer such as Word, Web or something like that is fine.

Next mouse, I trust in you guys. Please help me buy a perfect mouse. Thanks!

1. What's your grip style? Palm grip and Fingertips Grip.

2. What's your sensitivity? Well, I am not sure but my Windows desktop sensitivity is 6 and in game is about below 2 in CSS. I usually use high DPI such as 800-1600.

3. What's your maximum budget? about 100-150$.

4. Do you want additional buttons? Yes about 7-8 buttons are good enough for me.

5. What games do you play? CSS, Warcraft III and sometimes other games such as point and click games.

6. Do you mind about prediction? Maybe, but recently I am learning Photoshop so I think prediction relates to my requirement too. You know but this is not an important matter.

7. Other relevant information:
LOD (don't know what this is?) Maybe lift of distance huh? 2-3 cm I guess. Ambidextrous shape: Right hand mouse and I don't mind to try both hand mouse.
Weight: don't mind about this.
Wireless: I prefer a wire mouse to wireless mouse.
Non-braided cord (don't know what this is?)
Glossy finish: No, I want a rough side mouse to help me use the mouse for a long time without sliding.
Button activation force (don't know about what this is?)
Driverless: driver or not is not really a matter but the mouse must work well without out driver.
onboard memory: Yes

I am paying attention to Logitech G500 and SteelSeries Sensei but Sensei have announced and maybe hasn't sale on my country yet and the price has been still unknown either.

Thank for reading this post and if I made some English mistakes, please forgive me because English is not my native language.
 

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My suggestions:

@Saberfang
  • Spawn

@LoveKnight

Good for palm (can be fingertiped, but this is subjective)
  • Deathadder
  • G400 (has prediction)
Good for fingertip (can be palmed only if you have ultra small hands):
  • Spawn
About the 7th question: you don't need to input everything in the example; you can input anything else you want, including or not including something from the example. Those were just suggestions, I edited it to make that more clear.
 

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Saberfang and loveknight, great posts. You both provided a ton of information that'll help us find what mouse you want. Please dont be afraid to ask followup questions.

Saberfang, I wish I could help you but aside from the Kinzuadder I have no experience with fingertip or claw grip mice. To clarify things, what would be the 1-2 most important features you look for in the mouse?

Loveknight, that's unfortunate you had a bad experience with the MX518. From your description it looks like you had a faulty cable which manifests itself by the mouse randomly turning on and off.

Both mice you have your eye on, the G500 and the Sensei use the Avago Avago 9500 sensor which has unpredictable positive acceleration around 5%.

This unpredictable acceleration ususally doesn't cause a problem for RTS players. However since you play CSS this will affect your aiming. Also, the Avago 9500 sensor does NOT track well on dirty cloth pads so both the G500 and Sensei will be out of the question if you use a cloth pad and don't keep it meticulously clean.

Based on your requirements I would go for the Logitech G400 or the Deathadder Black Edition. With regards to deathadders I would only get the black edition as you stated you don't want a mouse with glossy sides.

Which one works best will depend on your mouse preferences. Here's a quick synopsis of the differences:

The G400 is a better mouse if you like prediction. The G400 is also a better mouse if you need on-the-fly DPI changes. The lift-off distance is lower.

The deathadder black edition is a better mouse if you don't prefer prediction. The deathadder also has a 1-2 second lag for on-the-fly dpi changes and the button is placed below the mouse. The deathadder also has a stronger scroll wheel but lacks horizontal scrolling.

IMO comfortability is a huge factor in a mouse. If you can try holding each mouse in your hand and seeing which one fits you best. I used the MX518/G400 for 5 years and actually switched to the deathadder solely because it fit my hand better as I grew.
 

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Hay everyone, This one is for the R.A.T. 7 (although other mice may be tried)... Sometimes in games like Battlefield I'll on accident hit 'mouse 1' and discharge my weapon, causing undesirable results!!! So, I found that If one was to place a Guitar pic over 'mouse 1'. It sits perfectly and resistance is made by the ends of the pic resting on the 'Mode' key lip and Mouse 3, I now have a "safety" for my mouse button! Depending on what gauge the pic is, it comfortably requires just a tad bit more to click!
 

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I had a logitech performance mx and then bought another logitech g500 for gaming.

I have a relatively small hand so my experience might be different from many other guys.

The only problem I have hand with mx is the weight. it's wireless so needs a aa battery, which is pretty heavy. It's big, too, but that's not a big issue.

When I shifted to g500, it's good in resolution, I think it's 3000dpi or so. I don't like the grip, it's no big deal as before. The adjustable weight system is pretty good though I always keep it as light as possible.

The big problem is the left click key on g500 gives crazy sound, from the first day. It's pretty annoying high pitch sound. I guess I will request rma in a while.

On the other hand, you can adjust lots of params with the given software of g500, which is pretty cool.
 

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to F u r u y á, the DeathAdder my friend said that it usually has double-click issue after few months of using. G400 has the same shape and the cable as MX518 and just looks like hella said that "faulty cable which manifests itself by the mouse randomly turning on and off" so this issue maybe occur in the future too because the cable of MX518 is not good. Furthermore, I really do not like the mouse wheel of the MX518 and G400 because it so easily gets dirty and hard to clean it. It is very hard to clean MX518 when it get dirty. I used to use oil, fuel or even soap to clean MX518 but not good. The dust around it was dirty >.<.

Spawn may be not available in the shops around my house so this mouse I am afraid I have to skip it.

to hella, I am having a SteelSeries 4HD and Razer Mantis Control. The Imperator tracks not so badly on Razer Mantis Control (not perfect but acceptable, about 70-80% accuracy) but not on the 4HD (below 50% I think). Imperator keeps skipping mouse cursor or sometimes it stop at a second when I mouse the mouse slowly on both mousepad but more on 4HD and believe me this is really annoying.

I think about buying a SteelSeries Sensei or G500 because on Youtube I found out a guy who has a Xai and Sensei with 4HD. As he said he uses them without any problem. That is why I hope Sensei and 4HD will work well together. Someone said that Avago Avago 9500 works well on hard-plastic mousepad and could decrease the mouse acceleration below 5% (I have not proven this rumor yet).

Anyway, thank you guys! I will save my budget to buy DeathAdder Black Edition, G500 or Sensei.
 

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Your friend is incorrect on the double clicking issue. Both the deathadder, MX518, G400, and G500 use the same Omron switches. Therefore all these mice are likely to experience the double clicking issue.

If the imperator (which I'm assuming is the 3.5G version) had trouble on your mousepads I would be weary with the deathadder.

Sounds like you know what you want. A little research can help you find exactly what you need. Best of luck buddy!
 

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Originally Posted by hella;15288640
If the imperator (which I'm assuming is the 3.5G version) had trouble on your mousepads I would be weary with the deathadder.
"If the phillips twin eye laser sensor had trouble on your mousepads I would be weary with the S3888 optical sensor?"

Why do you say that?
 

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Good catch derp, I assumed the Imperator 3.5G used the Avago 3888 sensor. This couldn't be farther from the truth.

LoveKnight, don't make the same mistake I did; the Imperator 3.5G uses a different sensor than the Deathadder 3.5G / Black Edition. Based on my own (albeit brief) experiences with the DA 3.5G I haven't noticed any problems on cloth. Additionally I haven't read reports of it either.

The deathadder should be fine for your tracking needs. It, along with the MX518/G400 are my favorite mice.
 

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Zowie mice I love them (perfect tracking), currently using a ec2 ec1 was too big gave the ec1 to my friend he is a palmer and I am claw. I loved my old intellimouse and have owned lazer mice and they stink. I just wish I could go down to 400dpi on the Zowie instead of the 500, but it is
in my opinion the best mouse I have used in a long time. Have logged many of hours of quakelive on this mouse already. Seeing as many get the deathadder, Only deathadder I would recommend would be the 3g not the 3.5g
 

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Zowie mice I love them (perfect tracking), currently using a ec2 ec1 was too big gave the ec1 to my friend he is a palmer and I am claw. I loved my old intellimouse and have owned lazer mice and they stink. I just wish I could go down to 400dpi on the Zowie instead of the 500, but it is
in my opinion the best mouse I have used in a long time. Have logged many of hours of quakelive on this mouse already. Seeing as many get the deathadder, Only deathadder I would recommend would be the 3g not the 3.5g
However it's worth noticing that Zowie mice (EC1, EC2, MiCO) has a bad tracking with high dpi.

That's why I didn't recommend it since the last two questions mentioned high sensitivity.

With Spawn it's the other way around: bad tracking with low dpi.
 

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Originally Posted by F u r u y á;15276725
My suggestions:

@Saberfang
  • Spawn
I read the review linked by Hella of the Spawn and it seems to be a great mouse still there is something I want to know.

First I never bought anything from CM storm so I want to know how good their customers service is? Have you seen any rma regarding the Spawn?

The mouse wheel does look cheap. The review doesn't say anything about it so I guess it works ok but I want to hear more if someone tried it. By looking at all the reply in the review it seems to be great^^

About the low dpi sensor bad tracking some people say they have no issue with that. Have CM storm released a new version of the Spawn to fix the problem or made a new firmware? If yes, there is a way to tell which is the new version by looking at the box?

I know these are a lot of questions but I'm getting really interested in this mouse
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