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I read the review linked by Hella of the Spawn and it seems to be a great mouse still there is something I want to know.

First I never bought anything from CM storm so I want to know how good their customers service is? Have you seen any rma regarding the Spawn?

The mouse wheel does look cheap. The review doesn't say anything about it so I guess it works ok but I want to hear more if someone tried it. By looking at all the reply in the review it seems to be great^^

About the low dpi sensor bad tracking some people say they have no issue with that. Have CM storm released a new version of the Spawn to fix the problem or made a new firmware? If yes, there is a way to tell which is the new version by looking at the box?

I know these are a lot of questions but I'm getting really interested in this mouse
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My customer service was not very good. They didn't reply my ticket.

Scroll wheel is good. Scroll button is OK (a bit hard).

No, it does not have a firmware yet that fix the 800dpi. Actually, the current firmware is the "fix". It was even worse!

If you're not going to use the 800dpi and you use low sensitivity, it's a near perfect mouse for fingertip grip.

You might look forward for the new CM Storm mosue (Xornet). It has the same shape as Spawn but it uses other sensor, which supposedly will fix the low dpi issues and support higher Perfect Control Speeds. Wait for someone to be a test subject before buying it.
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*edit*: they finally replied my ticket . After 3 months.
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Yeah maybe the Xornet will fix the low dpi jitter issue but it will have lower max dpi I don't know when I'll be able to get one here in Italy^^ The Spawn is alredy available in a shop near my city for 35€ and I don't think I'll be using the 800dpi since I'm always using 2000dpi @ 1000Hz on my Copperhead. Still it would be nice if all the sensor setting worked flawlessy.

When the xornet is going to be released anyway?
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1. What's your grip style? Kind of a hybrid between the three kinds of grips .. I'd say the claw grip would be the closest to it.

2. What's your sensitivity? Using 1800dpi on my Deathadder.

3. What's your maximum budget? $100

4. Do you want additional buttons? At least two on the side, more wouldn't hurt but I don't care as long as it has two.

5. What games do you play? Pretty much everything. FPS, MMO, RTS and RPGs are the big ones.

6. Do you mind about prediction? Don't mind.

7. Other relevant information:
Before I start on what I want for a new mouse, I'd like to add that I've been using a Deathadder for about a year but it's been occasionally registering single clicks as double click and has started to require more force on the left mouse button which is why I'm looking for a new mouse. Should I just get another Deathadder? I'm not sure if it's normal for a Deathadder to start having problems after only a year of use, but if it is I'd rather go for something more durable than another one.

Now, on to what I'd like in a new mouse.
- Good build quality, will last a long time of constant use.
- Similar in weight and size as the Deathadder. This one isn't very important, I guess it'd just help me get used to the new mouse faster.
- LEDs are not important, but they're a plus.
 

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1. What's your grip style?

Claw/fingertip. I think mostly the claw grip.

2. What's your sensitivity?

Wouldn't honestly know, always had the most simple mouses one could get.

3. What's your maximum budget?

About 100 euro's is my absolute max. (Say about 130 dollars)

4. Do you want additional buttons?

That would be nice, like the sniping button on the RAT 9 I saw coming by. :3

5. What games do you play?

BFBC2, perhaps BF3 if it comes to steam. L4D(2), TF2, Dragon Age and Brink. Besides gaming I will be doing a lot, a lot and even more Photoshop, so it must work nicely with that too,

6. Do you mind about prediction?

Perhaps, but it must be able to be turned off easily. (I don't tolerate predictions with Photoshop for example.)

7. Other relevant information:

I prefer some laser mouse. Wireless only if it has it's own charge system; I don't want to put loose batteries in them. (You never got enough at home :<)

The scroll must be good, since that is what I will also use a lot.

Drivers must be not-bloat, nor the programs that configure the mouse. I don't want too fancy things there, so I don't want things idling in the system tray to make the mouse work.
 

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1. What's your grip style?

Claw

2. What's your sensitivity?

Play at the highest DPI, mid way on windows.

3. What's your maximum budget?

$100

4. Do you want additional buttons?

Would like at least one side button

5. What games do you play?

FPS's (Battlefield, CoD, etc)

6. Do you mind about prediction?

I'm not even sure I've ever used a mouse with prediction, if it's good for FPS's that's fine, if not then no.

7. Other relevant information:

I use a GLASS mousepad (The Ice Pad I-2), so it would need to work well with that.
 

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1. What's your grip style?
Palm (comfortable fit is so important)

2. What's your sensitivity?
High DPI

3. What's your maximum budget?
150$

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Would be nice but not so important

5. What games do you play?
RPG and FPSs (and may be MMORPGs later)

6. Do you mind about prediction?
What's right for better gaming experience?

7. Other relevant information:
I want the best sensor technology, I mean most accurate (it's laser, right?) and need wireless to feel comfortable. I used to have a MS Sidewinder X8 but it's not good, so many issues I had in games. Just checked about Logitech G700, I'm leaning towards it. Should I pull the trigger on G700? Any experiences with G700?
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Thanks for this thread. I need opinions, I regret buying X8 without research
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Hopefully I will use your valuable opinions here and be happy
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Edit: Oh btw, what mouse pad you recommend to use with X8 and later with the mouse you suggested?
 

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To ErdincIntel.

Because you want the most accurate mouse so I suggest you can choose any DeathAdder versions(DA with no prediction, no jitter,... but you need to be aware that DeathAdder can get double-click issue if you are a hardcore gamer that clicks the mouse at least one thousand clicks a day). You can buy QCK+ for DeathAdder or you can try 4HD. I am sorry I am not good at choosing good at mousepad.

Please do not ever buy any other Razer mice except these mice are Deathadder, Krait, Copperhead because ... you will know the reason if you want to try.

Wireless is not good for gamers because you can feel the delays sometimes so I suggest you should not try a wireless mouse.

If you want a durable mouse I suggest you can try Logitech's products such as G500-G400 or even G900 but these mouse are not accurate 100% because they have prediction and they use Avergo 9500 (well, this is a long story but you can search in this forum to know what members said about this sensor, except that G400 use optical sensor). However, their precision can be about 95% and you can increase the precision by using hard mousepad and laser mice help you use on common surfaces such as table, paper, glass better than optical mice.

According to my knowledge optical helps you track more precision than laser but a laser sensor have more DPI than optical and it can help you use multiple monitors easier than 1 monitor.

If you want a symmetric mouse, you can try Steelseries such as Kinzu, Xai or Sensei but I afraid I have to tell you that these mouse are not 99%-100% accurate when you compare to DeathAdder or Microsoft IE mice.

That is what I know, hope these information can help you buy a good mouse. If I make mistakes, please forgive me. I am still learning this field.
 

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to YelowSloth.

Because most of the games you play are FPS games and you use Photoshop too. So one of the best mice can suit your needs is any Razer DeathAdder verison because this mouse do not have prediction at 3500DPI versions or you can turn on or off at 1800DPI verions. But I have to say that scroll wheel of any DeathAdder version is usually not good at all, the quality is about average or higher than average little bit.

I am afraid to tell you that most of the good laser mice on market usually have prediction so ... you know because you like to have a good scroll wheel you can consider some mice such as SteelSeries or Logitech but most of these mice usually have prediction.

That is all what I know. Hope this post can help you. If I made mistakes, please forgive me because I am still learning in this field.
 

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1. What's your grip style?
Palm

2. What's your sensitivity?
High

3. What's your maximum budget?
80€
4. Do you want additional buttons?
1 or 2 side buttons and a dpi change button so i can change sensitivity on the fly for scoping or rushing

5. What games do you play?
mainly fast paced FPS and some RTS

6. Do you mind about prediction?
prefer all software enhancing turned off.

7. Other relevant information:
simple dark look, nice texture and no flashy lights, and not wireless
 

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1. What's your grip style?

Fingertip and sometimes palm. Mostly fingertip. Hands are big since I play piano. Keep that in mind.

2. What's your sensitivity?

Don't really know.

3. What's your maximum budget?

Don't know. Recommend and I'll look at the price.

4. Do you want additional buttons?

None really but an on the fly DPI changing button would be nice.

5. What games do you play?

None that require a mouse but lots of precision for 3D modelling. May try FPS.

6. Do you mind about prediction?

Yes.

I'm thinking about a Deathadder Black Edition (or Kinzuadder/Kana-adder).
 

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To XiZeL.

Well, prediction function is a function that most of mice company usually do not allow you to turn on or off (I do not know why they do that). One of the mice you can turn on or off this function is Razer DeathAdder 1800DPI by using driver, Deathadder 3500DPI as I know it does not have prediction so you can not turn on or off this function.

Razer mice usually have dark black color but they are usually glossy at the sides of the mice, you can choose DeathAdder 3500DPI Black Edition because it does not have glossy sides and this version does not have led lights either. This version is appropriate for people who have sweat when they use mice for a long time.

One of the other versions is DeathAdder Dragon Age 2. It uses glossy material outside but it does not have led lights.

Mice from Steelseries are XAI and Sensei can let you configure how to set prediction but even when you turn off this function they still have little prediction. I do not know why.

If you want a mouse that do not have prediction at all you can consider DeathAdder as one of the best candidates for you.

If I made mistakes, please forgive me because I am still learning in this field.
 

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Originally Posted by ErdincIntel;15405476
1. What's your grip style?
Palm (comfortable fit is so important)

2. What's your sensitivity?
High DPI

3. What's your maximum budget?
150$

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Would be nice but not so important

5. What games do you play?
RPG and FPSs (and may be MMORPGs later)

6. Do you mind about prediction?
What's right for better gaming experience?

7. Other relevant information:
I want the best sensor technology, I mean most accurate (it's laser, right?) and need wireless to feel comfortable. I used to have a MS Sidewinder X8 but it's not good, so many issues I had in games. Just checked about Logitech G700, I'm leaning towards it. Should I pull the trigger on G700? Any experiences with G700?
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Thanks for this thread. I need opinions, I regret buying X8 without research
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Hopefully I will use your valuable opinions here and be happy
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Byez...

Edit: Oh btw, what mouse pad you recommend to use with X8 and later with the mouse you suggested?
Great post, tons of information bro.

Since accuracy is your MOST important feature by far I would only recommend the deathadder. While there's other great mice out there the deathadder is tried and true and trumps everything in the sensor tracking department.

One problem though, it conflicts with your requirement for a wireless mouse. Unfortunately the wireless mice out there today don't have top-tier tracking. Many report lift-off distance problems and jittering.

If you had to choose, would you have a wired mouse with the BEST tracking or a wireless mouse with decent tracking?
 

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1. What's your grip style?

Fingertip and sometimes palm. Mostly fingertip. Hands are big since I play piano. Keep that in mind.

2. What's your sensitivity?

Don't really know.

3. What's your maximum budget?

Don't know. Recommend and I'll look at the price.

4. Do you want additional buttons?

None really but an on the fly DPI changing button would be nice.

5. What games do you play?

None that require a mouse but lots of precision for 3D modelling. May try FPS.

6. Do you mind about prediction?

Yes.

I'm thinking about a Deathadder Black Edition (or Kinzuadder/Kana-adder).
If you're industrious the kinzuadder is one of my favorite fingertip grip mice. I have 8.5 inch hands and I found it comfortable (well, as comfortable as fingertip mice can get).

Since you're into 3D modeling I would stay away from anything with prediction. All logitech mice, All Avago 9500 mice (Xai, Sensei, G9, RAT series, etc) and I'd stick with your presumptions. Deathadder and kinzuadder are your ways to go.
 

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Guys, I wish I could help you two but claw grip mice are out of my area of expertise. I'll quote their threads so it gets coverage. Anyone, please help these guys if you can:

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1. What's your grip style?

Claw/fingertip. I think mostly the claw grip.

2. What's your sensitivity?

Wouldn't honestly know, always had the most simple mouses one could get.

3. What's your maximum budget?

About 100 euro's is my absolute max. (Say about 130 dollars)

4. Do you want additional buttons?

That would be nice, like the sniping button on the RAT 9 I saw coming by. :3

5. What games do you play?

BFBC2, perhaps BF3 if it comes to steam. L4D(2), TF2, Dragon Age and Brink. Besides gaming I will be doing a lot, a lot and even more Photoshop, so it must work nicely with that too,

6. Do you mind about prediction?

Perhaps, but it must be able to be turned off easily. (I don't tolerate predictions with Photoshop for example.)

7. Other relevant information:

I prefer some laser mouse. Wireless only if it has it's own charge system; I don't want to put loose batteries in them. (You never got enough at home :<)

The scroll must be good, since that is what I will also use a lot.

Drivers must be not-bloat, nor the programs that configure the mouse. I don't want too fancy things there, so I don't want things idling in the system tray to make the mouse work.
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1. What's your grip style?

Claw

2. What's your sensitivity?

Play at the highest DPI, mid way on windows.

3. What's your maximum budget?

$100

4. Do you want additional buttons?

Would like at least one side button

5. What games do you play?

FPS's (Battlefield, CoD, etc)

6. Do you mind about prediction?

I'm not even sure I've ever used a mouse with prediction, if it's good for FPS's that's fine, if not then no.

7. Other relevant information:

I use a GLASS mousepad (The Ice Pad I-2), so it would need to work well with that.
 

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To HybridCore.

Because you play piano and you stated that your hands and fingers are big so you may need a normal or a big mouse and need to avoid a mini or tiny mouse. You do not know about your sensitivity so I suggest you do not need to buy a very high DPI mouse such as over 5600 DPI, stay with about 2000DPI or below is alright I think.

About the price I usually see that laser mice are more expensive than optical mice. If you want to buy a mouse with an appropriate price, you may consider optical mice. In addition, optical mice do not have high DPI as laser mice.

You need a lot of precision for your work such as 3D modelling then you can consider Razer DeathAdder because this mouse looks like one the best mouse on the market now. Appropriate price, many versions that can suit you, no prediction (you can turn on or off this function at 1800DPI version) and many more good functions but unfortunately the durability is always a problem to Razer mice. Look like you can easily get double-click issue after few months or a year, but someone does not get it after 2 or 3 years of using. This problem I think depend on how much time you use your mouse. If you use it for gaming a lot and click it at least 1000 clicks per day then you need to be aware of this issue. But this mouse is not very expensive and double-click issue can fix if you have knowledge about mice and buy equipment to replace it or just return it to Razer support to let them fix it for you.

You stated that you want a Kinzuadder so If you have a chance to buy this mouse, just go ahead. Many people do not like the shape of DeathAdder and I am one of them but unfortunately I do not have a chance to buy KinzuAdder.

If I made mistakes, please forgive me because I am still learning this field.
 

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1. What's your grip style?
It's like claw/fingertip hybrid.

2. What's your sensitivity?
Low.

3. What's your maximum budget?
80€.

4. Do you want additional buttons?
Two side buttons are necessary.

5. What games do you play?
Only Fps-games such as Cs,Cod 4,Bf2...

6. Do you mind about prediction?
Rather no prediction.

7. Other relevant information:
-I would want a mouse with minimum amount of acceleration.
-DPI changeable by one digit. (400,401,402,403..). Not a deal breaker though.
-Wired.

I'm currently using MX-518 because Xai just broke down. I like both of those mice.
I'm currently using Qpad Heaton mousepad and most likely I will use it with new mouse as well.
I've thought that G500 could be a good mouse for me because it has Mx-518's shape and the same sensor as Xai has.

But I hope you can give me some new ideas.
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1. What's your grip style?
palm-fingertip hybrid.Depends on situation really.

2. What's your sensitivity?

Low. according to phoon.us, 44cm/360.

3. What's your maximum budget?

Don't mind spending a lot if a mouse is worth.But don't need unnecessary bling bling like sensei.

4. Do you want additional buttons?

Wouldn't mind if the mouse lacked em'. Don't use the current ones on my mx518 because of weird grip

5. What games do you play?

Precision FPS usually. A bit or RTS here and there. But 90% of the time CS.

6. Do you mind about prediction?

Well the only gaming mouse I have used is mx518... so no idea.

The weird thing about my hand is my fingers are long ( hand is 7.5 inches top to bottom) and my palm is NOT broad ( around 3.25 inches).

I was thinkin about DA:BE and the abyssus.DA is proven and its performance is pretty well recorded.

The thing that struck me about the abyssus is its light weight and i think It might help me since I also can use fingertip grip.The sensors are basically the same. And my aim is the flick type so I guess smaller mouse are better?

Is the jitter issue fixed in the newer ones or the LoL edition? Is it actually that big of a issue while actually in a game?

Need your opinion guys!
 

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To XiZeL.

Well, prediction function is a function that most of mice company usually do not allow you to turn on or off (I do not know why they do that). One of the mice you can turn on or off this function is Razer DeathAdder 1800DPI by using driver, Deathadder 3500DPI as I know it does not have prediction so you can not turn on or off this function.

Razer mice usually have dark black color but they are usually glossy at the sides of the mice, you can choose DeathAdder 35000DPI Black Edition because it does not have glossy sides and this version does not have led lights either. This version is appropriate for people who have sweat when they use mice for a long time.

One of the other versions is DeathAdder Dragon Age 2. It uses glossy material outside but it does not have led lights.

Mice from Steelseries are XAI and Sensei can let you configure how to set prediction but even when you turn off this function they still have little prediction. I do not know why.

If you want a mouse that do not have prediction at all you can consider DeathAdder as one of the best candidates for you.

If I made mistakes, please forgive me because I am still learning in this field.
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DeathAdder 35000DPI Black Edition

You have seen the future there my friend...

XiZeL:

You pretty much described the Logitech G400 - wired, elegant, no flashy stuff, perfect tracking, decent LOD, good side buttons, DPI switching buttons (DA only has a profile switching button on the bottom of the mouse) - except with the prediction part. However I can tell you, that even though I only used mice without prediction before (WMO, DeathAdder, Abyssus and CM Spawn for a short time) I can't really notice it with the G400.
 
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