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I'm a windows geek. I game on windows. I'm learning all sorts of awesome technical shizzle at work, a lot of which is on UNIX. I now work with Linux geeks (although working on windows still). Therefore, I need Linux.

Could you kind gents please furnish me with the following:

A recommendation on which version/type of Linux to get. I like it flashy and utile - I have HUD.Vision configured on this with an active Vista sidebar. I like to know what's going on, how much space my drives have and generally what the haps are.

A guide on dual booting (using a currently unused and uninstalled 120GB spare drive I've got lying around)

A brief guide to booting from USB, if one is available? I have an 8GB pen drive going begging and this could be amusing.

Muchas love to any who help!

EDIT: I also have a multimedia drive which I keep all me films/photos on. Ideally I'd like to be able to access this content on both operating systems - will this be a problem?
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Well, pretty much with any distro, you will be able to find system monitoring tools that tell you everything that you want to need. Which packages these are kinda depends on your desktop environment.

The vast majority of users are probably going to tell you to use Mint or Ubuntu....i personally wouldn't wish that on anyone. I absolutely abhor Ubuntu, and, vis-a-vis, Mint. I'm a Gentoo Guy, but I wouldn't recommend that to a beginner. Compiling everything from source the first time is a great way to scare people away. For a die-hard windows user, i would recommend KDE as your Desktop Environment, not only for its similarities to the Windows GUI but because you can learn alot about the guts of a linux system by mucking around with KDE. I guess a good beginners distro would be Fedora 10 if you want a fancy pantsy Graphical installation tool (or maybe OpenSuSe, but I really don;t like them personally). Anoter option (and a little more scary for a beginner) is Slackware with its completely console-based install. it really gives you a good base without allowing much latitude for you to completely screw everything over.

or dual booting, always install your Microsoft OS first. If not, windows will treat the Linux distros like red-headded stepchildren and not only completely ignore them, but try to beat the filesystems in the head with an ugly stick.

Determine what partitioning scheme you want to use, and install your first distro with a live cd that has a graphical partitioning tool (the Fedora 10 tool is very nice and intuitive). Split them up according to how big you want them to be (with a 160GB, I would personally use 4x 40GB). Don't make your swap partition too large, you have plenty of RAM IMHO (512mb of swap per distro should be more than enough). After you install your first *nix, you can install the rest of them with their various LiveCDs or what have you.

As far as using a pensrive. There's a ton of tutorials out there that explain it, and due to the length of the process, I really don't want to have to type out all that code. I hate to sound crass, but google is your friend my friend. Every distribution, if it can be run from a pendrive, will have a tutorial on their site on how to do it.

As for the multimedia drive, use FAT as your filesystem. Linux doesn't play nice with NTFS.
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Originally Posted by HardwaterH4ck3r View Post

As for the multimedia drive, use FAT as your filesystem. Linux doesn't play nice with NTFS.
Not true, I've never had a problem getting to my NTFS-formatted storage drive from Linux.
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Not true, I've never had a problem getting to my NTFS-formatted storage drive from Linux.
Really, I've never tried it, I was under the impression, however, that Linux doesn't work right with NTFS.
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Mmm.

OK, I'm not comfortable with CLI installs. That seems overzealous. I would need a GUI install.

That leaves... what? KDE? Is KDE a distro or just a GUI for a distro of my choice?

Yeah, that funny smell is the smell of a nub. Careful though - it's contagious
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Ubuntu, or it's derivatives (eg. Mint)

Try anything else and you will rage quit. I've tried every other major distro and its the only one that actually works as intended. Literally.

When Canonical releases a new version they make sure it is quality, and 99% working as intended, unlike most other developers that will just release a distro and then promise that they will fix problems as they come.

Edit: KDE is a desktop environment. The Windows equivalent I guess would be Aero and Explorer. KDE is more windows like, but its also full of bugs. Based on my experience with KDE 3.5 and KDE 4 I would recommend you stick to Gnome. Its not quite as open as KDE but it works better.
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Really, I've never tried it, I was under the impression, however, that Linux doesn't work right with NTFS.

NTFS-3G has been stable for quite a while and it's available in virtually every single distro I have tried. You probably won't even need to know it's there as most distros do everything for you, mounting your NTFS drives and providing read/write access.

http://www.ntfs-3g.org/
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NTFS-3G has been stable for ages and it's available in virtually every single distro I have tried.

http://www.ntfs-3g.org/

Yup. Every distro I've tried has the ntfs-3g command. Of course, it rarely ever works properly. You can't just mount an NTFS partition as you would in Windows. Linux will almost always detect that it "hasn't been shutdown properly" so you have to force it to mount through the command line. :/
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NTFS-3G has been stable for ages and it's available in virtually every single distro I have tried.

http://www.ntfs-3g.org/

Wow, that shows you how long it's been since I've tried (or needed to try)..

At any rate, KDE is a Desktop Environment. I would recommend Fedora.

I've had nothing but problems with Ubuntu, and Ubuntu seems to have the same problems with entropy as a Microsoft OS. It's the only distor that I have ever noticed getting slower over time...

I used Gentoo for over three years on a system and it ran as fast the day the PSU died as the day I installed it.

I had ubuntu on a laptop for 6 months and the wireless stopped working, it started taking 7 minutes to boot, firefox would lock up....I got rid of ubuntu and installed Fedora (I think it was 9 at the time) and It has ran soothly for nearly a year, jsut like it did the day I installed it.

Just my
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I just made a guide about dual booting Ubuntu and Vista, the link is in my sig.


And go to pendrivelinux.com if you want to put linux on your thumb drive. I put Linux Mint 6 on my 4GB drive, it has a long boot time, but once it boots you won't notice much of a difference.
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Wow, that shows you how long it's been since I've tried (or needed to try)..

At any rate, KDE is a Desktop Environment. I would recommend Fedora.

I've had nothing but problems with Ubuntu, and Ubuntu seems to have the same problems with entropy as a Microsoft OS. It's the only distor that I have ever noticed getting slower over time...

I used Gentoo for over three years on a system and it ran as fast the day the PSU died as the day I installed it.

I had ubuntu on a laptop for 6 months and the wireless stopped working, it started taking 7 minutes to boot, firefox would lock up....I got rid of ubuntu and installed Fedora (I think it was 9 at the time) and It has ran soothly for nearly a year, jsut like it did the day I installed it.

Just my


That's strange because I have NEVER gotten a Fedora installation to work correctly. On the 7 or 8 machines that I've tried I just never could get it to work...
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I recommend KDE. Go with Mandriva 2009, PCLOS 2009, or Fedora 10 (KDE edition). All of them have GUI installs and all are very easy to install.

As for a flash drive install, go here for info.. Some distros have an automatic flash drive utility that does it for you. Some you have to do it manually.

Dual booting is easy. I recommend installing Windows to the drive FIRST. Then install linux second. The Linux bootloader will automatically detect your Windows partition at boot time and you can select between them.
Hmm. I already have Vista installed happily on a 250GB drive, with loads of apps and about 2 years worth of misc software and games on.

I do have another 250GB drive lying around - I assume it'd be safe enough to install Linux on the second drive?
Dreamlinux has a gui pen-drive install, and their distro is pretty sweet, and its based of debian.

or,

Mint, which is based off ubuntu, which is also based off debian
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Not true, I've never had a problem getting to my NTFS-formatted storage drive from Linux.
Me either.....
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Originally Posted by HardwaterH4ck3r View Post
It's the only distor that I have ever noticed getting slower over time...
While I can vouch for it getting slower over time (as proven by benchmarks, courtesy of phoronix) its remains the only decent distro that has corporate support. I've never liked SUSE(openSUSE included) or Red Hat
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I'm not so sure about Fedora - it's RPM based, and I think a beginner would benefit from a Debian-based distro. I'd have to recommend Kubuntu based on that, or Debian KDE itself
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I'm not so sure about Fedora - it's RPM based, and I think a beginner would benefit from a Debian-based distro. I'd have to recommend Kubuntu based on that, or Debian KDE itself

There's no difference in RPM and Deb where a beginner is concerned. They are both just binary packages.
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The only difference is the community support - and that is greater for deb packages (thanks to Ubuntu)
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