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Hey guys, I'm in a pickle. I happen to notice alot of people using Opteron Server processors, and some of them look like gamers. Anyway, I just upgraded to 939 stuff and I'm looking to go Dual Core pretty soon, and I like the fact that the Opty 165 has 2MB of L2 Cache, while the X2 3800+ has 1MB L2. I need to know what you guys think, Athlon X2 or Opteron for a budget gamer. Oh, before I forget, no one try to attempt to talk me into a socket 940 board, or AM2, I have negative feelings for both due to the fact that AM2's speed is slightly dictated by RAM products, unless they're suited for the board, it'll slow down everything, and 940 never took off, and I just got 939 stuff. Ive heard a few people say that the Athlon 64 X2 has a better architecture, but where's the proof? Thanks in advance for the responses.<br />
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athlon 64 + opteron = EXACT SAME THING!<br />
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ahahaa. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's the truth. the 939 opterons are just athlons with a different name.<br />
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well its really 2x512 for the x2 3800+ heh. but heres the plan, im sticking with my 3700+ until christmas and prices will drop once quad core show up =) but yes opterons are good at games too. they're made for computers that stay on 24/7 so of course they're good. but if you dont have a budget, get the opty.
 

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Mine runs great!.<br />
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But MEM+GPU+PSU are more important factors of a gaming rig.
 

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I have my 165 rig that runs like a dream and another 146 opty for gaming at my office.
 

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he's adding on to what he has, isn't he?
 

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Just get an Opteron and hope you get a good stepping to Overclock...I got 165 that does 3ghz...on air..So, maybe you'll be lucky
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">athlon 64 + opteron = EXACT SAME THING!<br />
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ahahaa. Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's the truth. the 939 opterons are just athlons with a different name.<br />
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opty 165's are great, they overclock like crazy if you get a great stepping<br />
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if possible, go conroe - the performance gap is quite large <img src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumb" class="inlineimg" />
 

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Thanks man, I'll go with Opteron then, they're more stable and bring more L2 than the equivalent X2. Oh, and I'll never go Intel again, AMD has more interest in making games look good, instead of pure number crunching, that's what Intel's problem seems to be, to much time focused on speed, and not on quality.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">100% True. <img src="/images/smilies/cool.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Cool" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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How does amd make games look better??! The processors job IS crunching numbers, and the C2D series is the best right now and will be for a while. <img src="/images/smilies/gunner2.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Gunner2" class="inlineimg" /> <img src="/images/smilies/grouphug.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Grouphug" class="inlineimg" /></div>

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</div>Woohoo, I got backups! lol
 

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My bad guys, I was bashing Intel's Ray Tracing while talking to my friend and it got mixed in the text, AMD focuses on what's important, instructions per cycle, so basically, a 1.8Ghz AMD Athlon 64 can out perform an Intel P4 3.0Ghz. that's all, better for games, no matter what intel will do, AMD will counter it. Just Wait, and AMD will continue to put Intel in it's place <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /> . Conroe will fase out quickly with K8-2 on the way!!!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">My bad guys, I was bashing Intel's Ray Tracing while talking to my friend and it got mixed in the text, AMD focuses on what's important, instructions per cycle, so basically, a 1.8Ghz AMD Athlon 64 can out perform an Intel P4 3.0Ghz. that's all, better for games, no matter what intel will do, AMD will counter it. Just Wait, and AMD will continue to put Intel in it's place <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /> . Conroe will fase out quickly with K8-2 on the way!!!</div>

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</div>Currently, A64's do 9 ops per cycle. C2D's do 12. So AMD currently has their pants around their ankles in this race. In addition, Intel is ahead in the quad-core market as Kentsfield (Core 2 Quadro) comes out in a few weeks. AMD has done nothing to counter C2D or C2Q yet but come up with the makeshift 4x4 solution because they can't fit 4 CPU's onto a 90nm die like Intel was able to with the 65nm "Kentsfield".<br />
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In addition, it will be mid-2007 before AMD has a working 65nm chip, and by then, Intel should be on track for a 45nm transition in 2008, with another switch to 32nm in 2010-2011. <br />
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If that doesn't persuade you that Intel has got it's **** together and is ahead of the game, then I'm not sure what will. Currently an Intel Core2 E6300 @ 1.86Ghz performs as well as a 2.8Ghz A64 X2. And don't forget, the mid-range E6600 that is only $317 is neck and neck with the FX-62.<br />
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The C2D is tried and true and at the moment leads the pack, with only more and more strength to come from Intel. AMD NEEDS to get their 65nm processing on track because the 4x4 platform is just a ghetto-rigged temporary retalliation, it won't last long.<br />
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Bottom line: AMD needs to get in gear or we are all screwed and will fall doom to an Intel monopoly on the CPU market. <br />
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<b>BTW, sorry for my rant. AMD is in my prayers right now to pull out a miracle, but it better come quick.</b>
 

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The opty's are pretty good as they all have 1mb of L2 cache, and they are usually made from a better wafer and some even do come from the FX series wafer. I have mine at 2.9ghz on air without even raising my voltage, my 3200 couldnt even dream of this on air.<br />
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Okay, I'm not getting this chip for awhile yet, but I'm curious, what's the Opteron 165's rated speed, I assume it's not 1.8ghz, that's what Newegg said my single core 3000+ was, but it runs Oblivion like a dream. I'm guessing it's around 4.2Ghz (or 4200+ for people who want it measured AMD style). Every comparison of the Opteron 165 at stock was always pared with a X2 4200+.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Okay, I'm not getting this chip for awhile yet, but I'm curious, what's the Opteron 165's rated speed, I assume it's not 1.8ghz, that's what Newegg said my single core 3000+ was, but it runs Oblivion like a dream. I'm guessing it's around 4.2Ghz (or 4200+ for people who want it measured AMD style). Every comparison of the Opteron 165 at stock was always pared with a X2 4200+.</div>

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However, it can OC like a mutha. Usually very easy to get 2.6-3.0.
 

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The AMDs 65nu aren't so far off and the 45nu CPU are projected for mid 07. <br />
The Intel fan boyism in here is geting rather repulsive!<br />
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The 165 should do you well in your current system <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
 

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I for one would go with the Opteron. <br />
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Now, on another note.... AMD WILL not dry up and only leave intel. It's not going to happen. Also, He was asking about which 939 CPU to get. He wasn't looking for a flame war and for people to tell him to get a C2D rig. I admit that Intel makes the best CPU right now but that doesn't mean that people who still have AMD have crappy rigs. IE..... the Opteron 165 is a damn fast proc with huge OC'ing potential. It may not be as fast as a C2d but that doesn't mean it's slow. So do us all a favor, please just answer the post and not try to make people see it your way. <img src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Thumb" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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Edit: BTW, don't forget that it took Intel almost 5 years to get back on top as that's the age of most of the procs for 754/939 are. AMD has plenty of time.
 

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I answered his question before...Just get the 165, it's a GREAT processor for the money, for your rig. That is, if you still want it. It's a reliable CPU. Depending on your stepping that you get, you have the potential to hit 3Ghz on air (I have). Anywho, it's up to you, and if you don't think 140 for an Opteron 165 is a helluva steal, then, so be it. For the price, it's a helluva good deal.
 

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delete please - double post mishap
 
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