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<p style="margin-bottom:8px;">Earlier this week, the team behind Ashes of the Singularity released an updated version of its early access game, which updated its features and capabilities. With support for DirectX 11 and DirectX 12, and adding in multiple graphics card support, the game featured a benchmark mode that got quite a lot of attention. We saw stories based on that software posted by <a href="http://www.anandtech.com/show/10067/ashes-of-the-singularity-revisited-beta" style="color:rgb(33,52,74);" target="_blank">Anandtech</a>, <a href="http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/ashes-of-singularity-directx-12-benchmark-ii-review,12.html" style="color:rgb(33,52,74);" target="_blank">Guru3D</a> and<a href="http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/223567-amd-clobbers-nvidia-in-updated-ashes-of-the-singularity-directx-12-benchmark" style="color:rgb(33,52,74);" target="_blank">ExtremeTech</a>, all of which had varying views on the advantages of one GPU or another.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:8px;">That isn’t the focus of my editorial here today, though.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:8px;">Shortly after the initial release, a <a href="http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/223654-instrument-error-amd-fcat-and-ashes-of-the-singularity" style="color:rgb(33,52,74);" target="_blank">discussion began around results from the Guru3D</a> story that measured frame time consistency and smoothness with FCAT, a capture based testing methodology much like the Frame Rating process we have here at PC Perspective. In that post on ExtremeTech, Joel Hruska claims that the results and conclusion from Guru3D are wrong because the FCAT capture methods make assumptions on the output matching what the user experience <em>feels like</em>.  Maybe everyone is wrong?</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:8px;">First a bit of background: I have been working with Oxide and the Ashes of the Singularity benchmark for a couple of weeks, hoping to get a story that I was happy with and felt was complete, before having to head out the door to Barcelona for the Mobile World Congress. That didn’t happen – such is life with an 8-month old. But, in my time with the benchmark, I found a couple of things that were very interesting, even concerning, that I was working through with the developers.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:8px;">First, the initial implementation of the FCAT overlay, which Oxide should be PRAISED for including since we don’t have and likely won’t have a DX12 universal variant of, was implemented incorrectly, with duplication of color swatches that made the results from capture-based testing inaccurate. I don’t know if Guru3D used that version to do its FCAT testing, but I was able to get some updated EXEs of the game through the developer in order to the overlay working correctly. Once that was corrected, I found yet another problem: an issue of frame presentation order on NVIDIA GPUs that likely has to do with asynchronous shaders. Whether that issue is on the NVIDIA driver side or the game engine side is still being investigated by Oxide, but it’s interesting to note that <em>this problem couldn’t have been found without a proper FCAT implementation</em>.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom:8px;">With all of that under the bridge, I set out to benchmark this latest version of Ashes and DX12 to measure performance across a range of AMD and NVIDIA hardware. The data showed some abnormalities, though. Some results just didn’t make sense in the context of what I was seeing in the game and what the overlay results were indicating. It appeared that Vsync (vertical sync) was working differently than I had seen with any other game on the PC.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.pcper.com/reviews/General-Tech/PC-Gaming-Shakeup-Ashes-Singularity-DX12-and-Microsoft-Store" target="_blank">SOURCE</a></p>
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<p>TL:DR - <strong>ALL </strong>games that use DirectX 12 are launched inside a sandbox, the OS handles a lot of the composition, and it's capped at 60Hz with V-Sync enabled regardless of whether you have 144Hz and VRR or not. </p>
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<p>Edit: <strong>A SHORT HISTORY LESSON</strong></p>
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<p>Back in the day when BF4 launched on Xbox One, DICE talked about how they had to design the game around the way the Xbox One did things. They had different resolutions for the game and the UI, which also refreshed at different rates, V-Sync was always on, and the game was "effectively in a sandbox", which we have now come to understand actually means that it's launched in its own virtual instance. </p>
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<p>DICE said that some of these features would probably find their way back into DirectX 12. Microsoft at the time also said that the only way they could see Xbox games on the PC was if the environments were the same. </p>
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<p>Cue GDC 2014. </p>
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<p><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2721998/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2721998" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2721998/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL" style="; width: 500px; height: 285px"></a></p>
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<p>This was Microsoft's first open discussion about DirectX 12, and the first time they ever talked about its features. Two lines stand out now that we know how they affected the Ashes benchmarks - "console execution environment" and "conformance and consistency". Microsoft planned all along to make games run this way, despite knowing in advance about technologies like variable refresh rate monitors, super resolution, and VR.</p>
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<p>None of those things will be possible in a DX12 game sold inside or outside of the store without some serious workarounds or working with Microsoft to implement them into the OS, and Microsoft doesn't care either way. They have games on their store being sold, they have Hololens ready to serve Windows 10 gamers, so from their perspective, they're all set.</p>
 
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What an interesting discussion he is bringing to the table. I guess no one really knows much WDDM 2.0 will change games and peripherals. Nvidia could be in some serious trouble, they could be force to open something technologies up if MS puts the hammer down on them.
 

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I think this clearly shows us why Valve thought it necessary to invest a lot of money to make SteamOS a reality and also why they are so heavily involved with Vulkan.
 

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this will pretty much suck for everybody except M$.<br>
it benefits no one no matter what hardware or software you use.<br><br>
well I guess maybe this will sell more fishing licenses
 

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Ugh. At this point I would like to see everyone abandon MS and see Vulkan and Linux become a serious alternative.
 

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Microsoft has completely lost the plot for PC gaming.<br><br>
Just completely nukes competitive graphics enthusiasts from orbit.<br><br>
"Do you go 60? Awesome. I go 60 too. SWEET!"
 

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i get accused of being an MS/Win10 basher enough as it is so . . . . . . no comment.
 

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first of all, let me get this out of the way, the M$ store will become the walled garden the App Store is for apple. that's the endgame.<br><br><br>
Now on to something else. I've found games jump around a lot like they used to when in SLi or xfire, back before we had FCAT to tell us frame pacing was the issue, only FCAT claiming nothing is wrong on my nvidia gtx970 gpu. Pretty badly jump around in some titles. yet no frame pacing issues recorded in FCAT.<br><br>
I think user experience is STILL being ignored in place of a very flawed metric.
 

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Well it looks like DX12 just fell on its face. <img alt="doh.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/doh.gif"> The true colors of M$ come out.<br><br>
I suppose there is the smallest chance the backlash causes change as it did with Xbone.<br><br>
I have to install a spyware OS to use a game in a "sandbox" to be limited to 60fps WITH V-sync? No thanks. I will take my silky smooth 144fps and stay on DX11.
 

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I must be stupid because I am not getting the concern here... Is MS trying to make DirectX an MS Store-only feature or what?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>MonarchX</strong> <a href="/t/1593034/pcper-pc-gaming-shakeup-ashes-of-the-singularity-dx12-and-the-microsoft-store/10#post_24945777"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif"></a><br><br>
I must be stupid because I am not getting the concern here... Is MS trying to make DirectX an MS Store-only feature or what?</div>
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Well have fun being locked to 60fps with forced V-sync.<br><br>
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<ol class="bbcode_list"><li>No SLI/Crossfire,</li>
<li>Windows 10 store download is buggy,</li>
<li>No refund policy explained,</li>
<li>Vsync is always on,</li>
<li>Always borderless fullscreen,</li>
<li>Game files are protected,</li>
<li>Can't launch it via the exe (So adding it as a non steam game will not work)</li>
<li>No fps/hardware monitor software works with it,</li>
<li>You need to take control of the folder as admin if you want access to the files</li>
<li>Mouse software which lets you create custom binds for each game doesn't work</li>
<li>Say bye to using sweetfx and mods</li>
<li>Since no fps/hardware monitor software works, this means overlays meaning no Steam Controller since you can't use Big Picture Mode</li>
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<br><a class="bbcode_url" href="https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/45tqqy/quantum_break_and_why_windows_store_exclusives/t1_d0030be" target="_blank">Source from the OP Source</a><br><br>
So if every DX12 game is locked to the windows store app then we are screwed.
 

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This has nothing to do with the store. This is about DirectX 12.<br><br>
The tests were performed on AotS, which is not a Microsoft Store property. It just so happens that the store is MS' vision for game distribution, so DX12 and its origins in the XBox One figures heavily into that.<br><br>
But the 0/30/60fps lockdown occurs in DX12 regardless of your Vsync settings (more specifically, if Vsync is off, it's capped to your monitor refresh rate, and WDDM drops all other frames internally). I have to think like XB1 digital distribution, this will be "fixed" eventually from the outcry.<br><div class="quote-container"><span>Quote:</span>
<div class="quote-block">Even though Ashes of the Singularity is not a Windows Store application, the behavior we are seeing is part of the push that Microsoft is making to sell games through that store with a unified platform. The debate of app store based games versus free standing and open gaming has been a debate in the community since MS first starting discussing it – we just happen to have a real-world implication of it in front of us today.</div>
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By the way, just how does this impact Freesync and Gsync if the only FCAT-measured rates are 0/30/60?
 

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inb4 no FPS info for the next 5 years
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>GoLDii3</strong> <a href="/t/1593034/pcper-pc-gaming-shakeup-ashes-of-the-singularity-dx12-and-the-microsoft-store/10#post_24945832"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif"></a><br><br>
inb4 no FPS info for the next 5 years</div>
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Why do you even need FPS info, anyway? Just play and enjoy the damned game!
 

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If true, this'll put a heck of a damper on DX12.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>ToTheSun!</strong> <a href="/t/1593034/pcper-pc-gaming-shakeup-ashes-of-the-singularity-dx12-and-the-microsoft-store/10#post_24945868"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif"></a><br><br>
Why do you even need FPS info, anyway? Just play and enjoy the damned game!</div>
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Are you serious?.......maybe you should head over to GameInformer.com
 

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<a href="http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7578/dx12-benched-fury-cf-vs-titan-sli-ashes-singularity/index3.html" target="_blank">http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7578/dx12-benched-fury-cf-vs-titan-sli-ashes-singularity/index3.html</a><br><br>
Not sure if the article is true. But tweaktown benchmarks do show that SLI/CF works in AoS and it can scale above 60fps.
 

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But I believe something will be done to address the 60fps issue. Cause I remember see that VR runs at 90fps (right?). So, if DX12 is limited to only 60fps, then how is VR going to work?<br><br>
However, having said that, I also have to highlight that not everyone games with a 144Hz monitor or G sync/Free Sync monitor. Vast majority of the monitors sold today are still vanilla 60Hz panels. Gaming monitors takes up a very small market segment only. Maybe thats why MS feel 60Hz is enough?
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>escksu</strong> <a href="/t/1593034/pcper-pc-gaming-shakeup-ashes-of-the-singularity-dx12-and-the-microsoft-store#post_24945932"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif"></a><br><br>
<a href="http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7578/dx12-benched-fury-cf-vs-titan-sli-ashes-singularity/index3.html" target="_blank">http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/7578/dx12-benched-fury-cf-vs-titan-sli-ashes-singularity/index3.html</a><br><br>
Not sure if the article is true. But tweaktown benchmarks do show that SLI/CF works in AoS and it can scale above 60fps.</div>
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According to the article, the game can render above 60FPS, but only 60 FPS are actually displayed and the others are just dropped. At least on the AMD side, Nvidia and Intel don't exhibit the same behavior, so seems like something AMD could fix with a driver/patch.
 
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