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The upcoming Trinity processors bring quite a few enhancements to the table, foremost of which is a revamped CPU part that ditches the old Phenom II processor cores in favor of updated Piledriver architecture CPU modules. The move to the Piledriver x86 cores promises an increase in IPC, leakage reduction, CAC reduction, and increased clockspeeds according to the leaked slides, but the most important change is the increased performance per clock numbers. The Trinity APUs are set to replace the A8-or performance series of-Llano APUs with quad core Trinity processors that utilize two Piledriver modules that each share 2MB cache for 4MB of total L2 cache. In that respect, Trinity will be similar to Llano in that it does not employ any L3 cache that is shared between the CPU and GPU cores. Interestingly, that may mean that using higher clocked RAM can improve performance on Trinity just as it did with Llano. If true, that would make Trinity's improved DDR3 support-up to DDR3 2133MHz- all the better. On the GPU side of things, Trinity moves to a "Northern Islands" VLIW4 architecture with up to 384 stream processing units. Although the GPU area is physically smaller, it is said to be more efficient than the GPU cores in Llano APUs. The new GPU core is DirectX 11 and OpenCL 1.1 compliant. Also, it includes an updated hardware tessellator engine and hardware encoding unit (AMD Accelerated Video Converter).
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Can't wait till the 15th to see how they stack up. Hopefully AMD gives Intel some competition in the mainstream market this generation.
 

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It's getting to be about time for me to buy a proper laptop (I will be traveling a good bit for work next year) and I'm really looking forward to what Trinity has to offer. It would be nice to do some light duty gaming in the hotel.
 

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does anyone know the scaling with AMD's APUs? Notebookcheck always shows that there is no improvement while technically, given their desktop counter-parts, they should be performing quite ridiculously awesome...
 

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Mike, are you convinced that it's VLIW4 now or is that still a conspiracy and it's GCN? Even though it says right there....
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Mike, are you convinced that it's VLIW4 now or is that still a conspiracy and it's GCN? Even though it says right there....
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You can compare the VLIW4 specs, and the specs stated in the gpu slide. I haven't checked myself though.
 

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does anyone know the scaling with AMD's APUs? Notebookcheck always shows that there is no improvement while technically, given their desktop counter-parts, they should be performing quite ridiculously awesome...
I don't remember notebookcheck ever reviewing Trinity yet. Not sure what you're talking about.
 

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Mike, are you convinced that it's VLIW4 now or is that still a conspiracy and it's GCN? Even though it says right there....
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Funny thing... GCN and the VLIW4 on Trinity look quite similar. It was really damn hard to find a VLIW4 shot to compare Trinity with, so I concluded that it was GCN. But, I was wrong.

This is the only shot of VLIW4 (prior to Trinity) I can find out there, and it looks way different:

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Probably censored, or is actually a recycled photo of VLIW5. I'm guessing the latter.

I'm kind of wondering if I should hold off until Kaveri now... 28nm, Steamroller and GCN... going to be killer.
 

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Funny thing... GCN and the VLIW4 on Trinity look quite similar. It was really damn hard to find a VLIW4 shot to compare Trinity with, so I concluded that it was GCN. But, I was wrong.
Probably censored, or is actually a recycled photo of VLIW5. I'm guessing the latter.
I'm kind of wondering if I should hold off until Kaveri now... 28nm, Steamroller and GCN... going to be killer.
From AMD standpoint, they want to use mature platform from desktop GPU. It makes very little sense to use GCN on Trinity. They would be rushing Trinity if they do.
 

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From AMD standpoint, they want to use mature platform from desktop GPU. It makes very little sense to use GCN on Trinity. They would be rushing Trinity if they do.
I know why they didn't do it. I was just comparing die shots, and well, it definitely wasn't VLIW5. There were shots of GCN floating around, and it looked similar to GCN, except the units were rearranged a bit. Given that there aren't any good shots of VLIW4 to compare Trinity with, I went with the guess that it was GCN.
 

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Funny thing... GCN and the VLIW4 on Trinity look quite similar. It was really damn hard to find a VLIW4 shot to compare Trinity with, so I concluded that it was GCN. But, I was wrong.
This is the only shot of VLIW4 (prior to Trinity) I can find out there, and it looks way different:
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Probably censored, or is actually a recycled photo of VLIW5. I'm guessing the latter.
I'm kind of wondering if I should hold off until Kaveri now... 28nm, Steamroller and GCN... going to be killer.
After the nightmare that was Bulldozer I've got little faith on the upcoming architectures that are based on it. Their graphics technology on the other hand seems to be coming along nicely.
 

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After the nightmare that was Bulldozer I've got little faith on the upcoming architectures that are based on it. Their graphics technology on the other hand seems to be coming along nicely.
This. I'm sure GPU performance relative to low-end discrete will be fine but I'm still not going to be convinced on the CPU side til we see some numbers. Hopefully PD really does bring IPC at least in line with Phenom 2. In fact hopefully they are able to get it up into first gen core i7 territory. Then AMD will have something.

If PD does have first gen I7 IPC their 8 core CPUs are going to be multi-threaded monsters.
 

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This. I'm sure GPU performance relative to low-end discrete will be fine but I'm still not going to be convinced on the CPU side til we see some numbers. Hopefully PD really does bring IPC at least in line with Phenom 2. In fact hopefully they are able to get it up into first gen core i7 territory. Then AMD will have something.
If PD does have first gen I7 IPC their 8 core CPUs are going to be multi-threaded monsters.
Man I hope so. Thats what Im holding out hope for. We havent seen any hard numbers yet but all the signs like with Trinity and the fact that theyre actually giving us an ETA release date instead of the 3 years of silence we got from AMD, it does look more promising than with Bulldozer.
 

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This. I'm sure GPU performance relative to low-end discrete will be fine but I'm still not going to be convinced on the CPU side til we see some numbers. Hopefully PD really does bring IPC at least in line with Phenom 2. In fact hopefully they are able to get it up into first gen core i7 territory. Then AMD will have something.
If PD does have first gen I7 IPC their 8 core CPUs are going to be multi-threaded monsters.
First gen i7? Maybe you meant 3rd gen?
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Tahiti on the top and Cayman on the bottom (keep in mind AMD loves to photoshop their GPU die shots in slides).

Take a look at a picture of Barcelona for example and compare it to the "Cayman" picture above.

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Outch so someone at amd processor was ticked off and their Cpu part was this.God I hope ati helped them a lot to join the gpu to the Cpu.but then then theese are for mobile spec so maybe they re wide enough.we ll see. Since this will be only a mega multithreaded Fetcher for the onboard gpu there is one issue.they will need massive amount of opencl solution to convince this is the future cause the Cpu is clearly designed for this idea. If the Cpu was the attraction they would be in trouble but via opencl it wont be. A contest loo.Trinity will be miles ahead. But via non opencl?I have a lot of doubt
 

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Take a look at a picture of Barcelona for example and compare it to the "Cayman" picture above.
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Yeah, I've seen the GCN shot, but damn, no wonder why "Cayman" looked odd.
 

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I really wish they would be more upfront with their die shots.

nVidia is as far as I know.

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First gen i7? Maybe you meant 3rd gen?
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Sandy Bridge IPC? I highly doubt it. We'll see though.
 
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