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[PCWorld]End of the Road for Internet Explorer?

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IE 8: End of the Road for Internet Explorer?

Randall C. Kennedy, Infoworld

IE8 is the last version of the Internet Explorer Web browser. At least, that's what I'm hearing through the grapevine. It seems that Microsoft is preparing to throw in the towel on its Internet Explorer engine once and for all.

And just what will be its replacement? I'm getting conflicting stories on that one. Some are still claiming that Microsoft will go with WebKit, which, thanks to the popularity of Apple's Safari browser and also Google's Chrome, is rapidly becoming a de facto standard for all non-IE and non-Firefox implementations.

Others insist that that the whole WebKit story is merely a feint and that Microsoft will in fact be adopting a brand-new engine coming out of its Microsoft Research division. Dubbed "Gazelle," this new engine will supposedly be more secure than Firefox or even Chrome, making copious use of sandboxing to keep its myriad plug-ins isolated and the overall browser process model protected.

But regardless of which direction Microsoft takes -- WebKit or Gazelle -- it will still have to navigate the treacherous waters of legacy ActiveX support. And as someone who has spent some not-so-quality time developing ActiveX controls in the past, the need to maintain some sort of compatibility layer within any proposed IE replacement is a critical consideration.

For most casual users (i.e., grandma in her den surfing eBay), ActiveX was and is just another annoying RIA (rich Internet application) mechanism, one that has increasingly been supplanted by Adobe Flash or various AJAX-based mechanisms. However, for enterprise IT shops with a heavy Microsoft investment, ActiveX has long been an integral part of many in-house applications.

If Microsoft intends to pull the plug on IE after version 8, it will need to articulate a clear legacy migration strategy that allows these shops to preserve their investments in ActiveX controls and resources.

Then there's the issue of legacy HTML/CSS support. So much of the Web has been tweaked for IE 6.x compatibility that even Microsoft's own attempts to implement a more standards-compliant browser engine in IE8 have met with disastrous results. For me, the situation so bad that when I do find myself using IE 8 (typically, to view a site that causes my copy of the Chrome 2.x beta release to blow up), I end up configuring IE 8's compatibility mode as the default viewing option since the browser's native rendering mode breaks practically every site I visit.

Finally, there's the matter of third-party developers using IE's rendering engine with their own applications. A good example would be a program that includes a help file in HTML format and then uses a custom form to display an embedded Web browser object to host the file. This embedded object is invariably an ActiveX container for the IE engine that's installed with Windows, so any attempt to remove IE from the OS -- or to radically change its core underpinnings -- will need to account for applications that rely on the existence of an accessible, programmable IE object model.

Of course, all of the above is old hat for Microsoft, a company whose status as global software leader too often makes it a victim of its own success. I, for one, look forward to the possibility of a clean break with IE's creaky old rendering engine. But I hope the company pays more care and attention to preserving legacy compatibility than it did with some of its more recent OS efforts.
source: http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...16:g4:r1:c0:b0
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Originally Posted by spartacus View Post
8 versions too late.

my thoughts exactly lol


edit: Not too sure how reliable the source is, seems pretty reliable imo though.
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Hrm...interesting.

Valve will have to code a new browser engine into Steam, or even create their own, after IE8.
They won't use Chrome i guarantee it. I use it from day to day and it still has rendering issues. Even here on OCN if you pay close attention the login screen bugs i think it was. I think they are just ditching the IE name and making something new from scratch. That way they don't get IE's bad rep and they can release a new browser.
They wont go to chrome because Google wants to move into the OS buisness and Microsoft will NEVER help an opponent get their name and products more recognizable. Example: Why does Microsoft use MSN as its default web browser? Because Google wants to move into any and every technilogical area that can make them money.
Its funny....I have never really ha an issue with IE.
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post
Its funny....I have never really had an issue with IE.
I'm fairly certain no one has.
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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE View Post
Its funny....I have never really ha an issue with IE.
It is just slow and in the past has been insecure. (ActiveX is... very vulnerable.)
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Originally Posted by ElMikeTheMike View Post
I'm fairly certain no one has.
Thats why i use IE... eveyone complains but when I ask my friends to show me whats wrong they are like... uh, its slow and buggy use Firefox... and I just tell them as soon as they can show me real proof Ill switch.
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Sometimes when you browse to certain pages/start it, it waits a while before actually doing anything. Or at least there's no sign of anything being done... but only sometimes - so obviously they can't show you this.

It happens less with IE 7, but try IE 6 at your school or something and brace for impact.
Signature Quote about sums it up...
I switched to firefox because it was simply so so much faster imo
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You guys saying IE is fine, you do realize it can't render correctly, which, I'd like to note, is the entire point of a web browser?
I'm yet to come across a single thing (without going out of my way to find) that doesn't render for me.
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I switched to firefox because it was simply so so much faster imo
now safari is claimed the be the fastest. ive never had a prob with ff3 or ie8
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I never had any real issue with IE, but FF was just a lot more customizable for me.
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Originally Posted by ElMikeTheMike View Post
I'm yet to come across a single thing (without going out of my way to find) that doesn't render for me.
That's because web developers like me have to break our backs to make sure it APPEARS to be the same. Web development would take 50-75% less time if we didn't have to figure out how to circumvent every IE rendering error.
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As much as everyone likes to bash IE, it's really not a bad browser. It's no Netscape Navigator or AOL browser, that's for certain.

I never really have any problems with it. It's just that everyone prefers Firefox significantly more (well, most people that have tried it). Once you experience extensions, you'll never go back.
There's also the common computer nerd's urge to always complain about Microsoft and put them down as often as possible. When in fact, their products really aren't ever bad. I never have problems with them, to be honest. I liked XP, I like Vista, I hear Windows 7 is great, I've liked every version of MS Office I've used, I like IE fine (although, as stated, I prefer Firefox much more). They never really give me issues, to be honest.

But if they're ditching IE for something better, then that's good. That probably means they're going for some major revamps to make it have the features we love about the alternative and increasingly popular alternative browsers like Firefox and Chrome (and likely some new features to try to get ahead of the competition), which will in turn probably cause those competitors to add features to stay a step ahead, causing a cycle of additions and improvements.
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That's because web developers like me have to break our backs to make sure it APPEARS to be the same. Web development would take 50-75% less time if we didn't have to figure out how to circumvent every IE rendering error.

I'm not trying to be a jerk here...but how is that my problem?

IE7 works...end of story for me.

In any event, it'll be interesting to see what MS will release after IE8.
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