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I recently came into a phenomx4, particularly the 9850. If you look at my rig you will yell at me, but I don't care. I NEED to use this 125w cpu in my little bitty 95w board. lol Anyway, on to probably stupid questions.

I recently moved from a dual core athlon to this cpu, and was wondering some things. First, the multiplier is unlocked on these black edition cpus (primary reason I wanted to use it) So I turn down the mult and voltage as far as it will go 8x @ .950v.. But this thing seems to keep the same heat no matter how much power is run through it. Is this the nature of this particular beast? Or Is there an issue w this one? It idles about 98F (havent run stress tests yet to determine stability of under/over clocks, just checking and making sure it actually works for now). Ill update here for stress temps once I run those, but thats later. My athlons (plural, used a few different ones) all seemed to run about 80F idle and ramped up to about 110F under full load (including GPU and memory, to trap as much heat inside the case as possible) I know that 4 cores will always run hotter than just 2, but a full 20 degrees at IDLE?! Im unsure if this is an issue or normal behavior?

Also, performance-wise what can i expect in comparison to the 5200 dual cores? If I run the 5200 at stock 2.6Ghz, what would the equivalent in number crunching capability be from the 9850? I think I should be able to underclock it a bit and still outperform the dual core, but where would be the equivalence?

What would be a good sink to use to put this thing down back where my dual core ran in temp? I'm looking bare minimum in cost and modification of case interior. I believe there is a close comparison sink in my rig specs down there. Except instead of just one fan, ive got 2, 1 push and 1 pull.

Further info, yes to fresh thermal compound (its not AS5, but I've found it more than adequate, considering when I clamp down my sink, much of the cpu heatspreader has enough compound remaining that I can still make out words on it. ) Yes the fans still work. No, nothing else has changed, not even wire routing. Yes it's all clean inside: living in Arizona, I have to clean the inside of my rig and fan blades once a month MINIMUM. Heatsink is tower style with 3 heattubes and copper base. Dimensions roughly 3.25" x 2.75" (guestimation, but pretty close), so not the biggest; but I got it for FREE, so I can't really complain.

Thanx for the input guys. You have been so helpful in the past, and I am looking forward to it now and in the future.
 

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HA, that was quick. Thanx. So I ran 3 orthos "overnight" (not really since I had to get up 5 hours later) with no errors. I guess that missing pin is just something simple like ground or power. Best thing is, @65F ambient, the max temps were only 105F, so I'm guessing that while this agena runs hotter at idle, itll also handle its power more efficiently than the brisbanes did. I'll start turning it back up to stock speeds (possibly overclocking, as one review set I saw did OC this chip with this board and didn't have issues until around 3.2Gig) and see what happens with this cooler. If it remains the same, then yahoooooooo, if it gets substantially hotter: new sink here I come.

Edit: removed stupid question cuz I should've checked first. lol For sure I've got a BE cpu. WOOOHOOOOO FOOOOORRRRRR FFFFRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ha
 

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e5200 vs 9850

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/29?vs=66

Also u can run a 125w cpu on a rated 95w board, its just longterm the capacitors won't be able to take it and say 6 months to 12 months from now it could just shut off and never turn back on even if you didn't overclock it. It could even run more than a year in some cases but eventually things like your southbridge will start to malfunction and degrade from random power spikes.You will get weird blue screens of death errors and not be able to figure it out with any test. As long as the board is just a cheapo 50 dollar one I would say go for it if your on a super budget. The key to keeping the board going is have a fan blowing on the mosfet/vram to keep it cool. A high RPM case side fan could be a cheap way to keep it cool.

a cheap cooling solution for the 9850 is the stock Phenom II Heatpipes HSF and some Artic Silver 5. AS5 will help significantly on a Phenom I compared to the cheap white stuff u might have. If its the offbrand silver type you are ok in my opinion. The white ceramic stuff is garbage.

I personally prefer MX2 as it is cheaper and it can be used on gpus as well

http://www.ebay.com/itm/120939147307?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
 

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ohhhhhhhh, icic. So theoretically I could run this thing at something like 60%, down to the 95w the board can handle stably, and still probably outperform my ol brisbane. Neato speedo guidos. Very helpful site, that. So now its jus fiddling w the fsb to oc the ram back where it was and find the happy points w the mult and volts to get it down far enough. Min power state for this agena is apparently 64w, so going down to 95w should be a nonissue while still retaining gaming ability and crunching power when I need it. Maybe I'll get something to oc in realtime to get speed boosts when I need it and downclock to reduce power and stress when I don't.

Thanx for the help guys.
 

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Yes, separate post, very soon after the last one. On purpose....shhhhhh. Update for temps. @ 230fsb x10.5 (2430Mhz) Idle temps are around 125F. Soooooo, until I get better sink, down down it goes. We don't want no overheatin on 'ar hands hoss.
 

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ohhhhhhhh, icic. So theoretically I could run this thing at something like 60%, down to the 95w the board can handle stably, and still probably outperform my ol brisbane. Neato speedo guidos. Very helpful site, that. So now its jus fiddling w the fsb to oc the ram back where it was and find the happy points w the mult and volts to get it down far enough. Min power state for this agena is apparently 64w, so going down to 95w should be a nonissue while still retaining gaming ability and crunching power when I need it. Maybe I'll get something to oc in realtime to get speed boosts when I need it and downclock to reduce power and stress when I don't.

Thanx for the help guys.
No problem.

A Phenom 1 is still not a bad chip, when it came out it just wasn't as good as a Q6600 and most Core 2 Duos outperformed it in gaming. Got a bad wrap but I always found them on ebay for cheap because of that and used them for friend builds who were on Pentium 4/Pentium D's. I owned practically every Phenom 1 X4/X3 so I have had alot of experience with them. Even owned the B editions of them lol.

However the Phenom 1 has a new life with Windows 8 as it is very responsive having those extra cores for multitasking and being better optimized than Windows 7 so its better than the mid range Core 2 Duos for HTPC at this point IMHO.

I have a 9150e @1.8 which is 65w and it is very responsive with an SSD. Also good for movie encoding.

Just took a good 4-5 years for this processor to find its sweet spot but it finally did lol. The 9850BE would probably do better in BF3 than the Athlon II X2 if I were to make my guess.
 

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Update again. I just put a wire in the hole for the missing pin. Seeing if anything has changed. So far nothing much. Had some memory errors the other day, but lowering the NB freq a tic helped that. I'm a bit more wary of upping the NB voltage than I am CPU volts. CPUs I can get a dime a dozen, decent mobo for oc, not so much. I'm also going back up to stock speeds (possibly beyond) veerrrrrryyyyyy slowly. I'm currently at 2.3Ghz 210x11 @ 1.025v About to run tests and check max temps. Will update for any interested in a bit
 

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a cheap cooling solution for the 9850 is the stock Phenom II Heatpipes HSF and some Artic Silver 5. AS5 will help significantly on a Phenom I compared to the cheap white stuff u might have. If its the offbrand silver type you are ok in my opinion. The white ceramic stuff is garbage.
I've actually done just as well with the Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 stuff as I ever did with AS5. The generic white stuff is next to useless, but the Arctic Silver version works.
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No problem.

A Phenom 1 is still not a bad chip, when it came out it just wasn't as good as a Q6600 and most Core 2 Duos outperformed it in gaming. Got a bad wrap but I always found them on ebay for cheap because of that and used them for friend builds who were on Pentium 4/Pentium D's. I owned practically every Phenom 1 X4/X3 so I have had alot of experience with them. Even owned the B editions of them lol.

However the Phenom 1 has a new life with Windows 8 as it is very responsive having those extra cores for multitasking and being better optimized than Windows 7 so its better than the mid range Core 2 Duos for HTPC at this point IMHO.

I have a 9150e @1.8 which is 65w and it is very responsive with an SSD. Also good for movie encoding.

Just took a good 4-5 years for this processor to find its sweet spot but it finally did lol. The 9850BE would probably do better in BF3 than the Athlon II X2 if I were to make my guess.
I bet it would, too. I just mentioned this on another thread. Software developers, including game developers, are writing code that takes advantage of multiple threads. By targeting quad-core CPU's, they're giving something like a Phenom X4 a lease on life that it never really had when it was in production.

A dual core is pretty much the bare minimum for anything today, and a single-core CPU is next to useless. Last fall, I replaced the single-core Sempron 3800+ in a friend's computer with an A64 X2 4400+, and the difference was like night and day, much more than the PR ratings on the two chips would suggest.
 

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Cool. Good to know. I am planning on rebuilding my p4 rig soon to make a lil home server. Primarily for movies. But any gaming machine I build now HAS to be min dual core, running something like 2.8Ghz. Anything less and I get huge lags w my HD textures and stuff. It just can't seem to move the data to the GPU fast enough, or handle the memory (even tho mine is jus about the cheapest memory available) transfers. I dunno, it just sux. Annnnyyyyywhoooooo, UPDATE!!!

Sitting pretty right now at 200x13 (2.7)@ 1.125v. Running stress, watching temps. It would seem that even tho this chip idles higher, It still seems to be cooler under load than that athlon I had. I'm guessing it handles it's heat better, and that it uses the power more efficiently than the brisbanes ever could. Max load temp so far has been around 117F. Wish I could do conversions in my head, and weren't so lazy to use a calculator....lol The brisbane would idle around 89, whereas this agena sits nicely about 98F. And the brisbane would load to 125F, 10 whole degrees more than this bigger, faster chip. So for now, it would seem my cooling is adequate. Next steps are: better oc board, able to handle 140w+ cpu, bigger gpu> or better heatsink for my 8800, and more hdds. I have a storage fetish.

For now, I think I'm about done here. I will eventually post back (and check back each day) for my end clock and temps, but for now I'll just s.t.f.u.
 

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Okie Doooookkieeeeeeee...Update time. For anyone interested. Sitting @ 2530Mhz. That's [email protected] 1.1v If my maths are correct thats about 106w. Which my little board should handle reliably for a while to come. Its listed there, if you want specs. There is AMPLE air flow inside the case. There are only 2 static spots, one around the sound card and LAN card area, and the other between the dvd drives and the psu. The rest has total flow with very little hot spots. The area between the video and cpu stays warmer, but that's just the nature of these things. My temps stay around 93 idle (ambient is around 68-72F) and load up to something like 112F. So not too bad. Warmer than I would like, but manageable.

This will be the last post from me most likely, unless someone brings up something interesting.
 

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You could lock it to three cores and that should take care of the power consumption/VRM concern, while giving you better single-thread performance and retaining 1 extra core over your Brisbane.

I don't know what your board is, but I suggest you don't ignore the rated TDP concern. Failing to comply might result in more than just your "rig turning off and never turning on again"... some instances have involved rather violent failures with fires, sparks and explosions - at least one incident of which has sent the fire department to a person's house.
 

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OOOOOOO.....fire! Don't tell me that, I'm a pyro. I might OC it too much on purpose.....lol j/k I'm pretty sure the board was designed to handle more than what the specs say. These things are all alike, ratings are based off of the weakest found tested link in a batch. If all boards test stably and reliably at 115w, but one only took 96w before it went, they will rate it just under that, so 95w.....safe side. Just like CPU, some will OC to 5Ghz, while others from the same batch on the same day will only go to 3Ghz (assuming average stock clock around middle 2Gig). Luck of the draw thing. I'm pretty sure if it didn't go while OCin my 5200+ to 115w, running this phenom at 106w shouldn't cause too much of an issue. I'm planning on having a much bigger, better system by the time this one has a chance to go anyway.
 
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