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i want to have the most perfect rig i can build. my goal is to keep it under 3 grand with a dx10 card next month <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"> lets see what i have came up with and give me some suggestions <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"><br><br>
320$ e6600<br>
270$ case <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811133027" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133027</a><br>
215$ psu <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817703006" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703006</a><br>
310$ ram <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820609026" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820609026</a><br>
700$ gpu not out yet 8800gtx<br>
95$ hd <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148140" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148140</a><br>
200$ motherboard <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131045" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131045</a><br>
285$ os <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16837116195" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16837116195</a><br>
85$ 10x fans <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811999127" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811999127</a><br>
92$ temp gfx card. <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814131007" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814131007</a><br>
430$ hd ram <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231039" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231039</a><br>
135$ iram <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16815168001" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16815168001</a><br>
47$ raid drive <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144173" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822144173</a><br><br>
10 second boot time is something i would love thats why i have chosen the iram <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"><br><br>
also i got the retail xp because i dont wana have to call up microsoft all the time -_- besides im a bad liar <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"><br><br>
basicaly the small hd im gonna use for mirroring the i-ram to <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"> and then the 320 gig for storage <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
so u guys got any ideas?<br><br>
whoa i forgot a dvd burner <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"><br>
31$ dvd burner <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827151136" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16827151136</a><br><br>
id like to be able to order this today so it will showup friday or monday. but if i dont get enough posts here il wait a day or so to order it <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Frown"><br><br>
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250$ case <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811133027" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133027</a><br>
320$ hd's <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148144" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148144</a><br>
260$ gpu <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814102051" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102051</a><br>
200$ psu <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817703006" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817703006</a><br>
58$ hsf <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835185027" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185027</a><br>
72$ keyboard <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16823126179" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16823126179</a><br>
59$ mouse <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16826153107" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16826153107</a><br>
16$ as5 <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835100008" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835100008</a><br>
30$ mouse pad <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817114704" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817114704</a><br>
195$ mobo <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131045" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131045</a><br>
315$ cpu <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115003" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115003</a><br>
310$ ram <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820609026" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16820609026</a><br>
140$ os <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16832116059" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/product/Produc...82E16832116059</a></td>
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thats current list <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"> il update this if it changes <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink">
 

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Looks like a helluva system, but I think you can get Xp Pro for like $140... on Newegg...
 

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Lots of great stuff there.<br>
The only oddity is why people get the Thunderblades, they utilize sleeves vs the prefered ball bearing or hydro wave. Sleeve units are known to have shorter life spans.
 

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hmr. any ideas of a fan with great cfm, low db and price?<br><br>
i almost went with the silenX fans.. but price was high....
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Lots of great stuff there.<br>
The only oddity is why people get the Thunderblades, they utilize sleeves vs the prefered ball bearing or hydro wave. Sleeve units are known to have shorter life spans.</div>
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High CFM + Low Noise + pretty lights. They're like $10, who cares if they last 2 years instead of 5?<br><br>
Edit: A great fan is the Silverstone FM121. 110CFM, 40 dBA, $15.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Looks like a helluva system, but I think you can get Xp Pro for like $140... on Newegg...</div>
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Ya the OEM version is only 139. Thats what I got. I love it!<br><br><br>
edit: I just checked out his link for the OS.....new egg is giving away an OEM version of Vista with purchase of the xp pro. Cool!
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Ya the OEM version is only 139. Thats what I got. I love it!<br><br><br>
edit: I just checked out his link for the OS.....new egg is giving away an OEM version of Vista with purchase of the xp pro. Cool!</div>
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Beta 2. Which is free anyway.
 

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yeah I know, but its still cool that they give you a copy.
 

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use this RAM (you did say perfection):<br><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820231077" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231077</a><br><br>
It's currently out of stock...but worth the wait or find it elsewhere. The 6600, P5B and that RAM makes for one blazing computer.
 

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Do check out the results ncsa got from the Geil he used! Those Micron D9 IC do scream!<br><a href="http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/112210-pb5-deluxe-oc-brief-encounter-e6300.html" target="_blank">http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...ter-e6300.html</a>
 

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well using more expensive ram would put me at like 3200+ instead of 3100+ after the 8800gtx <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Frown"><br><br>
and that super talent has some crazy timings for the price. and the one review says that he got them to 1100 with 2.3v and stock timings. so i figured for the price they seem like a great product <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"><br><br>
also i thought a hardware review of super talent for the site might be nice?<br><br>
also just out of curiosity.. what keyboard/mousepad/mouse/headphones would u get as well <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"> ?<br><br>
a few things i left out <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"><br><br>
as5<br>
keyboard g15 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"><br>
razer copperhead mouse <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"><br>
asus silent square hsf --- gonna go with something diferent.. besides it looks sweeeeet!!! ^_^<br><br>
and i decided to go with the oem version of xp <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"> saves sooo much money <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue">
 

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Looking good. The iRAM is obviously a very expensive part, but if boot times are so important to you, then go ahead (I can wait for the about once a month I boot up my rig.... LOL)<br><br>
RAM, of course, is up to debate. The G.Skill DDR2 800 HZ kit is a known performer, hitting speeds of DDR2 1000 or more, and the timings are 4-4-4-12. Also, timings are not as important for Intel CPUs as bandwidth. Look for RAM that can handle a good bandwidth.<br><br>
Chill a little bit on the fans. Get five Silverstones; the Mozart already inclused five fans, and I think that combined with the silverstones would provide more than enough airflow. If not, you can always get more <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick Out Tongue"><br><br>
You probably have to manually back up the iRAM to the small HDD. In that case, I would simply drop the small HDD, and dedicate a small partition on the large drive for back up purposes. I don't see it possible to make RAID array with the iRAM and a physical HDD, and is you can, it'll likely hamper the iRAM performance. The money saved, I would invest in a better temporarily video card, like a 7600GT for like $130 or so.<br><br>
I personally would not get any first gen. DX10 card, but wait until DX10 is really up and running. I would probably get a mid-range $200-$275 card for now (X1900XT 256MB or the 7900GTO), since it'll take a bit before DX10 is really getting somewhere.
 

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well. i figure.. with the iram. i could always get a second and raid them. and then install a game on it. or even after vista use it for page file + a game<br><br>
i think it will be nice in the long run <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> besides the bragging rights are amazing <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"><br><br>
about the fans... i come to assume that the fans included with it arent very good... and if i get 8+ from newegg i get free shipping etc.. i ALMOT went with silenX fans but realized *** am i thinkin Oo thats crazy for a single fan... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"><br><br>
how about a x1900xt ? <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102051" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102051</a> like that.<br><br>
i guess that will let me wait even longer to get the dx10 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> and money is sorta tight...<br><br>
about the ram. i figured once again i would be the test subject once again for oc.net <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"> besides it looks quite good...
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">well. i figure.. with the iram. i could always get a second and raid them. and then install a game on it. or even after vista use it for page file + a game<br><br>
i think it will be nice in the long run <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> besides the bragging rights are amazing <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"></div>
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I think bragging rights is the only thing. Long run? Not really with more solid state HDD's in development, like the notebook hard drive Samsung is working on: <a href="http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/21/32gb_ssd_samsung/" target="_blank">http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/21/32gb_ssd_samsung/</a><br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">about the fans... i come to assume that the fans included with it arent very good... and if i get 8+ from newegg i get free shipping etc.. i ALMOT went with silenX fans but realized *** am i thinkin Oo thats crazy for a single fan... <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Stick out tounge caps"></div>
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Why that assumption? I'd just get the case without fans first, and get the fans if you don't like what you have. Not spend money unless you need to.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">how about a x1900xt ? <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102051" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102051</a> like that.</div>
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Good <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Thumb">
 

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yeah the Iram will cost you about 500$ extra for a tiny increase in performance (4x1024mb PC3200 sticks plus Iram card...) not worth it when boot times are sweet enough, just raid raptor x's for that price.... (unless you have some 1024mb sticks lying around...)
 

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You didn't buy any RAM for your iRAM. You have to buy that separately...<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">I think bragging rights is the only thing. Long run? Not really with more solid state HDD's in development, like the notebook hard drive Samsung is working on: <a href="http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/21/32gb_ssd_samsung/" target="_blank">http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/03/21/32gb_ssd_samsung/</a></div>
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$750 for 32GB???
 

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He has that listed as hd RAM... the G.Skill DDR sticks for like $430 total.
 

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hrm.. i guess i could say forget about SSD for a while...<br><br>
that saves me a bundle...<br><br>
guess il go with 4x 320gb drives in raid 0 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"> granted that il prob never use that space... but i can always do raid 0+1 if i want if i get all 4 <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Wink"> and the speed is gonna be amazing!!!<br><br>
also i guess i can wait off on the fans <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin">
 

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Do make sure the iRAM is compatable with the MB!
 

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I believe that the iRAM is just standard SATA 1.5, thus I don't expect any compatibily issues. It just sits in a PCI slot for power, and then is connected to a SATA port with a SATA cable.<br><br>
Also, I would probably get the 250GB version of the Seagates:<br><a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148144" target="_blank">Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 (Perpendicular Recording) 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s</a> $79.99 a piece
 
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