[Robchaoz]

read this

http://martinsliquidlab.i4memory.com...ng-Review.html

 

[Lazman1]

pull is better than push.
It gives better temps

 

[Oupavoc]

does it matter that much on the rad and fans used?

 

[oblivion.sky]

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Originally Posted by Oupavoc does it matter that much on the rad and fans used?

yes sir, if your running a med cfm fan and a gtx 360 for Example, push i think would be better, but on higher cfm fans on a gtc360 pull would be better.

my opinion, and form what i've seen suggested on other threads.

 

[Dar_T]

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Originally Posted by Oupavoc does it matter that much on the rad and fans used?

Of course. You have to pick the right fans for certain rads.

 

[Oupavoc]

Well, this is the rad that I got Feser TFC 360 and have some 104CFM panaflos on order. Are those fans too much for that rad?

 

[ira-k]

The Fesser is a lower fin per inch rad so push should work a little better on it...Fan Push vs Pull vs TFC Shroud Results - Martin

I was getting a little better temp's on pull with a higher fin per inch rad (GTX)

..Part-1-480 GTX-Temps W & W/O Shrouds

Transonic got the same results on a Bonnie Core, which is a higher fin per inch rad.Poll: Push or pull configuration for Radiators

Push-pull is the best on all of them.

 

[RAND0M1ZER]

well, pull is certainly less maintenance (dust)

 

[Oupavoc]

ok but are the panaflos overkill for that rad?

 

[Stormwolf]

You probably don't need that much to get effective cooling out of the TFC360 but it won't hurt. You can always undervolt the fans (connect them to a fan controller and run them at a lower speed) to find the best balance of noise and cfm that works for you.

Pull definitely seems to suck in less dust ...or maybe it's just all settled inside my shroud

 

[ira-k]

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Originally Posted by Oupavoc ok but are the panaflos overkill for that rad?

You mean the Fesser, not really, any rad will do better with more cfm. It just flattens out faster with Fesser,PA,Swifty. They don't scale as well with it as a GTX or BIX, Bonnie..etc

Any of them you have to have a certain amount of air flow to cool well. A Fesser with 47cfm fans isn't going to touch a GTX with 86cfm fans, the Fesser would do better then a GTX would with those same 47cfm fans on each.

Take a look at Martins rad calc's..The PA and Fesser and GTX are all in there. Radiator Thermals and Radiator Calculators - Martin

Put in your OC wattage and the fans rpm that you want ot use, a little bar graph will pop up on the bottom, thats your rad out to room ambient deltas, keep that at a 5C and under for good OC'ing cooling.

There is a shroud option in it also, shrouds can give you up to a 20% cooling boost.

But that will give you a real good idea of the cooling potential of the rad types with various fans on them. I'm pretty sure he used 120x38mm fans in that testing at 1700RPM and above.

 

[Oupavoc]

Ok, I see. But what about this, which one for the Feser TFC 360 Radiator. I do have a scythe kaze master fan controller.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185065

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835705003

 

[ira-k]

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Originally Posted by Oupavoc Ok, I see. But what about this, which one for the Feser TFC 360 Radiator. I do have a scythe kaze master fan controller. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835185065 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835705003

I'd use the second ones since they are 120x38mm fans.

How much of a load are you going to have on your rad?

 

[Oupavoc]

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Originally Posted by ira-k I'd use the second ones since they are 120x38mm fans. How much of a load are you going to have on your rad?

As of right now I'm only cooling the cpu (Q6600 G0) I will push it to the max, that I can. Currently at 3.4GHZ at 1.25 vcore. I could prob do better when I tweak it. But I took my loop off for upgrades, and using air right now. But later on I will want to cool the NB (X58 Foxconn bloodrage or Gigabyte Extreme) and down the road maybe the GPU.

 

[ira-k]

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Originally Posted by Oupavoc As of right now I'm only cooling the cpu (Q6600 G0) I will push it to the max, that I can. Currently at 3.4GHZ at 1.25 vcore. I could prob do better when I tweak it. But I took my loop off for upgrades, and using air right now. But later on I will want to cool the NB (X58 Foxconn bloodrage or Gigabyte Extreme) and down the road maybe the GPU.

OH OK...You can figure your CPU OC wattage here... Vision CPU Wattage Calc

Then I think you can get close to your GPU wattage by using a PSU calc.eXtreme Power Supply Calculator Lite v2.5 .Just figure it without GPU then add the GPU and see how many more watts the PSU would need for it.

A NB wont be much, maybe 30-50W at most.

Then you could use that wattage in Martins rad calcs and see what RPM fans you would need to stay under a 5C rad out with. I'd add 50 or a 100W to the figure just to be on the safe side.Radiator Thermals and Radiator Calculators - Martin -

Me I'd just go with the 120x38mm fans and use a controller if noise is a issue with you.Turn them down when you don't need it and up when you do.

Shrouds if you have the room for them will give you a good boost in cooling.

 

[Oupavoc]

Ok, I'll take your recommendation and give the panaflo's a try, if I don't like them I'll just get something else. There isn't a big price different so it's not a big deal. Hopefully my fan controller can handle those bad boys. scythe kaze master, maybe one fan per channel should do. Also will try them in pull for the pros. Ok thanks everyone reps + for all... oh ira-k invisible rep+ for you mate

 

[ira-k]

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Originally Posted by Oupavoc Ok, I'll take your recommendation and give the panaflo's a try, if I don't like them I'll just get something else. There isn't a big price different so it's not a big deal. Hopefully my fan controller can handle those bad boys. scythe kaze master, maybe one fan per channel should do. Also will try them in pull for the pros. Ok thanks everyone reps + for all... oh ira-k invisible rep+ for you mate

I like cookies..

..Hey those Pana are only around 6W each, so if each channel on the controller can handle 20W you could run 3 on each channel.
If each channel is only 18W just run a couple of them on it.etc..

 

[Oupavoc]

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Originally Posted by ira-k I like cookies.. ..Hey those Pana are only around 6W each, so if each channel on the controller can handle 20W you could run 3 on each channel. If each channel is only 18W just run a couple of them on it.etc..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811998038

looks like my fan controller can handle 1 amp per channel so that's 12 watts/ 12volts. So this mean to be safe one fan per channel.

 

[ira-k]

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Originally Posted by Oupavoc http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811998038 looks like my fan controller can handle 1 amp per channel so that's 12 watts/ 12volts. So this mean to be safe one fan per channel.

At 12W on each channel you should be able to run 2 of those 103cfm Pana. I'm going by the wattage rating on these...Panaflo 120x38mm 103cfm High Speed FBA12G12H1BX by NMB-MAT

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120x120x38mm, 103.8 CFM @ 2500 RPM, 41.5 dBA, 5.52w, 460 mA, 12v DC, 3 pin Panaflo tail to standard 3-pin connector included. This model is BX and does support TACH output.

So that would just squeak you by with 2 of them on each channel. If you don't need the other channels for anything I'd just run one on each if you would like to.