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I'm currently running G.Skill DDR2 1000 (PC2 8000) F2-8000CL5D-4GBPQ RAM @ 400 fsb in a 1:1 ratio. My timings are set to 5,5,5,15 @ 2.1v. No matter what I cannot get stable if I try to bring them past 400.

Last night I tried running Memtest @ 6x500, 6x450 and 6x425 and each time it locked up Memtest around 81% through test 3. It did not error, rather it actually locked up and I had to power down my pc. After that I ran Memtest @ 8x400 overnight and it made it through 5 passes with no issues.

So here are my questions. My ram should be able to run 500 fsb in a 1:1 ratio, right? What should my other voltages (NB, SB, PLL, etc) be at for running Memtest or would it not matter? I'm running everything with the same volts I used for P95 stability @ 8x400. With Memtest locking up would that be my ram or some kind of issue with the test itself? I'm guessing ram but who knows; I've never had it lock up on me before. If my ram is supposed to be able to run at 500 fsb and it can't even do 425 does that warrant sending it back to G.Skill and getting another set?

Thanks in advance for your help; I'm really trying to get above 3.2ghz and I'm hoping that it's my ram holding me back right now.
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Try loosening the timings on the ram so that you can clock it higher. That should get it a bit higher for ya.
What would you suggest? 5,5,5,18 or 7,7,7,18 or something different? I figured that the ram was rated at 500fsb with the manufacturers timings and voltages.
I just tried 6x500, 6x450, and 6x425 with 7,7,7,20 @ 2.1v and it wouldn't even post; it tried to but it just restarted once or twice then loaded at 6x266 and I was able to go into bios to reset things. I can post my bios settings and voltages later if anyone thinks it may help. Right now I just don't think my ram can go past 400 fsb even though it's supposed to.
5-5-5-10 is no problem for my RAM sticks.
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5-5-5-10 is no problem for my RAM sticks.
Ok, so give your RAM to the original poster and the problem is solved.

Anyways, is your cpu stable above 400 with other RAM? Check just incase. It looks like your RAM should run those clocks at DDR2 1066 with 2.0V to 2.1V so it should work. Maybe try re-seating the RAM ro putting it in different dual-channel slots and testing again.
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What's your MCH Core voltage? You may need to boost it a bit above 400.
As for your other voltages, look around in the mobo sections for a faq or something aobut them. Your SB shouldn't really be involved with MemTest stability but your NB could possibly be effecting it. If your NB is at Auto try finding the normal voltage for it and manually set that voltage. I know on my mobo that it can undervolt the RAM on auto so there is a chance that other mobos could undervolt other things I guess.

Outside of messing with the other voltages and the stuff mentioned earlier you could possibly have a "bad" set. If all else fails try testing with each individual stick and each slot.

BTW, the best testing for an error is to remove as many posibilities as you can so you might want to check unlinked or different ratios other than 1:1 as well.
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Ok, so give your RAM to the original poster and the problem is solved.

Anyways, is your cpu stable above 400 with other RAM? Check just incase. It looks like your RAM should run those clocks at DDR2 1066 with 2.0V to 2.1V so it should work. Maybe try re-seating the RAM ro putting it in different dual-channel slots and testing again.

First I will try reseating like you suggested. I also have a pair of GSkill DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) that I will be trying when I get home tonight. I don't know if both of the slots on my board are dual channel, wouldn't that cause other performance issues later on if they are not both dual channel?

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What's your MCH Core voltage? You may need to boost it a bit above 400.


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As for your other voltages, look around in the mobo sections for a faq or something aobut them. Your SB shouldn't really be involved with MemTest stability but your NB could possibly be effecting it. If your NB is at Auto try finding the normal voltage for it and manually set that voltage. I know on my mobo that it can undervolt the RAM on auto so there is a chance that other mobos could undervolt other things I guess.

I know a bit about overclocking and this motherboard so I have a relatively good understanding of what the different voltages do and what they "should" be. My bios settings are as follows:

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*******************************************************
MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)
*******************************************************
Robust Graphics Booster ..............: Auto
CPU Clock Ratio ......................: 6
Fine CPU Clock Ratio..................: 
CPU Frequency ........................: 2.5ghz

************** Clock Chip Control ************** 
>>>>>> Standard Clock Control
CPU Host Clock Control................: enabled
CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) .............: 400mhz
PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) ..........: 100mhz
C.I.A.2 ..............................:

>>>>>> Advanced Clock Control.........: [Press Enter]
CPU Clock Drive.......................: 700
PCI Express Clock Drive...............: 700
CPU Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0
MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: 0

*********** DRAM Performance Control *********** 
Performance Enhance...................: standard
(G)MCH Frequency Latch................: 400mhz
System Memory Multiplier .............: 2.00D
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ...............: 850
DRAM Timing Selectable ...............: Manual

>>>>>> Standard Timing Control
CAS Latency Time......................: 7
tRCD .................................: 7
tRP...................................: 7
tRAS..................................: 20

>>>>>> Advanced Timing Control........: [Press Enter]
tRRD..................................: I didn't touch any of these
tWTR..................................: 
tWR...................................: 
tRFC..................................: 
tRTP..................................: 
Command Rate (CMD) ...................:

>>>>>> Channel A Timing Settings......: [Press Enter]
Static tRead Value....................: I didn't touch any of these
tRD Phase0 Adjustment.................: 
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.................: 
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ................: 
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.................: 
Trd2rd(Different Rank)................: 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)................: 
Twr2rd(Different Rank)................: 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)................: 
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control (ps).........: 
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control (ps).........: 
DDR Write Training....................:

>>>>>> Channel A Driving Settings.....: [Press Enter]
Driving Strength Profile..............: I didn't touch any of these
Data Driving Pull-Up Level............: 
Cmd Driving Pull-Up level.............: 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level............: 
Clk Driving Pull-Up Level.............: 
Data Driving Pull-Down Level..........: 
Cmd Driving Pull-Down level...........: 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level..........: 
Clk Driving Pull-Down Level...........:

>>>>>> Channel B Timing Settings......: [Press Enter]
Static tRead Value....................: I didn't touch any of these
tRD Phase0 Adjustment.................: 
tRD Phase1 Adjustment.................: 
tRD Phase2 Adjustment ................: 
tRD Phase3 Adjustment.................: 
Trd2rd(Different Rank)................: 
Twr2wr(Different Rank)................: 
Twr2rd(Different Rank)................: 
Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)................: 
Dimm1 Clock Skew Control (ps).........: 
Dimm2 Clock Skew Control (ps).........: 
DDR Write Training....................:

>>>>>> Channel B Driving Settings.....: [Press Enter]
Driving Strength Profile..............: I didn't touch any of these
Data Driving Pull-Up Level............: 
Cmd Driving Pull-Up level.............: 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Up Level............: 
Clk Driving Pull-Up Level.............: 
Data Driving Pull-Down Level..........: 
Cmd Driving Pull-Down level...........: 
Ctrl Driving Pull-Down Level..........: 
Clk Driving Pull-Down Level...........:

********* Motherboard Voltage Control *********
Voltage Types...........Normal..........Current
-----------------------------------------------
>>>>>> CPU
Load-Line Calibration.................: enabled
CPU Vcore..............1.325000v......: 1.425
CPU Termination........1.200v.........: 1.3
CPU PLL................1.500v.........: auto
CPU Reference..........0.780v.........: .863

>>>>>> MCH/ICH
MCH Core...............1.100v.........: 1.4 (I also tried 1.5 and failed)
MCH Reference..........0.800v.........: .943 (with the above test this was at 1.03)
MCH/DRAM Ref...........0.900v.........: auto
ICH I/O................1.500v.........: 1.59
ICH Core...............1.100v.........: 1.3

>>>>>> DRAM
DRAM Voltage...........1.800v.........: 2.1
DRAM Termination.......0.900v.........: auto
Channel A Reference....0.900v.........: auto
Channel B Reference....0.900v.........: auto
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Outside of messing with the other voltages and the stuff mentioned earlier you could possibly have a "bad" set. If all else fails try testing with each individual stick and each slot.

BTW, the best testing for an error is to remove as many posibilities as you can so you might want to check unlinked or different ratios other than 1:1 as well.

I'll also try to test each stick individually tonight. If I have a bad set, oh well. I'll just RMA them to GSkill and hope to get a set that can do 500. In my opinion though, if the ram can't run at it's rated speed with a 1:1 ratio wouldn't that ram be considered bad? To be honest I've never messe with the ratios, I've always ran 1:1 on all the systems I've built.
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Ok, after switching which sticks of ram were in each slot I was able to pass Memtest at 6x425 and 6x450. 6x500 wouldn't post. Any ideas on what to try to get a 6x500 fsb to post and run Memtest? Incidentally I was able to boot my pc at 8x400 with a 2.5 System Memory Multiplier to bring my FSB to 1000 and it loaded Vista just fine but I didn't run Memtest or P95.

Anyway, I'm now able to load Vista @ 8x425 but P95 fails on core #4 almost instantly so I'm going to keep messing with my DRAM voltages. My timings are still 5,5,5,15 so maybe I'll drop those down a bit to see if that helps with stability. I still may switch to my old sticks of ram and see if they can run faster/more stable.
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If my ram is supposed to be able to run at 500 fsb and it can't even do 425 does that warrant sending it back to G.Skill and getting another set?


No, no, no.

Your RAM is not rated for 500 MHz FSB; it's rated for 500 MHz.

Two very different things.

You have a quad core.

Getting a quad core stable at higher FSBs can be a challenge, & while no one else in this thread seems to understand this, the entire reason you cannot get Memtest stable is because your FSB/NB/system isn't even close to stable right now, & it has absolutely nothing to do with the RAM.

You'll need to increase VTT/MCH somewhat, & possibly manually adjust your corresponding GTLs for those as well, to get things stable over 400 MHz.

And for testing the RAM, run the FSB at more realistic speed, & use a non 1:1 ratio to achieve DDR2-1000.

So as an example: 333 FSB w/ 3.0 ratio = DDR2-1000.
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I guess that's my hang up. I know I can get it to run at 500mhz at 400 w/ 2.5 ratio and that's fine. What I'd like to be able to do is run it at 500 in a 1:1 ratio; to me that's truly running at 500mhz. Doesn't the fsb have to slow down and wait when the ram is OC'd via ratios? I've always thought that max 1:1 is best and then use ratios to push the ram that little extra bit. I'm basically trying to find what my max 1:1 setting would be.
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I guess that's my hang up. I know I can get it to run at 500mhz at 400 w/ 2.5 ratio and that's fine. What I'd like to be able to do is run it at 500 in a 1:1 ratio; to me that's truly running at 500mhz. Doesn't the fsb have to slow down and wait when the ram is OC'd via ratios? I've always thought that max 1:1 is best and then use ratios to push the ram that little extra bit. I'm basically trying to find what my max 1:1 setting would be.

Max 1:1 is whatever you can get your board stable at.

Your RAM isn't going to be limiting you; your board will.

I'd suggest heading over to the mobo section & reading thru the UD3P thread to get an idea of what settings you need to work on.
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