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I just saw this today and thought I'd post it here for anyone interested.

https://www.realforce.co.jp/products/RFM01U11/

Shape-wise it looks like another Zowie EC clone which isn't super exciting given how many we have in different weights and sizes now (Skoll, Skoll Mini, ABKO A800 Hacker, Model D, Sharkoon Light² 200, Pwnage Ultra Custom just to name a few) but this one doesn't have any holes and and still has a respectable weight of 83g, and the capacitive switches could be interesting (or disappointing, who knows lol).

I know the Topre capacitive switches found in RealForce keyboards are popular in the enthusiast mechanical keyboard scene but I've never tried them myself so I'm not sure what it will be like on a mouse. This is the paragraph translated from their Japanese product page:

"FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THE WORLD, REALFORCE keyboards use capacitive contactless switches with approximately 19 years of experience as left and right mouse buttons. It not only has a structure that does not cause chatter and high durability of 50 million times or more, but also realizes a finger-friendly push feeling and silent sound called feather touch that other mice do not have. Unlike the microswitches used in general mice, the superb click sensation that does not give a strong repulsion or vibration to the finger reduces the fatigue of the finger."

Anyway, hope it was worth posting as I hadn't seen it mentioned here yet. Personally I think it's neat to see a Japanese company like RealForce/Topre come out with a pretty decent looking mouse, especially for their first mouse. It's made in Japan too which could be promising in terms of quality control, as opposed to 99% of current gaming mice which are made in China or Taiwan I think. I wonder what it will cost to buy though, and what availability will be like outside of Japan...
 

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Yes I saw this. But Canadian dollars are going really low now so I'm hesitating.

I just checked it's already sold out in the online stores like pc-koubou and ark-pc.
 

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Yes I saw this. But Canadian dollars are going really low now so I'm hesitating.

I just checked it's already sold out in the online stores like pc-koubou and ark-pc.
Oh man yeah the exchange rates are bad for a lot of us now. It certainly makes buying from overseas difficult. I saw the Canadian dollar today was something like 0.69 USD? I'm in Australia and the AUD was down below 0.57 USD this morning. It's the worst it's ever been for as long as I can remember.

Not sure if RealForce/Topre plan to release their mouse outside of Japan considering the product page doesn't even exist on their English website, but I guess we'll see. We have so many EC clones to choose from as it is though so there's not anything about it that really makes me want to buy it right away, but it is interesting to look at and read about.
 

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Pretty interesting. I'm a huge fan of topre switches, but I'm wondering how that'd work out in a mouse. Seems like either the travel distance would too long, or if properly short, the tactile feeling would be underwhelming.
 

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I found this video on Youtube, all the text is in Japanese so i can't read what it says but it's a pretty good sound comparison vs the GPW. Not sure how I feel about it, the primary clicks are much quieter than I expected. I wonder if there's any kind of sharp tactility or if it's going to feel like pressing a membrane button. It's hard to tell based on sound if it's going to feel like mush or just a "different" kind of tactility. Don't know if it's my kind of thing but it's certainly interesting when companies try new stuff like this.

 

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As a long-time Topre lover who has tried them all, I'd love a go at this mouse.
 

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I really like the fact that it's much more silent. But I'd have to feel the clicks first.

If the tactility was nice (or even passable), I'd probably look into buying one, as silence is very important to me on my peripherals.
 

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Interesting video, sounds like a really springy topre. I used the google translate app and this is what I could make out:

0:20 - Button Sound
0:45 - When pressed slowly, there is almost no sound.
0:55 - Button stroke is long, there is a feeling of bottoming out [unsure, google translate was rough on this]
1:10 - When you let go of the button, the spring inside makes a sound
1:15 - It's a light sound, you can't usually hear it unless you're close.
1:30 - There is [a] little play in the wheel. The steps are a bit weak.
1:40 - Bye bye [?]
2:00 - The wind is strong [re: side buttons, guessing clicks?]
2:15 - [demo of spamming the buttons]
2:45 - Top shell is plastic, sides are rubberized.


EDIT: Here's an article with pictures of the internals. Interesting looking switches.

https://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1238678.html
 

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Yes I saw this. But Canadian dollars are going really low now so I'm hesitating.

You should see our Convict Currency at this moment in time, it's totally worthless BUT it doesn't stop me in buying any hardware for the near future.

When you're addicted to the latest stuff, even the AUD can still purchase anything, although you would need a lot more of it (suitcase style).
 

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Hi guys. I want to share some impressions about this Realforce mouse. I just had it couple hours ago. I pre-order this in March but just got it today because of Covid-19 outbreak around the world.

So these mice suit someones who have small to medium right hands. The shell maybe made from pbt not abs so exterior shell could last very long, I know because I also have a Realforce Keyboard too so I have the same feeling when touching Realforce stuffs. The shell is little thin so that makes this mouse weights about 83gram. It has rough texture on the surface and rubber on the left and right so someones who are sweat, wet, oil hands could use these no problem. Very precise mouse from outside to inside and the sensor too. I mean it has beautiful layers from the outside to the inside like Japan goods you ever purchase that only Japanese brand could give you that feeling like Grand Seiko watches. Yes this mouse gives me that feeling with extremely beautiful, balanced, precise design. You can watch on the youtube that a Korean opened this mouse so you can see the boards inside not many mice have beautiful board layers like these.

This mouse is one of the fastest mouse (have low profile left and right buttons) that I have ever used and could be the fastest and the most precise mouse in my collection . Yes I am a mice collector. I have bought Logitech MX518 long long ago (this mouse has so beautiful shell but not precise as modern mice and a little heavy), G400s (this mouse is great but the sensor is okey, the shell wear off after heavily using couple years, a little heavy), G403 (this mouse has a very precise sensor but the shell is not great, it becomes sticky after one year heavily using, still a high mouse in my collection), Razer Imperator (this mouse sucks), Razer Deathadder Black edition (this mouse broke so fast after one year and yes one of the fastest mouse. I spam left and right buttons with this. Faster response than MX518,G400s and G403), Zowie ZA-12 (great mouse but bad quality switches and weird shape I bought it because I have couple sale off, double click after several months due to play DOTA 2 and CS:GO, the shell is sticky too but better quality and feel thicker than G403), Ducky One (a brand from Taiwan, to me this mouse is the very best mouse that I have ever bought, It's sturdy, reliable, a negative thing is heavy about 120gram, very precise sensor, true Japan Omrons made in Japanese, the shell is made from PBT. I know many Razer mice used China Omrons so they get double clicks easily).

Now going from ABS to PBT I do not want to go back to ABS again. Realforce stuff is overpriced but they're sturdy, durable, more reliable than most of brands in the market. These could last for many many years.
 

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The shell maybe made from pbt not abs so exterior shell could last very long, I know because I also have a Realforce Keyboard too so I have the same feeling when touching Realforce stuffs.

It's sturdy, reliable, a little bit heavy about 120gram, very precise sensor, true Japanese Omron made in Japanese, the shell is made from pbt. I know many Razer mice used China Omrons so they get double clicks easily).

Now going from abs to pbt I do not want to go back to abs again. Realforce stuff is overpriced but they're sturdy, more reliable than most of the brands in the market. These could last for many many years.

YES.

This will be my next purchase for sure :thumb: .

Thank you for the Heads Up here, much appreciated.
 

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Oh, finally a new "invention" for gaming mice: silent buttons :D
The question is whether they have the same actuation force and whether it's as spammable as clicky omrons.
Yes. These Realforce mice have low profile, easy to click left and right buttons, feel like you click on a rubber dome, smooth, can spam buttons easily. Very quiet mice except side buttons have clicky sound feeling. I am still not sure the shell is made from pbt or abs but I am certain of high quality shell, feel like you touching sandpaper. Could be the best mice shell that I ever have. You can game on these mice hours and hours without feeling slippy.

I will update later after heavily using this half of the year or one year.
 

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I am still not sure the shell is made from pbt or abs but I am certain of high quality shell, feel like you touching sandpaper. Could be the best mice shell that I ever have.

PBT will always be far superior to anything made in ABS, cheap and nasty plastic not worth ever using.

If all mice were made out of PBT, this would be heaven on Earth :thumb: .
 

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Okey. After a week sometimes I got jumps scroll wheel errors. But all errors just one or two notch down scroll wheel. Not a big deal. No mouse is perfect so if you want best mouse scroll wheel please exclude this mouse.

I tried to shaked the mouse horizontally and I can hear noise from inside the mouse. Something moving not sure maybe some parts from the mouse wheel.

Couple first days I did not know if I like the shell coat of this mouse or not but it's growing over time now I do like the feeling when holding this mouse than Ducky one.

Still the best mouse in my mice collection currently.
 

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Okey. After a week sometimes I got jumps scroll wheel errors. But all errors just one or two notch down scroll wheel. Not a big deal. No mouse is perfect so if you want best mouse scroll wheel please exclude this mouse.

I tried to shaked the mouse horizontally and I can hear noise from inside the mouse. Something moving not sure maybe some parts from the mouse wheel.

OH MY GAWD :doh:

Why does this always happen with expensive mice, they fail with the tiny addition of quality and feel. Definitely not worth the $400+ AUD they are currently asking on Flebay.

Looks like another release of a failed product joining Zowie and Razer for ongoing failures, truly sad.....
 

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$400+ AUD for this mouse is not worth and madness. Forget it. This mouse is overpriced I know but for more than quality this mouse is getting so far and maybe the greatest mice that I have ever used. Fastest, extremely precise sensor, extremely response mouse that I have ever bought. In game you rarely use the scroll wheel so this error can acceptable at least.
 

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In game you rarely use the scroll wheel so this error can acceptable at least.

The Scroll Wheel is just as important as any sensor or switch placement inside any mouse design, maybe even more so.

Using the Internet, Access and Excel constantly, requires a very reliable 'scroller' that never fails, no matter what task is given to it.

Hence why, I am stuck with a Roccat KAIN 102 series (dirt cheap). Simply is perfect for me at this stage in Life.
 

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Today I test the LOD (lift off distance) of RealForce mouse. Very impressive <= 1mm (maybe just a little tiny <1mm or it's just my measurement because I do not have CD/DVDs to test this exactly but using papers lol). This mouse has the best of LOD in my mice collection.

However just few days ago to today I can hear noise sometimes come from the shell when holding the mouse. It might be caused by holding the thin PBT shell I believe.

Hopefully Realforce will release the reversion B. I can see my version is A. This mouse is extremely amazing but still has few minor problems.
 

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So no other guys have bought these Realforce mice on this forum huh? Weird? This mouse is so extremely great. The more I use it the more I like it. It's not perfect but the best mouse that I have ever used. If money no cost, I would like to purchase another on in the future but I doubt it's would not happen because this mouse has great build quality, hard to guess when my mouse will get broken.

After over a month I conclude Realforce Mouse like: great PTB shell (better than Ducky One and lighter too), rubberized both like Razer Deathadder Black (I like that mouse a lot but it has Razer quality control sucks lol), extremely response (spam buttons, fast response). If you have extreme gaming mainboards and 144hz monitor or more I suggest you use it at 1000hz otherwise using 500hz for avoiding lag or skipping pixel movements.

The downside to now I think is the scroll wheel. Very precise but still have phantom jumps. Some strange noise when using it and I guess the PBT shell was not break in, but I less heard it after time. Another one could be for right hand user only. Ah and the price too, nearly $200 for a mouse is a negative problem for everyone want to experience this mouse.
 
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