Dlink dir-655?
Dlink Dir-825 have the G band and N band simultaneously
Dlink Dir-825 have the G band and N band simultaneously
Recommended router for QoS and PPPoA
Hi guys,
I need a router that is PPPoA compatible and has decent QoS functionality (house of bandwidth hogging P2P users
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). My linksys WAG354G tends to struggle even after some P2Ping has finished.
I saw suggestions for others to use WRT54GL with 3rd party firmware but was bummed out to hear it isn't PPPoA compatible so any other great routers out there?
It would also be preferable if it had a built in ADSL modem but if the router is outstanding then I don't mind getting a separate modem for it.
Thanks!
I need a router that is PPPoA compatible and has decent QoS functionality (house of bandwidth hogging P2P users
I saw suggestions for others to use WRT54GL with 3rd party firmware but was bummed out to hear it isn't PPPoA compatible so any other great routers out there?
It would also be preferable if it had a built in ADSL modem but if the router is outstanding then I don't mind getting a separate modem for it.
Thanks!
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Thanks Juggalo
655 looks awesome shame it is only for N band I have no such devices in the house
825 is a bit too much for a router
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655 looks awesome shame it is only for N band I have no such devices in the house
825 is a bit too much for a router
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655 is for g or N you just have to choose one
Originally Posted by mauguai  Thanks Juggalo 655 looks awesome shame it is only for N band I have no such devices in the house 825 is a bit too much for a router
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I am not really good on modems, hopefully another member can assist you on that
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Originally Posted by mauguai Excellent! Would you happen to recommend any ADSL modems in particular? |
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Bummer i've just read that the 655 has no PPPoA support!
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It's normal. Usually, you can use an ADSL modem connected to a separated router by an ethernet cable only with PPPoE. With PPPoA you have to use an integrated modem+router (this is valid generally, but other solution are possible).
When you have an ADSL modem and a separated router, in order to avoid a double NAT and double DHCP, the modem is usually configured in 'full bridge', ie, the modem only reads the ADSL flow, extracts the packets from it and sends them directly to the router that performs all the other work (NAT, firewall, etc).
Since the modem doesn't do much translation, the packets received from the ISP are transmitted to the router using the inner connection. If the router and the modem are separated and connected using an ethernet, the packets have to be transported by the ethernet. If the packets are PPPoE (PPP packets encapsulated into an Ethernet packet) it's all ok, but if them are of type PPPoA (PPP over ATM, the NORMAL ADSL packets... also PPPoE is transmitted using ATM) you can't transmits them over the ethernet cable.
I read of some special ADSL modems capable to translate PPPoA into PPPoE packets still using the full bridge mode (ad example some Draytek's). It's called PPPoE to PPPoA bridging (or pass through).
Usually, the 'normal' ethernet modems aren't capable to do full bridging in PPPoA mode.
In this case, you can still try another mode called 'half bridge'.
You can find more info on the web, ad example at this address, or this.
If you try the half bridge, remember that usually the problems aren't caused by the modem but by the router (the incompatibility of some routers to correctly manage the 'half bridge' trick; a return address placed outside of the netmask).
I'm actually using the 'half bridge' trick with a Netgear DM111P ethernet modem connected to a Mikrotik RB433AH Routerboard.
I read on forums that a lot of Netgear Routers (usually good routers) have incompatibility problems with the 'half bridge', so take a look on the several forums on the web before to buy a specific router.
An integrated ADSL modem + router is much more simple solution, but sometime the separated version is necessary. My old Netgear DG834PN router was a relatively good router, but it was unable to manage my ADSL traffic (a lot of opened connections) and was necessary to manually reboot it almost every day. Usually the best router doesn't have a modem integrated and the separated solution is the only possible.
Originally Posted by mauguai Bummer i've just read that the 655 has no PPPoA support!
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When you have an ADSL modem and a separated router, in order to avoid a double NAT and double DHCP, the modem is usually configured in 'full bridge', ie, the modem only reads the ADSL flow, extracts the packets from it and sends them directly to the router that performs all the other work (NAT, firewall, etc).
Since the modem doesn't do much translation, the packets received from the ISP are transmitted to the router using the inner connection. If the router and the modem are separated and connected using an ethernet, the packets have to be transported by the ethernet. If the packets are PPPoE (PPP packets encapsulated into an Ethernet packet) it's all ok, but if them are of type PPPoA (PPP over ATM, the NORMAL ADSL packets... also PPPoE is transmitted using ATM) you can't transmits them over the ethernet cable.
I read of some special ADSL modems capable to translate PPPoA into PPPoE packets still using the full bridge mode (ad example some Draytek's). It's called PPPoE to PPPoA bridging (or pass through).
Usually, the 'normal' ethernet modems aren't capable to do full bridging in PPPoA mode.
In this case, you can still try another mode called 'half bridge'.
You can find more info on the web, ad example at this address, or this.
If you try the half bridge, remember that usually the problems aren't caused by the modem but by the router (the incompatibility of some routers to correctly manage the 'half bridge' trick; a return address placed outside of the netmask).
I'm actually using the 'half bridge' trick with a Netgear DM111P ethernet modem connected to a Mikrotik RB433AH Routerboard.
I read on forums that a lot of Netgear Routers (usually good routers) have incompatibility problems with the 'half bridge', so take a look on the several forums on the web before to buy a specific router.
An integrated ADSL modem + router is much more simple solution, but sometime the separated version is necessary. My old Netgear DG834PN router was a relatively good router, but it was unable to manage my ADSL traffic (a lot of opened connections) and was necessary to manually reboot it almost every day. Usually the best router doesn't have a modem integrated and the separated solution is the only possible.
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Thanks pippolo that was some very good technical info! Based on your reply I looked up the Draytek modems and while quite expensive I can pair that with the WRT54GL which has received the praise of many. This combination will work fine on PPPoA signal ISPs according to the comments I have read on broadbandbuyer.co.uk.
Although this slightly exceeds my budget of £100 it certainly does seem promising
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Originally Posted by pippolo It's normal. Usually, you can use an ADSL modem connected to a separated router by an ethernet cable only with PPPoE. With PPPoA you have to use an integrated modem+router (this is valid generally, but other solution are possible). When you have an ADSL modem and a separated router, in order to avoid a double NAT and double DHCP, the modem is usually configured in 'full bridge', ie, the modem only reads the ADSL flow, extracts the packets from it and sends them directly to the router that performs all the other work (NAT, firewall, etc). Since the modem doesn't do much translation, the packets received from the ISP are transmitted to the router using the inner connection. If the router and the modem are separated and connected using an ethernet, the packets have to be transported by the ethernet. If the packets are PPPoE (PPP packets encapsulated into an Ethernet packet) it's all ok, but if them are of type PPPoA (PPP over ATM, the NORMAL ADSL packets... also PPPoE is transmitted using ATM) you can't transmits them over the ethernet cable. I read of some special ADSL modems capable to translate PPPoA into PPPoE packets still using the full bridge mode (ad example some Draytek's). It's called PPPoE to PPPoA bridging (or pass through). Usually, the 'normal' ethernet modems aren't capable to do full bridging in PPPoA mode. In this case, you can still try another mode called 'half bridge'. You can find more info on the web, ad example at this address, or this. If you try the half bridge, remember that usually the problems aren't caused by the modem but by the router (the incompatibility of some routers to correctly manage the 'half bridge' trick; a return address placed outside of the netmask). I'm actually using the 'half bridge' trick with a Netgear DM111P ethernet modem connected to a Mikrotik RB433AH Routerboard. I read on forums that a lot of Netgear Routers (usually good routers) have incompatibility problems with the 'half bridge', so take a look on the several forums on the web before to buy a specific router. An integrated ADSL modem + router is much more simple solution, but sometime the separated version is necessary. My old Netgear DG834PN router was a relatively good router, but it was unable to manage my ADSL traffic (a lot of opened connections) and was necessary to manually reboot it almost every day. Usually the best router doesn't have a modem integrated and the separated solution is the only possible. |
Although this slightly exceeds my budget of £100 it certainly does seem promising
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