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http://www.dazmode.com/store/product/raystorm-750-rs240-watercooling-kit-intel-and-amd-computers/

I'd rather get that.
The H220's performance isn't that great (TTL review) and Tom really has a good point.

On topic: Beginning of March? Pre-order on NCIX
Ah, the "Trusting the Tom" thing, coming out in another thread...

His review was as full of crap as my toddler's suits.
Messing with the fans and not using the stockers as described?
comparing it to the H100i, which is a SEALED loop system, when the H220 is an EXPANDABLE system?
There's a DOZEN other points that can be contended, but the best part is remembering that he's sponsored by Corsair.

As for AMAZON: Swiftech does not have a seller's arrangement with them, so no dice there.
FrozenCPU and one or two others, as well as (obviously) Swiftech themselves will have them available starting next week.

See this thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1345816/various-swiftech-h220-240mm-aio-water-cooler-expandable/2130#post_19406323

For details, questions and answers from ST reps, and the controversy and response to Tom's (dismally performed) review.

Thanks - T
 

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Ah, the "Trusting the Tom" thing, coming out in another thread...

His review was as full of crap as my toddler's suits.
Messing with the fans and not using the stockers as described?
comparing it to the H100i, which is a SEALED loop system, when the H220 is an EXPANDABLE system?
There's a DOZEN other points that can be contended, but the best part is remembering that he's sponsored by Corsair.

As for AMAZON: Swiftech does not have a seller's arrangement with them, so no dice there.
FrozenCPU and one or two others, as well as (obviously) Swiftech themselves will have them available starting next week.

See this thread:
http://www.overclock.net/t/1345816/various-swiftech-h220-240mm-aio-water-cooler-expandable/2130#post_19406323

For details, questions and answers from ST reps, and the controversy and response to Tom's (dismally performed) review.

Thanks - T

Dont quite get where the H100i came into play when he posted a raystorm kit.....
 

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Ah, the "Trusting the Tom" thing, coming out in another thread...

His review was as full of crap as my toddler's suits.
Messing with the fans and not using the stockers as described?
comparing it to the H100i, which is a SEALED loop system, when the H220 is an EXPANDABLE system?
There's a DOZEN other points that can be contended, but the best part is remembering that he's sponsored by Corsair.
messing with the fans how ? he had them at 12v that would be the best speed they could go thus the best performance

comparing it to the H100i swiftech are selling it as an AIO with the option to expand
 

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messing with the fans how ? he had them at 12v that would be the best speed they could go thus the best performance

comparing it to the H100i swiftech are selling it as an AIO with the option to expand
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Dont quite get where the H100i came into play when he posted a raystorm kit.....
Exactly...

I'm getting the EX360 kit with the D5 variant pump and 6 black compression fittings with more than enough tubing.
The H220 goes for 149$ on NCIX, while the RS240 goes for 160$ on Dazmode.
 

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AS POSTED BY GABRIEL R. FROM SWIFTECH:

Dear Forum members, in response Mr Tom Logan's review on overclock3d.net, I have the following comments which I would like to share with you here.

I. On the subject of Performance of the H220 relative to Corsair H100i on the 2011 platform at approximately equal fan speed.

Our observations are as follows:

Possible factor #1 - operating fan speed : Swiftech was tested at fixed 12v (1800 rpm) and Corsair H100i was tested in Balanced mode.

According to Corsair, I cite:

"The "Low Noise", "Balanced", and "High Performance" settings are not strict fan RPMs, but performance curves that let the fans spin up based on internal coolant temp. Their settings are as follows:

Low Noise - 900 RPM to 1300 RPM
Balanced - 1300 RPM to 2000 RPM
High Perf - 1600 RPM to 2600 RPM"

Therefore, because of the high heat load generated by this particular processor (150W +++) it is possible/likely that the Corsair fans operated at their maximum of 2000 RPM in such balanced mode (versus the H220 1800 RPM), which certainly could account for a 2C loss for the Swiftech unit against the Corsair.

Possible factor #2 -Thermal compound - Assuming that all units were tested with the same thermal compound

In our own lab testing, and at high temperature loads, we have measured more than 2C difference between our TIM-Mate 2 and Corsair's pre-applied compound. So by testing the units with a better compound than the original pre-applied stuff, this could artificially boost performance of the Corsair by up to 2C, which is not representative of the product performance "as shipped".

For further clarifications, Swiftech's position on the subject matter of doing comparative testing/reviews of AIO units is that they should be tested in two stages, and the relevant data reported to readers as follows:
1. "as received", based on the rationale that the vast majority of these products is sold to first time users who do not generally replace the thermal compound, particularly when it is pre-applied, and
2. with the same thermal compound so as to establish the thermal characteristics of the product using the same baseline, which provides additional information to the more advanced users.

For the record, all comparative test data published by Swiftech is based on item 1 in accordance with the above stated belief.

Conclusions:

Both of the above factors combined yield up to 4C or more in favor of the Corsair. When readjusted downwards as such, the data would be consistent with our own testing at +/- 1C. In effect, we observed in our lab that the Corsair H100i unit performed substantially better than the earlier H100 version on the Socket LGA 2011 platform compared to 1155 and 1366, and came close (by 1.7C) to the performance of our H220 at equal fan speed on this particular platform.

II. On the subject of Expandability and other matters

• We noticed a factual error in Mr Logan's presentation, and would like to correct it; he says erroneously and I cite: "it is technically a DDC". As explained at length in our video presentations the pump is entirely Swiftech developed and Swiftech manufactured. It is not "Technically" a Laing Made DDC.
• We cannot respond in details to Mr Logan's comments on the subject of our kit's expandability, such as adding a VGA in particular, becasue the opinions expressed by Mr Logan are not backed by factual data. We can only state that we DEMONSTRATED the product to be fully expandable to a full panel of media specialists during CES.

III. On the subject of tubing length
We could not but notice Mr Logans' extreme frustration regarding the above subject matter. What we can respond with is this:
o as far as the primary target user is concerned (first time user), we intentionally supply longer tubing than other AIO kits with the H220 because we genuinely believe that it will provide more choices to users in terms of installation of the product in their case, such as frontal installation, or installation at the bottom of the case.
o As far as the DIY enthusiast user is concerned, our decision was based on the rationale that the H220 tubing can be replaced at will by such users.

We want to thank overclock3D.net for granting a Gold Award to the H220 CPU cooler, and hope that the above commentaries will further assist users in deciding which kit is right for them.

Gabriel Rouchon
CEO

As for your specific questions:
He compared this setup to multiple others, not just one.
He utilized the fans and pump running at full speed, then claimed that they were "noisy" compared to other AIO units.
He griped about the tubing, but forgot, somehow, that this was made to be modified.
Also citing a 2011 CPU for temps is a bit silly, when that's a notoriously hot burner.

Seeing as how he's bought and paid for by the competition, I'll be content to wait for Martin to finish his "walking test", thank you very much.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2013/01/27/swiftech-h220-prefilled-2x120mm-water-cooling-kit/

Definitely NOT going to let the lack of credibility sway me, or anyone that will listen.
rolleyes.gif

Just my 2c, but I did want to repost Gabe's response over at the Swiftech thread, and let ya'll see that!

Thanks - T
 

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AS POSTED BY GABRIEL R. FROM SWIFTECH:

Dear Forum members, in response Mr Tom Logan's review on overclock3d.net, I have the following comments which I would like to share with you here.

I. On the subject of Performance of the H220 relative to Corsair H100i on the 2011 platform at approximately equal fan speed.

Our observations are as follows:

Possible factor #1 - operating fan speed : Swiftech was tested at fixed 12v (1800 rpm) and Corsair H100i was tested in Balanced mode.

According to Corsair, I cite:

"The "Low Noise", "Balanced", and "High Performance" settings are not strict fan RPMs, but performance curves that let the fans spin up based on internal coolant temp. Their settings are as follows:

Low Noise - 900 RPM to 1300 RPM
Balanced - 1300 RPM to 2000 RPM
High Perf - 1600 RPM to 2600 RPM"

Therefore, because of the high heat load generated by this particular processor (150W +++) it is possible/likely that the Corsair fans operated at their maximum of 2000 RPM in such balanced mode (versus the H220 1800 RPM), which certainly could account for a 2C loss for the Swiftech unit against the Corsair.

Possible factor #2 -Thermal compound - Assuming that all units were tested with the same thermal compound

In our own lab testing, and at high temperature loads, we have measured more than 2C difference between our TIM-Mate 2 and Corsair's pre-applied compound. So by testing the units with a better compound than the original pre-applied stuff, this could artificially boost performance of the Corsair by up to 2C, which is not representative of the product performance "as shipped".

For further clarifications, Swiftech's position on the subject matter of doing comparative testing/reviews of AIO units is that they should be tested in two stages, and the relevant data reported to readers as follows:
1. "as received", based on the rationale that the vast majority of these products is sold to first time users who do not generally replace the thermal compound, particularly when it is pre-applied, and
2. with the same thermal compound so as to establish the thermal characteristics of the product using the same baseline, which provides additional information to the more advanced users.

For the record, all comparative test data published by Swiftech is based on item 1 in accordance with the above stated belief.

Conclusions:

Both of the above factors combined yield up to 4C or more in favor of the Corsair. When readjusted downwards as such, the data would be consistent with our own testing at +/- 1C. In effect, we observed in our lab that the Corsair H100i unit performed substantially better than the earlier H100 version on the Socket LGA 2011 platform compared to 1155 and 1366, and came close (by 1.7C) to the performance of our H220 at equal fan speed on this particular platform.

II. On the subject of Expandability and other matters

• We noticed a factual error in Mr Logan's presentation, and would like to correct it; he says erroneously and I cite: "it is technically a DDC". As explained at length in our video presentations the pump is entirely Swiftech developed and Swiftech manufactured. It is not "Technically" a Laing Made DDC.
• We cannot respond in details to Mr Logan's comments on the subject of our kit's expandability, such as adding a VGA in particular, becasue the opinions expressed by Mr Logan are not backed by factual data. We can only state that we DEMONSTRATED the product to be fully expandable to a full panel of media specialists during CES.

III. On the subject of tubing length
We could not but notice Mr Logans' extreme frustration regarding the above subject matter. What we can respond with is this:
o as far as the primary target user is concerned (first time user), we intentionally supply longer tubing than other AIO kits with the H220 because we genuinely believe that it will provide more choices to users in terms of installation of the product in their case, such as frontal installation, or installation at the bottom of the case.
o As far as the DIY enthusiast user is concerned, our decision was based on the rationale that the H220 tubing can be replaced at will by such users.

We want to thank overclock3D.net for granting a Gold Award to the H220 CPU cooler, and hope that the above commentaries will further assist users in deciding which kit is right for them.

Gabriel Rouchon
CEO

As for your specific questions:
He compared this setup to multiple others, not just one.
He utilized the fans and pump running at full speed, then claimed that they were "noisy" compared to other AIO units.
He griped about the tubing, but forgot, somehow, that this was made to be modified.
Also citing a 2011 CPU for temps is a bit silly, when that's a notoriously hot burner.

Seeing as how he's bought and paid for by the competition, I'll be content to wait for Martin to finish his "walking test", thank you very much.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2013/01/27/swiftech-h220-prefilled-2x120mm-water-cooling-kit/

Definitely NOT going to let the lack of credibility sway me, or anyone that will listen.
rolleyes.gif

Just my 2c, but I did want to repost Gabe's response over at the Swiftech thread, and let ya'll see that!

Thanks - T

Yea....Maybe its my 32 hours without sleep but, I MUST BE MISSING SOMETHING. Still confused what your talking about lols.
 

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so he didn't mess with the fans he let the h220 and the h100i perform to their best and the h100i won how is that a crap review?

a link swiftech have on their H220 page for their fair comparison of h220 to h100i
http://www.xcpus.com/reviews/corsair-h100i-vs-the-swiftech-h220
it's done on different systems and cases yet they have this in front of the link Compared to Corsair's H100i: tell me which review is more fair
 

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AS POSTED BY GABRIEL R. FROM SWIFTECH:
Dear Forum members, in response Mr Tom Logan's review on overclock3d.net, I have the following comments which I would like to share with you here.

I. On the subject of Performance of the H220 relative to Corsair H100i on the 2011 platform at approximately equal fan speed.

Our observations are as follows:

Possible factor #1 - operating fan speed : Swiftech was tested at fixed 12v (1800 rpm) and Corsair H100i was tested in Balanced mode.

According to Corsair, I cite:

"The "Low Noise", "Balanced", and "High Performance" settings are not strict fan RPMs, but performance curves that let the fans spin up based on internal coolant temp. Their settings are as follows:

Low Noise - 900 RPM to 1300 RPM
Balanced - 1300 RPM to 2000 RPM
High Perf - 1600 RPM to 2600 RPM"

Therefore, because of the high heat load generated by this particular processor (150W +++) it is possible/likely that the Corsair fans operated at their maximum of 2000 RPM in such balanced mode (versus the H220 1800 RPM), which certainly could account for a 2C loss for the Swiftech unit against the Corsair.

Possible factor #2 -Thermal compound - Assuming that all units were tested with the same thermal compound

In our own lab testing, and at high temperature loads, we have measured more than 2C difference between our TIM-Mate 2 and Corsair's pre-applied compound. So by testing the units with a better compound than the original pre-applied stuff, this could artificially boost performance of the Corsair by up to 2C, which is not representative of the product performance "as shipped".

For further clarifications, Swiftech's position on the subject matter of doing comparative testing/reviews of AIO units is that they should be tested in two stages, and the relevant data reported to readers as follows:
1. "as received", based on the rationale that the vast majority of these products is sold to first time users who do not generally replace the thermal compound, particularly when it is pre-applied, and
2. with the same thermal compound so as to establish the thermal characteristics of the product using the same baseline, which provides additional information to the more advanced users.

For the record, all comparative test data published by Swiftech is based on item 1 in accordance with the above stated belief.

Conclusions:

Both of the above factors combined yield up to 4C or more in favor of the Corsair. When readjusted downwards as such, the data would be consistent with our own testing at +/- 1C. In effect, we observed in our lab that the Corsair H100i unit performed substantially better than the earlier H100 version on the Socket LGA 2011 platform compared to 1155 and 1366, and came close (by 1.7C) to the performance of our H220 at equal fan speed on this particular platform.

II. On the subject of Expandability and other matters

• We noticed a factual error in Mr Logan's presentation, and would like to correct it; he says erroneously and I cite: "it is technically a DDC". As explained at length in our video presentations the pump is entirely Swiftech developed and Swiftech manufactured. It is not "Technically" a Laing Made DDC.
• We cannot respond in details to Mr Logan's comments on the subject of our kit's expandability, such as adding a VGA in particular, becasue the opinions expressed by Mr Logan are not backed by factual data. We can only state that we DEMONSTRATED the product to be fully expandable to a full panel of media specialists during CES.

III. On the subject of tubing length
We could not but notice Mr Logans' extreme frustration regarding the above subject matter. What we can respond with is this:
o as far as the primary target user is concerned (first time user), we intentionally supply longer tubing than other AIO kits with the H220 because we genuinely believe that it will provide more choices to users in terms of installation of the product in their case, such as frontal installation, or installation at the bottom of the case.
o As far as the DIY enthusiast user is concerned, our decision was based on the rationale that the H220 tubing can be replaced at will by such users.

We want to thank overclock3D.net for granting a Gold Award to the H220 CPU cooler, and hope that the above commentaries will further assist users in deciding which kit is right for them.

Gabriel Rouchon
CEO

As for your specific questions:
He compared this setup to multiple others, not just one.
He utilized the fans and pump running at full speed, then claimed that they were "noisy" compared to other AIO units.
He griped about the tubing, but forgot, somehow, that this was made to be modified.
Also citing a 2011 CPU for temps is a bit silly, when that's a notoriously hot burner.

Seeing as how he's bought and paid for by the competition, I'll be content to wait for Martin to finish his "walking test", thank you very much.

http://martinsliquidlab.org/2013/01/27/swiftech-h220-prefilled-2x120mm-water-cooling-kit/

Definitely NOT going to let the lack of credibility sway me, or anyone that will listen.
rolleyes.gif

Just my 2c, but I did want to repost Gabe's response over at the Swiftech thread, and let ya'll see that!

Thanks - T
So, the Corsair H100i is constantly on sale for around 110$ or less.
That's 39$ less than what the H220 costs. It performs better, looks a bit better for a cheaper price.
If you want to expand the loop, why not just go with full watercooling in the first place?
With the H220, if you were to expand, you won't have any fittings to work with, tubing, coolant etc. With a kit (like the RS240), at least you have a res, some tubing, and some fittings to work with.
IMO, just pointless if you want to go custom loop in the future.
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so he didn't mess with the fans he let the h220 and the h100i perform to their best and the h100i won how is that a crap review?

a link swiftech have on their H220 page for their fair comparison of h220 to h100i
http://www.xcpus.com/reviews/corsair-h100i-vs-the-swiftech-h220
it's done on different systems and cases yet they have this in front of the link Compared to Corsair's H100i: tell me which review is more fair
They had the H220 is the RV02, that case is amazing, since the 90 degree rotation makes for airflow that "makes sense" (according to silverstone). But the H100i was in the 650D, which doesn't have as much room nor the airflow as the RV02 does.
http://www.xcpus.com/reviews/swiftech-h220-with-gpu-loop-added/2
I was like "say what?" in this review.
I understand that this is a universal GPU block, but hitting 65C on the GPU at load (only 15C diff from air cooler), isn't "good performance" at all. 10/10 is every category is just exaggerated in my opinion
 

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Im still completely lost where anyone recommended the H100i....
I'd go with the H100i if someone didn't want to go full watercooling.
But if they can't decide, I would say that they should go make a chart of pros and cons and decide to go custom loop or a sealed loop.
No need to go to the gray area if the black and white areas are for the taking right there.

More at the review on xcups

"Pro: Extremely easy to add to existing loop | Does not void warranty
Con: Refilling loop may scare beginners away"

Is that the only con people there could come up with? Really?
That should be in the conclusion or a forewarning or piece of advice, not a con...
These guys aren't newbies, so they shouldn't have even touched on that in a review about performance.
What about the temps? Was that a pro or a con?
There's more than just one good thing and one bad thing.
Yes, they include info in the article, but they never mention anything bad about the H220.
 

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I actually don't agree on toms bit about getting a kit over this my reasons:

1 if you are not sure about AIO or custom this has both choices
2 if you decide to go custom and do gpu the price between this and a kit is the price of another rad so all you need pay for is the block and a couple of 3/8 5/8 fittings and tubing
 

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I actually don't agree on toms bit about getting a kit over this my reasons:

1 if you are not sure about AIO or custom this has both choices
2 if you decide to go custom and do gpu the price between this and a kit is the price of another rad so all you need pay for is the block and a couple of 3/8 5/8 fittings and tubing
I don't recall him mentioning a kit. He said loop.
I'm saying that a kit would be better IMO.

Also, the temps with a GPU block, aren't impressive.
 

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and that the response I get when I mention that link on their site it's called silence 3 times now
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I don't recall him mentioning a kit. He said loop.
I'm saying that a kit would be better IMO.
my mistake been a couple of days since I watched it but I can see the value of having this
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so is tom sponsored by Corsair ey??
yes

and swiftech have moaned about his review about fans and him changing the thermal paste yet they have links on their site for comparisons between the h220 and h100i that have

http://www.overclockers.com/swiftech-h220-lcs-all-in-one-water-cooler-review
For comparison data, I recruited the help of BMWBAXTER to provide data on the Noctua NH-D14 and the Corsair H100i
All testing was done in a room at 74 °F (25 °C) and we chose Arctic Silver Ceramique 2 as the thermal interface material

So it seems it's ok if the results show what they want lol
 

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ok, i was looking at several coolers now

I have a phantom 410 case

The:
H100i
H80i
Kraken x40
RayStorm 750 RS240 WaterCooling Kit
H220

I am thinking of getting the h100i or h80i because then seem to have the best price ratio out of these unless if i hear differently

which one would you recommend and what speeds should i be able to hit with that cooler while still staying at reasonable temps
 

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ok, i was looking at several coolers now

I have a phantom 410 case

The:
H100i
H80i
Kraken x40
RayStorm 750 RS240 WaterCooling Kit
H220

I am thinking of getting the h100i or h80i because then seem to have the best price ratio out of these unless if i hear differently

which one would you recommend and what speeds should i be able to hit with that cooler while still staying at reasonable temps
I have an H80i in my Phantom 410, but I would rather get the RS240 or the H100i.

Corsair's customer service has been really great for me, and I get messages and updates daily from them, and it only took a few hours to respond.
 
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