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<span style="font-size:small;">As a friendly reminder, discussion of stealing copyrighted material (i.e., piracy) is against the Overclock.Net <a href="http://www.overclock.net/view.php?pg=rulestos" target="_blank">terms of service</a>. What constitutes "piracy" may not be clear to everyone; but from this site's perspective, the line is very clear: anything that is a violation of the law, whether you believe that the law if just, fair, or whatever, is a violation of the ToS.<br><br>
There was <a href="http://www.overclock.net/windows/95814-software-piracy-discussion.html" target="_blank">a thread in the Windows forum</a> a few months ago that gave some specific examples of what is considered piracy. I encourage everyone to read that thread. For convenience's sake, I have also lifted and slightly modified BFRD's examples from that post, putting a slight gaming-specific perspective where appropriate.<br><br>
A non-exhaustive list of things that should not be discussed:</span>
<ul><li><span style="font-size:small;">Any software that disables copy protection and/or disc encryption. This includes any sort of no-cd or other crack program for games and DVD copying software. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act of 2001 explicitly outlaws these types of programs.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:small;">Any discussion of software that invalidates Shareware/Trialware restrictions.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:small;">Offering to PM a member a serial number or crack, or asking for same.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:small;">Any unauthorized use of corporate software.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:small;">Using BitTorrent or other P2P networks to optain copyrighted software, music, movies, etc.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:small;">Downloading any copyrighted media (games, music, movies, whatever) without the artist's permission.</span></li>
</ul><span style="font-size:small;">Two gaming specific notes about that last bullet:</span>
<ul><li><span style="font-size:small;">It includes game ROMs used by emulators, downloading ROMs over the internet is illegal. Note however that the emulators themselves are perfectly legal, since they are independently developed software. So you can talk about emulators, just don't talk about acquiring ROMs.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size:small;">It also includes old games. There is no legal concept of "abandonware" despite what you may have seen on web sites devoted to the subject. Unless the original copyright holder explicitly permits redistribution of the old software as "freeware" or, less likely, public domain software, then it remains subject to copyright law.</span></li>
</ul><span style="font-size:small;">By making sure we keep the site free of potentially illegal discussion, we can ensure that Overclock.Net is here for us to enjoy for a long time to come. Thanks everyone.<br></span>
 

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I agree, oc.net should not be a place for discussion for theft of any kind. Im sure there are other forums dedicated to the art of copyright infringement.<br>
This is not PIRACY.net<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Thumb">
 

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And there is a lot of legitimate reasons to use these file sharing programs, i personally use it to download previously aired tv shows as i just can't get the time to watch tv
 

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Look fellas/fellowettes...<br />
You get the point that Vulcan is making....no discussions about these topics while on the site...got it?<br />
And for those of you who seem too <b>dim </b>to understand that every thread posted here is not for you to joke around with and play games and :turd: <img src="/images/smilies/sozo.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Sozo" class="inlineimg" /> ,<br />
you need to get a grip.<br />
This isn't an open debate on "If what I'm doing is pirating"...and I don't see where that was stated.<br />
This place is outta control sometimes.<img src="/images/smilies/cool.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Cool" class="inlineimg" />
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">I'm doing "piracy" in the manner, with things that aren't aired anymore or aren't made commerically (anymore) is acceptable to "pirate".</div>

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</div>Like I said, your personal beliefs about what's "fair", "just", or whatever are largely irrelevant here on this particular issue. Sometimes I agree with people's personal positions on the matter, sometimes I don't. But I will <i>always</i> err on the side of caution when handing out warnings. We're protecting Overclock.Net, after all, not making a personal statement.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">This isn't an open debate on "If what I'm doing is pirating"...and I don't see where that was stated.</div>

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</div>Exactly right, thanks. I left the thread open for discussion so that people could ask clarifying questions, if necessary, which I and the other directors will be happy to answer. I will continue to do so, but please keep future posts on that track. Thanks.
 

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this is to keep the image and survival of the site i imagine? i'm willing to bet more than half of the people here pirate software and files. it's one of those don't ask/don't tell things, we don't talk about it but we know we all do it. am i right in this?
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">this is to keep the image and survival of the site i imagine? i'm willing to bet more than half of the people here pirate software and files. it's one of those don't ask/don't tell things, we don't talk about it but we know we all do it. am i right in this?</div>
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I don't quite get the purpose of this post. Just read the first post and it'll answer everything <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile">. Downloading files you have to pay for and don't own is illegal. Talking about them on forums or even giving out links to download sites would be considered illegal. OC.Net could get in trouble etc. And about your question, just think about it. I don't think its to hard to answer your own question.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">this is to keep the image and survival of the site i imagine? i'm willing to bet more than half of the people here pirate software and files. it's one of those don't ask/don't tell things, we don't talk about it but we know we all do it. am i right in this?</div>
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Even if you do such things you just dont talk about it here.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">this is to keep the image and survival of the site i imagine? i'm willing to bet more than half of the people here pirate software and files. it's one of those don't ask/don't tell things, we don't talk about it but we know we all do it. am i right in this?</div>
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The first rule of "Fight Club" is, you don't talk about Fight Club.<br><br>
Same goes with piracy. No matter how we tarnish our computers, or use them legitimately, we still stall out on finding that rare gem that wasn't ours and decide to contemplate the idea of how to acquire. Whether or not you did is not of anyone else's business.... leave it at that.<br><br>
I wouldn't be open with my sex life to strangers. Why do it with my programming, etc? The things I DO own, and DO use regularly, I DO offer help for. Those programs I PAID for, which others have or have not for their own, I know not. Hardware, yes.... easy to discuss..... where to get the latest WPA patch, you've got me by the gonads on that one.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Even if you do such things you just dont talk about it here.</div>

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</div>That's the best approach. We're not your mommy, we're not here to teach you right from wrong or to hold your hand while you cross the Information Superhighway. If someone wants to do something that they know is wrong, we're not going to stop you. Just don't involve OCN in any way. No talking about it, no clever hints, certainly no outright links, etc. (Not in PMs either, by the way.) <br />
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The rule of thumb I use when deciding whether to issue an Infraction is simple: do I perceive any risk of liability, however small, to this site? If the answer is yes, you're going to get dinged. So my advice is to always err on the side of safety. If you're even wondering to yourself whether a comment might be questionable...keep it to yourself!
 

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Guys - I have seen this topic come up several times in the last few days. If you think that no-cd cracks are legal just because you own the retail game, you are seriously misinformed. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act of 2001 explicitly forbids any bypassing of copy protection schemes...it does not matter whether you own the software or not. Does this contradict common fair-use practices of allowing a single backup? Yes. Does that mean it's okay to do it because? No. Just because laws contradict does not invalidate those laws, at least not until the courts decide otherwise.<br />
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To protect this site, discussion of illegal activities is forbidden. OCN is not taking a stance one way or the other on the many debates that could be made; we just want to stay within the confines of the law. So on the subject of NO-CD cracks:<ul><li>Do not ask where to find them</li>
<li>Do not post links where to find them</li>
<li>Do not recommend their use to another member</li>
</ul>In short, do not talk about them in any way, shape, or form. If you see someone violating this rule, please report the post...do not engage in the conversation, not even to say "That's against the ToS".<br />
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Apparently not everyone is reading the Software Piracy sticky, or I would not have had to post this. I am going to keep this alive in the "main" section of the forum for a few days to try and get it in front of more eyes. If you're reading this and have not read the Piracy sticky, please do so.
 

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Stuck it Vulcan, get it up here where it wont be pushed down the list. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Thumb">
 

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one question<br />
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If the program/file is yours and you are backing it up (for YOUR use) is that wrong to discuss here? I am just making sure.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">one question<br><br>
If the program/file is yours and you are backing it up (for YOUR use) is that wrong to discuss here? I am just making sure.</div>
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This is where the law seems to contradict itself. According to copyright law, you are allowed to make a backup copy of your software for archival purposes. However, if the program has copy protection on it (e.g. requiring a CD in the drive), then the Digital Millenium Copyright Act makes it is illegal to bypass or break that copy protection. So since your backup copy is probably not usable without some sort of crack to bypass the protection, then your backup is technically useless.<br><br>
So that's the framework for discussion. Backups, yes. Cracking or otherwise bypassing the protection schemes so that you can actually <i>play</i> your backups, no. Crazy world, eh? This is why I believe so strongly against DRM and other pretection schemes...they're just too anti-consumer. But that's the world we live in, so that's the rules we have to abide by here.
 

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Thank you for clearing some of this up. <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/thumb.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Thumb">
 

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Ah I found the thread I was looking for.<br><br><div style="text-align:center;"><img alt="" src="http://www.ricesigns.com/real_pictures/bump_signs.jpg" style="border:0px solid;"></div>
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Remember if you post about how to pirate something it's OCN that takes the heat. And you wouldn't want OCN to suffer now would you? Think before you post!
 

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Well deserved bump!
 
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