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You mean not after one of the largest enthusiast computer forums on the web?
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You mean not after one of the largest enthusiast computer forums on the web?</div>
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They can't touch you if there are no links DUH!!!!!! Besides even if there were links there wouldn't be that many they have bigger fish to fry.
 

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i agree mr. spock, live long and prosper.
 

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Wow you guys can taunt like this? I guess I must learn the subtle differences between taunt/insult/cute/clever/insightful/boorish?<br><br>
I guess the Vulcan might be in a correct formal manner. Be trying to express for the sake of example?<br><br>
It is one thing to spit on the sidewalk. It may be against code? You might be at risk of getting a ticket? OK common sense DO NOT spit in front of a Cop? I mean it lacks sense fellows. You think. Why push on the backs of others?<br><br>
Things have ways of degenerating. You start with a philosophical discussion on the merits of restrictions. Next you know someone signs up and posts illegal links. Yea you say I did not invite him?<br><br>
Well you did and you didn't. Just because you did not invite (you did) don't act innocent. My biggest problem is notice was given, it seems to be challenged? If you went to someones house would you challenge their rules? I doubt.<br><br>
It was respectfully asked so out of respect don't try and skirt.<br><br>
And don't ever think I am #1 rule follower I am not. I need to learn to treat people with common courtesy myself. But at least I go off on emotion not methodical disrespect.<br><br>
Consider and too all a good night!
 

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</div>I wasn't being circular at all. The fact is that this site does not permit piracy discussion. Whether it is technically illegal is not your concern. Although I always chose to try and explain (both publicly and privately) my rationale for cutting off discussions, ultimately no rationale is needed. Admin set the rules in the ToS, and they were to be followed. <br />
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I do not believe anything in the original post has changed since I retired from "public service". Unless and until a current moderator updates the post with more current information, it should be treated as a clarification of one of the ToS. In short, this debate is moot...the Terms are the Terms, period.<br />
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I was talking @ the people that were saying that this rule prevents the site from being sued. As long as no links are given out in the open they can't touch you. Also The copyright nazis are going to go after the big warez sites not an OC site.

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</div>That's just not true, and I'm not real fond of people spreading this kind of misinformation that will fuel the truly uninformed n00bs pro-piracy discussion tirades. It may be less likely that they might go after OCN vs. something like The Pirate Bay, or whatever, I can certainly grant you that. But any assumption that OCN is some sort of safe zone because we're not "big enough", and we should therefore be free to discuss whatever we want as long as we don't post a link to something else, is ludicrous. I've deleted many a post in my day that did not contain links but that were very clearly informing people on how to pirate.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">They can't touch you if there are no links DUH!!!!!! Besides even if there were links there wouldn't be that many they have bigger fish to fry.</div>

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</div>Its not about having bigger fish to fry. If you have the choice between being completely legal or only semi legal no matter how small the offense, going 100% legal is always the best choice. They want to avoid having any trouble whatsoever and that I can understand. If there is absolutely no talk of piracy in any positive way, then there is no doubt that OCN has nothing to worry about.
 

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I wasn't being circular at all. The fact is that this site does not permit piracy discussion. Whether it is technically illegal is not your concern. Although I always chose to try and explain (both publicly and privately) my rationale for cutting off discussions, ultimately no rationale is needed. Admin set the rules in the ToS, and they were to be followed. [/QUOTE]You were using the fact that it is against the ToS, as a reason for it to be against the ToS. A lot of sites do this to avoid them having to justify why something is against the rules.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">That's just not true, and I'm not real fond of people spreading this kind of misinformation that will fuel the truly uninformed n00bs pro-piracy discussion tirades. It may be less likely that they might go after OCN vs. something like The Pirate Bay, or whatever, I can certainly grant you that. But any assumption that OCN is some sort of safe zone because we're not "big enough", and we should therefore be free to discuss whatever we want as long as we don't post a link to something else, is ludicrous. I've deleted many a post in my day that did not contain links but that were very clearly informing people on how to pirate.</div>
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I never said it was a safe zone I was only saying it was highly unlikely that OCN would be sued because computer discussion is OCN's focus not piracy. Also telling someone how to commit a crime is not a crime. And just because you deleted a post does not make it illegal.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Its not about having bigger fish to fry. If you have the choice between being completely legal or only semi legal no matter how small the offense, going 100% legal is always the best choice. They want to avoid having any trouble whatsoever and that I can understand. If there is absolutely no talk of piracy in any positive way, then there is no doubt that OCN has nothing to worry about.</div>
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Obeying the law for the sake of obeying the law is always wrong.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Obeying the law for the sake of obeying the law is always wrong.</div>
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What? Why?
 

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OCN is a small fish in the big sea. Basically we dont have the resources to fight big companies if they wanted to make a martyr out of us. So we dont even talk about piracy.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Second, you're absolutely crazy if you think that legal action cannot be and is not taken against web sites that threaten intellectual property by openly discussing or offering piracy methods. It happens all the time. No one wants to even toe that line with OCN, I hope. If you do, see my previous invitation.</div>
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Discussing, let's say, the latest crack for a game, or linking to a download of an ISO is hardly illegal. Neither the site operator or the involved users could get in any legal trouble, because the content is not hosted here and it is mere discussion.<br><br>
Now, if we we're talking about users uploading a crack to this site, then sure, that would be illegal. But even so, in the unlikely event that they decided to prosecute, only the user posting it would be in trouble. The only way the site and its operators could get in trouble would be if they were found to be a knowing and willing host of such material, and that the website promoted it, or otherwise encouraged it (i.e. having a forum dedicated to piracy). That would be grounds to get the site shut down.<br><br>
If a website could be held liable for the things its users did, sites like 4chan (and some it's more... questionable variants) would have been shut down ages ago. I completely agree with the current rules in place, to maintain the professionalism around here, but to say that it's illegal to discuss or link to piracy methods/material is a bit of a stretch.<br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Also telling someone how to commit a crime is not a crime. And just because you deleted a post does not make it illegal.</div>
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Never said otherwise. You keep trying to make this about what is legal vs. illegal. That's irrelevant. Talking about software piracy is against the Terms of Service...end of discussion. Legality has nothing to do with it. Talking about politics is clearly legal, but equally banned on this site. That needs to sink in please, it's becoming somewhat tedious having to repeat myself.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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Now that does not make sense at all. Obeying laws is generally a defining characteristic of civilization. Not all laws are created equal, I freely admit, and civil disobedience is something I can respect in certain circumstances. But a blanket generalization that obeying all laws just because they <i>are</i> laws is wrong? Crazy talk. The implication is that only laws you personally find justifiable is how we should behave. We could not function if that were the case.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">Never said otherwise. You keep trying to make this about what is legal vs. illegal. That's irrelevant. Talking about software piracy is against the Terms of Service...end of discussion. Legality has nothing to do with it. Talking about politics is clearly legal, but equally banned on this site. That needs to sink in please, it's becoming somewhat tedious having to repeat myself.<br><br><br><br>
Now that does not make sense at all. Obeying laws is generally a defining characteristic of civilization. Not all laws are created equal, I freely admit, and civil disobedience is something I can respect in certain circumstances. But a blanket generalization that obeying all laws just because they <i>are</i> laws is wrong? Crazy talk. The implication is that only laws you personally find justifiable is how we should behave. We could not function if that were the case.</div>
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You fail to see that this is a philosophical reality not a reality of human nature. Besides opinions do not matter, the only thing that matter is if a law violates natural law it is unjust there is no if, and, or buts about it.
 

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Newman. Do you have any legal documentation that supports your claims that as long as there are no links, they can't do anything? Or is this all speculation on your part? I find this a little strange.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">not all laws are wrong, however obeying them becuase they are laws is wrong. You should obey them because they right just and if they are not you should not obey them.</div>
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So, if you don't think they're right, you should no obey them and suffer the consequences? What do you stand to gain in that situation? You're not proving anything by going to jail.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Newman. Do you have any legal documentation that supports your claims that as long as there are no links, they can't do anything? Or is this all speculation on your part? I find this a little strange.</div>

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</div>Do you have any to prove other wise?<br />
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They can do what ever they want. They can sue you for cutting in line at McDonald's if they want to. The point is they have no legal grounds for either so they will not bother.<br />
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<div style="font-style:italic">So, if you don't think they're right, you should no obey them and suffer the consequences? What do you stand to gain in that situation? You're not proving anything by going to jail.</div>

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</div>So Rosa Parks didn't prove anything? William Penn didn't prove anything? If they make a law that say you have to jump of a cliff your gonna do it?
 

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I fully support OCN on the no piracy discussion deal, but would just like to clear up that discussing illegal activity is not illegal. Doing it is.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">You fail to see that this is a philosophical reality not a reality of human nature. Besides opinions do not matter, the only thing that matter is if a law violates natural law it is unjust there is no if, and, or buts about it.</div>
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I'm not failing to see anything. You are trying to morph a pragmatic discussion about a specific issue (banning discussions of software piracy on this site) into first a legal question, and apparently now a philosophical question on the basis of human nature. Sorry Colonel, but changing the conversation in this manner is a visible symptom that you are on the losing side of the debate, but refuse to accept as much. I've seen this behavior hundreds of times over the years, and occasionally succumbed to it myself. I would be glad to continue the new tack of discussion of course, because I do enjoy intelligent conversations, and I think this could be one...but this is the wrong thread for that.<br><br><div style="margin:20px;margin-top:5px;">
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<div style="font-style:italic;">They can do what ever they want. They can sue you for cutting in line at McDonald's if they want to. The point is they have no legal grounds for either so they will not bother.<br><br>
So Rosa Parks didn't prove anything? William Penn didn't prove anything? If they make a law that say you have to jump of a cliff your gonna do it?</div>
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Again, an attempt to change the conversation. You don't get sued for illegal activity, you get sued for civil matters. And trying to equate anti-piracy laws to Rosa Parks? Come on, dude...if that's the best argument you can come up with, hang it up already.<br><br>
And you may not get sued for cutting in line, but McDonalds was successfully and famously sued for serving coffee that was too hot without a warning label. Anybody who thinks that OCN could not be subject to civil action by some overzealous intellectual property holder would do well to remember that very real, and very stupid, lawsuit. If Random Publisher has evidence that OCN contributed in any way to the theft of its material, that absolutely could sue for damages. Whether they could win or not should be immaterial to us, folks...we do not want to expose OCN to even the slightest risk of asinine lawsuits. I don't anyway, I hope everyone else feels the same.
 

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I am not "morphing" the discussion I am only countering peoples arguments. other made them I am only responding.<br><br>
yes but I could get sued for coughing near someone in public. Should I just stay at home and never leave the house when I am sick?
 

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Simply put, if you're going to just argue about this, then the exit door is always open for you. We do not want arguments regarding piracy discussion. Rules are rules. If you don't like them, consider yourselves not welcome.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Simply put, if you're going to just argue about this, then the exit door is always open for you. We do not want arguments regarding piracy discussion. Rules are rules. If you don't like them, consider yourselves not welcome.</div>

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</div>You know I have an excellent response to that but I don't want an infraction.<br />
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I have been sick of this argument for a while now I am just continuing it because people keep responding.
 
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<div style="font-style:italic;">Simply put, if you're going to just argue about this, then the exit door is always open for you. We do not want arguments regarding piracy discussion. Rules are rules. If you don't like them, consider yourselves not welcome.</div>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">You know I have an excellent response to that but I don't want an infraction.<br><br>
I have been sick of this argument for a while now I am just continuing it because people keep responding.</div>
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Not to speak for anyone else, but I'm going to keep responding to you as long as you keep posting your crazy talk in this thread. There is no way I am going to let you have the last word, because far too many people skip right to the end of a thread rather than read the whole thing. I absolutely refuse to let your comments even have the slightest potential of being misinterpreted by some new member as being "okay" on OCN. If you're sick of the debate, quit debating...because you're not going to win this one, period, end of story.<br><br>
Maybe I should just get one of the current mods to close the thread. I left it open originally for the purpose of answering questions about the mandate, not to entertain pointless and ridiculous debate from people who don't want to acknowledge the site's rules...
 
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