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Hello Guys, I just got both the Spawn and the KinzuAdder(Kinzu Boddy with DeathAdder 1800cpi's sensor) playing with them for hours and I want to share my opinion about each of my mice include them.

First of all, I want to personally sorry about my english, and hope you can understand me, I will try my best.

Second, In this review I will Categorize every term in evey mouse I have that said in the topic, according to this:
  1. Sensor
  2. Lift Of Distance (LoD)
  3. Shape and ergonomic
  4. Build quality (switch, feel, force, Cable and Feets)

I want to say before start to talk about each mouse's sensor that my maximum speed when moving the mouse fast is 1.67-190m/s and As far as I remember I can also reach 2.0m/s but rare (my settings are 400cpi and 1.2-1.8 sensitivity).

Sensor:
CM Spawn - I unable to reach the get any negative accelration and also cannot make the mouse skip or make it stop tracking, I've to say that this sensor felt the most precise and accurate for me ingame and the tracking was better than all mice I have/had.
1000HZ option is stable.

Xai - That mouse always cofuse me when I was playing with it, on the QcK and the 9HD..it was very very precise, but sometime it was awful and no precise at all, I have to say that I noticed in the past alittle really negative accelration on cloth but since in the past I was more higher sensitivty player (1800cpi, sens 1) so I was not move my mouse really quick, so the negative accel was not boths me much, after I moved to the 9HD I was never getting any negative accel, but I was notice that something other is mass my movement, after cleaning, and contact Steelseries Support and local store - nothing helps me get a solution about it, and after read in this forum, I know'd that the problem was the Positive accelration..
I have to say that the Xai tracking on hard surface was really great.
Also says that when I tested the Xai with more than 3k CPI, I was noticed alittle jittering.
Also, the 1000Hz option is stable.

Microsoft IME3.0 - I was playing with it untill yesterday, I was really like the sensor untill, but in the first day when I've used it I've comed in conclusion that I'm reach the meximum sensor speed of the mouse and enable to make it miss pixels and get alot of negative accelration and unwanted tracking really fast, but since that time I was forced myself to up my sensitivity to not do such a quick moves with my mouse - kinda sad.
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Have to say that the IME3.0 sensor not have any extra prediction/angle snapping/correction and never jittered or does unwanted tracking and such.
When Bump to 500Hz, its stable, but not as mice that as this stock, no diffrents ingame, but in rate-checkers.

DeathAdder Respawn [3500] - Great sensor, unable to make it skip pixel or stop tracking and dont get negative or positive accelration, not jettring and it have normal prediction/angle snapping/correction.
Stable 1000Hz option.

KinzuAdder - Exact info as DeathAdder respawn, but I rarely feel have that this one is alittle more precise, somehow.
But in term of tracking, and everything they are exactly the same.
stable 1000Hz option.

Lift Of Distance (LoD) - First says that I only have QcK Mass as cloth mouse and pad and Only have 9HD as hard one.
each one of the mice on QcK Mass:
Spawn - 1CD (feel alittle bit more than 1.2mm but not too much - 1.4-1.6).

Xai - 1CD (exacly 1.2mm).

Microsoft IME3.0 - 1CD (1.2mm).

Razer Deathadder respawn - 3CD's-3.6mm stock(without tape trick and extra feets).
2CD's-2.4mm (with extra feets, without tape fix).
1CD's-1.6-1.8 (both extra feets and tape trick fix.
not feel like 1.2, but not far).

KinzuAdder - 1CD - 1.2mm (unlike the 3500, this mouse is only use taped fix without any extra feets and it feels exactly 1.2mm like Xai, 3.0.
cant talk about without extra feets or without fix-tape beacause I bought it fix-taped, but seems like the 1800 lens are diffrents and better's than the 3500 one.)

Shape and ergonomic:
I have pretty large hand and I tend to use Plam and claw ingame.

Spawn - The ergonic is great I think that CM did a wise decide when they put only ring finger support and no pinky, beacause some tend to drag it on the surface and some doesn't.
The non-slippery sides feels great in the hand and they are very comfort to put the finger on them.
Overall shape is quite small but wide, fits my claw very well and not the best for plamers, only if small hand's.

Xai - pretty much good comfort for fingertip and Claw, me personally dont like the shape when I tend to plam beacause my ring and pinky fingers feels unnatural, but when claw it was fit my hand and fingers very well.
I would suggest this shape to anyone who claw or fingertip thier mice, or have small hand and plam.

Microsoft IME3.0 - great comfort for plam, for Claw is less comfortable.
I would suggest this shape for any one looking for big/huge mouse for every big hand that tend to plam or tend to claw and have big hand.

DeathAdder - pretty much lower profile 3.0 in my opinion, for Claw it was alot less comfortable, but for Plam I can suggest with one without even thinking.

KinzuAdder - since this one use the Kinzu shape - I found it perfect shaped for both plam and claw's, since its smaller than Xai and have more small hump which make it balanced for claw and plam's and have no buttons which make the Right-side of the mouse feel more natural and comfort.

Shape size Comparison:
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Build Quality :
CM Spawn - Feels really well made and high quality metrials and Contestant not bad at all with sweat hands, the switch are great - not too mushy and not too hards - really remind me the Xai's, the Cable is great - flexible and not became broths, its size is between the Xai's cable and Deathadder's 1800 one.
The mouse have overall 7 buttons that can be programmed (overall 9 - cpi up and down buttons).

Xai - The highest quality metials surface I've ever tested, The switchs have great balance of force clicks ,the Feets are not too much slippery and pretty medium friction, the cable is quite annoying - really fat heavily, not at all flexible and drag all over the surface.
The mouse have overall 7 buttons that can be proggramed, not include the CPI Button.

IME3.0 - Feels cheap plastics made, the switch are ok, the side buttons are too mushy and loose and the scroll wheel are ok but seems to be buggy - unwanted jumps.
The clicks-force have just ok balance. but when bump the HZ they feels ALITTLE less responsive.
The feets are feels also cheap plastics.
The cable is not bad, and no good also - its not much flexible and really "fat".

Deathadder Respawn - Build quality not best and not even close TBH.
when I moved from Xai to the Deathadder the quality of the DeathAdder feels REALLY cheap, and the glossy-sides was always annoying me.
the Cable also is good braided and very flexbiel than most of the braided cords in the market.
The feets are pure teflon with low friction, feels high quality, but they are thinner and make the mouse's bottom drag on the surface.
The DeathAdder have 6 programble buttons not include the profile button.

KinzuAdder - Kinzu shape - uses the same meterials that in the Xai - the best.
The switch on the KinzuAdder are quite better and have very good responsive, one of the best.(can talk about the normal kinzu since AFAIK it use diffrents switchs that found only in the red edition).
The feets are really cheap.
The cable in the KinzuAdder is the Deathadder-1800's cable which I found to be really good.

Cables Comparison:
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Thanks alot for the reading, this takes me alot of time to write it all, Hope I can help some.
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I'm very jealous of that spawn and kinzuadder. Which mouse did you decide to stick with?
 

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I'm very jealous of that spawn and kinzuadder. Which mouse did you decide to stick with?
I already offered you..but nevermind.
I really like both of the mice and they are really perferct..you asked me very hard quesion, both are great in every term, but since I have alittle problem with attract the Corepad's feets into the KinzuAdder its now scratch it all over my Qck, so I use the Spawn for now, again - perfect, just..need to geting used alittle to the shape, thats all.
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Also, the sensor is centered, but not "dead" centered exactly:
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How did you manage to fray the xai cord using the mouse bungee
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The Xai was the first mouse that I use the mouse bungee with, and I was unsure about how much cable I was needed, so every time I was needed to put it off and on..well, above is the results..
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Originally Posted by Bullveyr;13812054
Nice comparison, well written.

PS: Did you chew on your Xai cable?
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HAHAHA mouse bungee fault ^_^

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Originally Posted by Skylit;13812097
Hmm OEM Kinzu. Does the surface feel different from the Xai?

Nice write up.
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Thanks you very much, the surface feels pretty much the same..but the plastic is little bit harder and less musshier, also..do you think is that the reason that Corepad's feets are fit exactly the place ?
 

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Does the cord on the spawn bother you at all? I know you have a bungee but it looks pretty thick compared to the other mice. Great job on the review btw.

All of the mice in this review lack a weight system..... So much win.
 

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Does the cord on the spawn bother you at all? I know you have a bungee but it looks pretty thick compared to the other mice. Great job on the review btw.

All of the mice in this review lack a weight system..... So much win.
Thanks you very much.
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The cord is quite annoying without the mouse bungee..I can describe you that in the best way - the Spawn's cable is the same as Xai's but rubber plasic version and quite less heavy.
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Thanks you very much, the surface feels pretty much the same..but the plastic is little bit harder and less musshier, also..do you think is that the reason that Corepad's feets are fit exactly the place ?
Rephrase that. I don't know what you mean lol.

@ The above pictures, I'm really glad CM decided to go with a standard cable rather than a braided one that will just fray along my desk.
 

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Rephrase that. I don't know what you mean lol.

@ The above pictures, I'm really glad CM decided to go with a standard cable rather than a braided one that will just fray along my desk.

The OEM feel close to the xai in term of metrials, but little more louder, but I found that plastics that in the OEM kinzu make the force for pressing little more balanced than Xai's.

I was meant - I try to replace the Kinzu feets and when I attract the Corepad feets it seems to be thinner and make the mouse scratch my pad, is it the fault of the mouse beign an OEM and not orginal kinzu?
 

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Good looking on the review. I agree with the points you made about some mice, like the Deathadder I used in the past. Also I appreciate that you take the mouse cord into account.
Haven't used the Spawn, but if the Ikari dies on me it's definitely a mouse I'll be looking at.
How is the scroll wheel on the Spawn? Loud, quiet, more similar to the Xai or to the Deathadder? Does it ever bounce back or skip, like some old Logitech ones?

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All of the mice in this review lack a weight system..... So much win.
Agreed. I can't even take a mouse seriously if it has extra weights. I hope this fad will pass soon.
 

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Good looking on the review. I agree with the points you made about some mice, like the Deathadder I used in the past. Also I appreciate that you take the mouse cord into account.
Haven't used the Spawn, but if the Ikari dies on me it's definitely a mouse I'll be looking at.
How is the scroll wheel on the Spawn? Loud, quiet, more similar to the Xai or to the Deathadder? Does it ever bounce back or skip, like some old Logitech ones?

Agreed. I can't even take a mouse seriously if it has extra weights. I hope this fad will pass soon.
Thanks.
The scroll is really a bit silence version of Xai's scroll wheel.
 

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The scroll wheel on the Spawn is one of its better features (after the outstanding Avago 3090 sensor, of course), as it uses an optical encoder, instead of the usual mechanical rotary switch. The rotary switches always seem to wear and become intermittent, resulting in random scroll increments in the wrong direction, or randomly scrolling two increments in the same direction, when it should just move one increment, etc.; the Spawn should be immune to that effect, due to the optical technology. I've had no trouble at all with the scroll wheel, in the two months I've had the mouse. It scrolls fairly quietly, with good tactile feedback from the detents. Scroll wheel button clicks take more force than the left or right button clicks, but there's a good balance; firm enough to avoid accidental clicks while scrolling, light enough to not be bothersome or fatiguing.
 

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The scroll wheel on the Spawn is one of its better features (after the outstanding Avago 3090 sensor, of course), as it uses an optical encoder, instead of the usual mechanical rotary switch. The rotary switches always seem to wear and become intermittent, resulting in random scroll increments in the wrong direction, or randomly scrolling two increments in the same direction, when it should just move one increment, etc.; the Spawn should be immune to that effect, due to the optical technology. I've had no trouble at all with the scroll wheel, in the two months I've had the mouse. It scrolls fairly quietly, with good tactile feedback from the detents. Scroll wheel button clicks take more force than the left or right button clicks, but there's a good balance; firm enough to avoid accidental clicks while scrolling, light enough to not be bothersome or fatiguing.
I didn't remember myself say anything wrong about the scroll wheel of the CM Spawn, I'm really like it..it remind me the Xai's scrool wheel which is very good but louder, the CM Spawn have the same noise but alittle bit silence.
 

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Thanks for the wonderful review! We worked hard to bring a mouse to the market with this sensor. Being the first in the market, it took sometime to get it perfect, but we are happy everyone can appreciate our effort and ultimately happy with the results! For everyone waiting in the USA, the mouse will launch early July and will be widely available where you find all your favorite Coolermaster Gear.
 
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