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Crossover 27Q LED-P Pivot Edition
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I've been hearing about 27" 2560 x 1440 monitors from Korea. These monitors have the same manufacturer brand LG as for Apple and Dell monitors. The well known Apple Cinema Display and Dell U2711. Myself I have the Apple Cinema Display for some time and always wanted to have a second screen at the same specification but it was too much to afford a second $1100 screen.

There are several brand from Korea: Yamakasi, Crossover, PCbank, Shimian, Davi, First Semiconductor & MOTV. There might be more...

I've chose the Crossover 27Q LED-P Pivot and I ordered from the seller Green-sum on eBay last week, it took them 2 days to confirm and ship out at their door and the actual DHL shipping was very efficient ship over the weekends at an incredible speed.

Crossover 27Q LED-P Specification:

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The Package
So, I received my package on Monday afternoon and the condition of the box has no damages.

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First Look
The monitor weigh about 7kg which is way lighter than my Apple Cinema Display (11kg) to my measurement. It's very light for a 27" and it is much easier to find VESA desk / wall mount without worrying about its weigh limitation.

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Crossover Logo
I'm not too fond of the logo but as long the monitor quality is perfect, I'm all good.

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The OSD Buttons
From left to right - Decrease Brightness, Increase Brightness & Power On/Off & Power LED. These buttons are located at the back and the RED LED indicated sleep or standby mode and the BLUE LED means actively running.

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The Rear
The whole monitor including the front are made in metal there are no plastic except the stand. The frame is painted with black gloss and white gloss color.

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Bottom Stand
Metal bottom house in plastic. Look & feel solid to me.

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Swirl Left & Right
Both side max is about 40' degree you can turn.

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Height Adjustment
Lowest is about 12.8cm from the desk to the bottom of the viewable display. Full extended height is about 21.2cm from the desk to the bottom of the viewable display. When I said viewable display means skip / not to count the frame. Just the viewable area where the bottom of the TFT is, so this give an idea for those with different monitor side by side.

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Maximum Height
Full 90 degree tilt... well not exactly, I think it's about 86-87 degree tilt and I believe the mechanic in there has a tiny flaw.

Warning: Please make sure you tilt your monitor upward for room before rotating it vertically otherwise you will hit the bottom stand.

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The Sticker
The model serial number is marked: 201207000079: I assume this is the year 2012, month 07 (July) and 79th produced model.

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Connections
Top to bottom - Power connector & DVI-D input.

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DVI-D
DVI-D Cable close up view. There are good nice quality cable unlike cheapest cable I've seen.

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Power Brick
This power brick is huge as a house red brick. Heat wise is about 35-40'C when touched after running for hours. Nothing serious and it is about the same temp like laptop power brick temperature. This brick has the standard connector that I can switch easily without needing to buy an adapter.

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Power Cable for Korea
No comment.

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Ghetto US/CAN Power Cable from HP Desktop
So I dug up an old cable for my HP desktop PSU and it works perfectly but looks ugly. BUT it will be under my desk...

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Crossover Side by Side with Apple
Oh... Apple is jealous here.

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Bezel Thickness
Crossover (LEFT) & Apple (RIGHT) I actually love the bezel thickness from Crossover. It makes the TFT display looks a lot bigger than Apple.

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Test: Brightness
This is the lowest brightness I can go on these two monitors; Apple has can go even lower and one more notch it just turn off the LED light.

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This is the max brightness, both looks essentially same now.

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Test: Light Bleed
Crossover has no light bleed but in this picture you see some odd color or some odd uneven pattern. Well most monitors are like this.

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This is the Apple; it has a huge light bleed at the bottom right and left in which I am quite disappointed for paying this much. Crossover kills it.

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Test: Reflectiveness
Crossover (LEFT) & Apple (RIGHT) has more reflectivity due to the tempered glass.

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Test: Input Lag
Crossover is 6ms GtG and Apple one is 12ms GtG. The reason below both shows the exact same due it is not GtG test. I'll will retest this again later.

Crossover on the LEFT & Apple on the RIGHT.

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Updates #1: Apparently, the input lag on Apple Cinema Display is better than the Crossover for a margin. And there are frame shuttering on the Crossover which I am not sure if it is my GPU or the Cable.

The following images are shot in high speed DSLR; it shows more ghosting on the Crossover vs Apple.

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Updates #2: I had both monitors mirrored and ran Mass Effect 3 due it gives exceptional stable framerate to test. This was filmed on iPhone 4 and I pick out one of the frame with ghosting on. Here is the result; both monitor perform the same ghosting effect and secondly I prefer the Crossover due it has less reflective in dark area of the game.

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Test: On & Off Delay
This is a really a short video to test the power on and off delay time between Crossover (LEFT) and Apple (RIGHT).


Conclusion
Crossover 27Q Pivot is a $350-$400 (July 2012) range monitor and Apple/Dell are $999 mark. To pay $999 price tag doesn't mean you can get a perfect monitor. Even through they said guarantee no dead pixel from Apple and Dell. There are still issue with light bleed. Apple and Dell monitors are calibrated but you can do it yourself as well with Catleap and Crossover.

I managed to tweak my Crossover to the same profile as my Apple. Just take 10-20min to calibrate. If you know how.

In this review, my Crossover has 1 dead pixel and 3 stuck but those stuck can be fixed and I am not picky about the dead pixel unless it is very visible.

This is a 1440p monitor at a 110 PPI. 1 dead pixel in 110 PPI screen is barely visible unless you put your head 20-30cm to the screen.

These 27" monitors are meant to view at 60cm or 2 feet.

I'll say these monitors worth at its price and not more. If you're lucky to get a near perfect one but from the result it is about 85%+ to get a good one vs a DOA or many dead pixel.

Suitable for photo / video / graphic editing? Yes, due you can calibrate the monitor by yourself.

Screen Test & Fix
http://www.flexcode.org/lcd2.html

Calibrated ICC Color Profile Download for Crossover 27Q


CalibratedDisplayProfile-2.zip 3k .zip file


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Crossover 27Q LED-P Pivot Edition
Review & Gallery
Many of you been hearing about 27" 2560 x 1440 monitors from Korea. These monitors have the same manufacturer brand LG as for Apple and Dell monitors. The well known Apple Cinema Display and Dell U2711. Myself I have the Apple Cinema Display for some time and always wanted to have a second screen at the same specification but it was too much to afford a second $1100 screen.
There are several brand from Korea: Yamakasi, Crossover, PCbank, Shimian, Davi, First Semiconductor & MOTV. There might be more...
I've chose the Crossover 27Q LED-P Pivot and I ordered from the seller Green-sum on eBay last week, it took them 2 days to confirm and ship out at their door and the actual DHL shipping was very efficient ship over the weekends at an incredible speed.
Crossover 27Q LED-P Specification:
588
The Package
So, I received my package on Monday afternoon and the condition of the box has no damages.
399
First Look
The monitor weigh about 7kg which is way lighter than my Apple Cinema Display (11kg) to my measurement.
It's very light for a 27" and it is much easier to find VESA desk / wall mount without worrying about its weigh limitation.
399
The Rear
The whole monitor including the front are made in metal there are no plastic except the stand.
The frame is painted with black gloss and white gloss color.
399
The Sticker
The model serial number is marked: 201207000079: I assume this is the year 2012, month 07 (July) and 79th produced model.
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Swirl!
Both side max is about 40' degree you can turn.
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Be the Giraffe!
Lowest is about 12.8cm from the desk to the bottom of the viewable display. Full extended height is about 21.2cm from the desk to the bottom of the viewable display.
When I said viewable display means skip / not to count the frame.
Just the viewable area where the bottom of the TFT is, so this give an idea for those with different monitor side by side.
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A Tall Monitor!
Full 90 degree tilt... well not exactly, I think it's about 86-87 degree tilt and I believe the mechanic in there has a tiny flaw.
Warning: Please make sure you tilt your monitor upward for room before rotating it vertically otherwise you will hit the bottom stand.
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So Your saying there one in the same?
 

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So in the end, how is it compared to your Apple display? and how is the stand? It remains me of my Dell stand, where i can put the display into portrait mode. Out of 10, how would be?
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Same TFT manufacturer - LG.
I mean besides build quality how do they compare?

Im trying to pick either u2711
apple 27" or 30"
or Catleap/crossover
 

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I've just updated my review.

U2711 - if you like Matte and if you can ignore the sparkly due to the Anti-Glare. $700-$999.
Apple - if you like the design, glossy. $999.
Catleap / Crossover - Same screen like Dell and Apple but Glossy like Apple (see review) $300-$350.

Color is about the same on Apple and Crossover if you worry about photo editing and such.

Crossover Pivot - Check my review $350-$400. I would say go for Crossover if you want nice quality over Catleap which is plastic frame and everything.

Crossover costs about $50-$100 more. and from my review, my Crossover defeat my Apple at some area.

The built quality on the Pivot edition is fantastic. Of course the stand is not solid like Apple one. But who wobble their desk?
 

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Very well done! I love your pictures of the crossover, it just oozes sexy.

Gah, if only my one I sent back didn't have flickering. It had 0 light bleed and 0 messed up pixels. Doubt I'll get that lucky again.
 

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If you plan to setup a dual or triple VESA mounting, you better off buying the Crossover (non-Pivot) one which is about $330-$350. The Catleap one is $300 but to mount you need to open the monitor to get rid of the stand which will void the warranty.

Crossover - metal frame.
Catleap - plastic frame.

If you plan to just get one, no need for pivot and don't care about the built quality except the display. Catleap $300 at your cheapest option. $30-$50 more if you want a super solid metal frame. From what I see, Crossover has less DOA / Problems than Catleap. Not the fact it has less people buying it. Both monitors are popular and according to my research on all the seller. All I see most Negative on Catleap model.

This is also one reason I went with Crossover.
 

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Is there led-p glass version?

Also is there problems with the stand not fully rotating to 90 degrees? I saw a negative feedback on eBay about that.

Thanks
 

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Is there led-p glass version?
Also is there problems with the stand not fully rotating to 90 degrees? I saw a negative feedback on eBay about that.
Thanks
If you search, you might find one.
 

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If you plan to setup a dual or triple VESA mounting, you better off buying the Crossover (non-Pivot) one which is about $330-$350. The Catleap one is $300 but to mount you need to open the monitor to get rid of the stand which will void the warranty.
Crossover - metal frame.
Catleap - plastic frame.
If you plan to just get one, no need for pivot and don't care about the built quality except the display. Catleap $300 at your cheapest option. $30-$50 more if you want a super solid metal frame. From what I see, Crossover has less DOA / Problems than Catleap. Not the fact it has less people buying it. Both monitors are popular and according to my research on all the seller. All I see most Negative on Catleap model.
This is also one reason I went with Crossover.
What about the Shimian?
 

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Updates on the Input Lag.

Does anyone know why my Crossover framerate shuttering on normal desktop? For example, drag my browser and move around the screen on dual monitors.

GPU? Cables?

Okay, the monitor framerate shutter is gone if disable 1 screen.

Scrap that.... it was my Rainmeter...

Updates #2: Which is best for gaming? Crossover (+ less reflection)
 

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Really nice review of the monitor. Very well put together.

I own one of these monitors and it has 1 dead pixel, but it doesn't bother me.

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Nice pictures
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Anyway, I bought one not too long ago and it occasionally flickers as if the refresh rate goes down. I hope it's due to PSU and not the monitor.

Any clue, guys? I've contacted the seller and he said shoot a video of it and show it to him. It happens randomly. How would I catch it on a video? Also, the PSU whines a bit. Can you confirm if your does too?
 

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Nice pictures
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Anyway, I bought one not too long ago and it occasionally flickers as if the refresh rate goes down. I hope it's due to PSU and not the monitor.
Any clue, guys? I've contacted the seller and he said shoot a video of it and show it to him. It happens randomly. How would I catch it on a video? Also, the PSU whines a bit. Can you confirm if your does too?
In the old days, flickering and FPS issue would be your GPU. I think your GPU is working really hard for this monitor resolution. What is your GPU anyways?

Mind to post your PC spec?
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btw, no I have no flickering whatsoever. It runs like perfectly even I had it on for 168 hours (7 days) straight without powering it down.
 

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In the old days, flickering and FPS issue would be your GPU. I think your GPU is working really hard for this monitor resolution. What is your GPU anyways?
Mind to post your PC spec?
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btw, no I have no flickering whatsoever. It runs like perfectly even I had it on for 168 hours (7 days) straight without powering it down.
I have GTX 460 SE 1GB.

The flickering mostly happens after the monitor wakes up from the sleep mode. But, the other day I was playing GTA 4 and it flickered for about 5-7 seconds and then all good.

I have no clue what causes it though. Could it be the PSU?

I used my brother's GTX 560 Ti and the issue still persists. <_< I even used 2 different D-DVI cables.

I've sent a short clip to the seller and hopefully I can get something. He was very kind about the issue.

EDIT: I filled up the specs page, but it doesn't show up here???
 

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Excellent review - informative - great comparisons - short, sweet and to the point.

Reflects my experience with my CrossOver 27Q over the last two months of ownership.

Thank you for the time and efforts you expended to produce such a fine review.
 
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