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Okay, so I tried a few days ago to mod my DeathAdder 2013 to give a nice red glow to match my machine and K70 keyboard, I failed, miserably. I forgot to remove a screw, places got snapped I couldn't replace some of the LEDs, it was a massacre.

So, I thought to myself, feeling a bit down I might add, why don't I just buy a new one? Good plan, looked on the internets and stumbles across the Roccat (Ro-Cat? Rocket? I don't actually know how to pronounce it) Kone XTD, looks nice, has decent software, it's cheap and best of all I can change the colour to red! I also got a Roccat Hiro to match.

However I've experienced mouse skipping since getting the mouse, I set the TCU (Tracking Control Unit) to the Hiro and the distance control unit to Extra Low and the mouse jitters all over the place, I turn the distance control off so it's just standard and it still seems to skip a little. I can't seem to get it right. I really want to like this mouse, is it actually a good mouse? It was only £60 which seems fairly cheap for a mouse.
I didn't have any issues with my DeathAdder, at all. I never doubted it's speed or accuracy, but the Kone I'm not so convinced about.

I've experimented with Windows mouse speed settings the in-the-fly DPI settings and it just doesn't seem as reliable as my Razer.

Does anyone else have experience with the Kone XTD?
 

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The Kone XTD is a so-so mouse. It uses a questionable laser sensor that has uncorrectable random acceleration. Not a good thing. Outside of that, I had this issue with my non-XTD kone. It was very mouse pad sensitive. It likes hard pads(except for the mionix propus 380).

There is a better version of the XTD coming out this year. It's an optical using the 3090 sensor.
 

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Im still using a kone V2 , Something to note though dont use TCU as really its a specialist mouse surface thing, If you dont have a pad that is like 100% flat at all times and has the same texture all over and completely equal then you are gonna have problems when using that from my experience and others.

Again i use a V2 so its got a different sensor but another thing you could try is setting the polling rate to 125Hz as i think i had problems at a higher polling rate, cant remember had this mouse 4 years now D:

Oh and for reference im using a SteelSeries S&S pad
 

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I have the Razer Destructor which I was using with my DeathAdder. I almost convinced myself it was better than the Roccat pad, I must have been right.

I'm actually gutted it's a so-so mouse, I love the look and feel of it. Maybe I'll bear with it as long as I can before I take a look at the newer version. I'll probably just end up buying another DeathAdder. Ugh.

What's the go to hardware that pretty much guarantees a decent mouse? I.e. optical or laser, and I've noticed there are certain versions of each that are solid performers.
 

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I'm a firm believer that beyond flawed sensor technology the most important feature is grip and comfort. Weight, etc.. can all be adjusted and offset using teflon feet, adding pewter weights and such to the mouse. you can't fix the grip or the level of comfort you experience very easily. I spent the better part of the last year trying to find a mouse that fit me as well as the A4Tech x7, the newer models of which are NOT the godlike mouse the original was. I tried SEVERAL of Logitech's current generation gaming mice, all of which have a rough textured surface that I didn't care for too much, plus the grip was too forced on palm grip rather than a claw grip, I could use it with a claw grip but it wasn't comfortable and was fatiguing. I tried the Razer Naga and while the mouse was EXTREMELY comfortable, and the side buttons were useful for me not only as an FPS/MMO player, but as an avid Linux user ( buttons were bound to awesome things like opening my default TMUX splits, controlling CMUS and other minor things that don't warrant being typed/navigated to through a UI of some sort ) the mouse itself as a pointing device was far below the par. The sensor was unreliable on multiple surfaces that I tried, even Razer's own Goliathus yielded problematic tracking and slow response time (seemed like there was a good half-inch of drag delay before the mouse even started tracking) I had two Naga Epics one via RMA because the first seemed defective, and both performed exactly the same; a very poor mouse overall... just because it couldn't do its primary job right. I had a Roccat Kone that died, and it was the closest fit to the A4Tech X7, and the smooth feel and light weight (though you could add weights to the Kone) made it an overall winner. Unfortunately, mine took a bath (what was it thinking?!) and died. Since I have mitigated disaster by simply limiting myself to ONLY water, and keeping it in a cup-holder thing that doesn't allow it to tip over. I now use a Kone Pure color (in orange) and couldn't be happier. Well, I could - the sensor is a little bit TOO sensitive; I thought at first I had a firmware issue, or it didn't like the surface... or maybe it was picking up vibrations from my fans or speakers. Wrong. It was particulates in the air/under the sensor. As long as my pad is immaculately clean the mouse tracks perfect. If its got any sort of debris on it, a stray hair - anything. I get jitters. Not a big issue. I can do that.

So what's the point in all this?

Most gaming mice are top quality products as far as mousing goes. None of the mice I have tried in the past year - barring the Razer Naga Epic - have been terrible mice. A lot of the mice even have the same sensor so the tracking is very close, and the performance is nearly identical. The most important part is to do research, and then test them in the field:

I recommend seeing if the sensor in the mice you are considering has known issues with different surfaces or tracking in general. If it conflicts with your setup - scratch it off the list of mice to consider. Once you narrow your list of mice down to a handful - go to a store, put your hand on them, move them around - simulate some gaming, give it 5 minutes or so per mouse, pay attention to little stuff:
Are your hands sweaty really quick?
Fingers ache? Wrist?
Is the mouse forcing you to use a grip you don't like?
All of those little questions may seem really dumb, but trust me - if you play any sort of game that requires heavy mousing for extended periods of time - they will be the things that make you HATE that mouse. If you purchase one that fits you like a glove... you'll be much happier in the end.
 

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Thanks for the replies guys, I'll go back to using my Razer Destructor mouse pad and try out some of the tweaks suggested and see if it makes any difference.

I hope the next iteration of this mouse is better, aside from the sketchy laser, Roccat make a great feeling mouse and software and features are second to none.
 

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XTD problems on Hiro?!

Would you mind sharing your OS settings/sensitivity and dpi additional to T/DCU? Did you try instead of extra low just low?
 

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XTD problems on Hiro?!

Would you mind sharing your OS settings/sensitivity and dpi additional to T/DCU? Did you try instead of extra low just low?
I know! That's why I bought the Hiro for maximum compatibility.

This is where I am at right now, and it's still skipping a little.

*Edit* I changed the frequency, I was at 1000 when skipping, forgot to reset it for the sake of the screenshot! Changed down at the advice of MaxFTW, going to try dropping in increments.

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Forgot my DPI. 1800 in Windows but I change it when gaming, usually 2800 or 3200 when playing DayZ, which is pretty much all I seem to play lately.
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Holy cow DPI around 3000! You're the first person I've ever met that uses a DPI above 1800 (all the people in my crew are stuck with the 400dpi that they know and love). Have you tried switching to a lower DPI and if so, has this made an impact on the jitter/skipping you experience?
 

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Holy cow DPI around 3000! You're the first person I've ever met that uses a DPI above 1800 (all the people in my crew are stuck with the 400dpi that they know and love). Have you tried switching to a lower DPI and if so, has this made an impact on the jitter/skipping you experience?
I'm convinced the DPI on a Roccat isn't anything near the DPI on the DeathAdder, I ran 1800 using Synapse on the DeathAdder at 10 on windows mouse setting and in-game ~3000 seems to be about the same as the Razer at 1800 DPI and 6 windows settings, if I go above 6 on Windows settings the mouse gets very jittery.
 

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I'm convinced the DPI on a Roccat isn't anything near the DPI on the DeathAdder, I ran 1800 using Synapse on the DeathAdder at 10 on windows mouse setting and in-game ~3000 seems to be about the same as the Razer at 1800 DPI and 6 windows settings, if I go above 6 on Windows settings the mouse gets very jittery.
I did not have this experience with my Kone. It was stable at an even 900 for me. I think there may be a problem with your mouse, brother.
 

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I switched from Deathadder 2013 + Destructor 2 to Roccat Savu + Hiro and it's better IMO. But the Deathadder was decent.

Before that i had Sensei + QcK and it was very bad. Alot of possive acceleration..
 

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I switched from Deathadder 2013 + Destructor 2 to Roccat Savu + Hiro and it's better IMO. But the Deathadder was decent.

Before that i had Sensei + QcK and it was very bad. Alot of possive acceleration..
I must say I do prefer the Hiro to the Destructor, it's very comfortable to use and it's lovely and smooth with the Kone. I've noticed the pads on the Kone are a lot smoother since using the Hiro as well, the Destructor is like a cheese grater compared to the Hiro.
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I switched from Deathadder 2013 + Destructor 2 to Roccat Savu + Hiro and it's better IMO. But the Deathadder was decent.

Before that i had Sensei + QcK and it was very bad. Alot of possive acceleration..
In case you were wondering I actually used to use the Sensei with a hard mat and the acceleration was actually bearable...it was the MM400. Still not as good as an optical at all though.
 
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