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Problem is to surpass 70ns and lower LLT on 1st Gen
Not MHz alone.
Im Stable on 3500MHz CL16-17-17-17 36 54 1T GD SOC 1.155v DRAM at 1.48v it's around 70ns ballpark :D
I can't go lower than 69.5ns
Hmm not sure where your issues lies but something is off in your settings somewhere.
 

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Can you share your settings please? 62ns is impressive! Is that rock solid stable?
Yeah it was rock solid. Don't have my bios readout saved for that...and right now my 1700x is on my desk, I have my 2700x in. Let me run it on my 2700X Though my ram is clocked slightly higher as I am working up. Also note this is on the C7H WiFi board with beta bios 1101 with AGESA 1.0.0.6 Will edit when I have the screenshot done. Though I am still using the same timings as I did with the 1700X PE lvl 3, Bias of CB 11.5 Power Down Mode disable (ram setting improves ram latency at the cost of disable power saving of the ram)

Ryzen Timing Checker cannot read the info in the top until updated for AGESA 1.0.0.6

Also please see my CPU-Z valadation: https://valid.x86.fr/mpqsew

https://valid.x86.fr/bench/mpqsew

/edit had to remove some info in the screenshot
 

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I mean, everything is interesting when they fix it so that the BIOS and Windows can see the acceleration on the bus? when the faults with the fans are corrected, the delays will be reduced and finally the bios will be brought to the end the last bios with more or less performance characteristics is 1701 all asus dead ?? power is exhausted
 

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Wow the forums really are buggy as hell! Anyways I was meaning to ask if anyone had experience being stable @ 3400 14-14-14 or similar while 3466 15-15-15 is totally unstable even with higher voltages and looser secondary timings? Its a 1700 so maybe the 1-gen MC can't handle more than 3400?
More speeds is much possible in 1st Gen Ryzen. You usually have to be a little sketchy on SoC voltage though.

Been testing 3800Mhz but can't push enough voltage on this board of mine to test for errors running that but it's 'game stable'.


3733Mhz Stable:
 

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More speeds is much possible in 1st Gen Ryzen. You usually have to be a little sketchy on SoC voltage though.

Been testing 3800Mhz but can't push enough voltage on this board of mine to test for errors running that but it's 'game stable'.


3733Mhz Stable:
Nice frequency man but its little slow, my 3466 MHz setting does that same test is less than half that time.
Try disabling your Virus scanner man, you don't need it anyway on Windows 10 as windows defender is adequate.
 

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Nice frequency man but its little slow, my 3466 MHz setting does that same test is less than half that time.
Try disabling your Virus scanner man, you don't need it anyway on Windows 10 as windows defender is adequate.
They're using 32GB but you're using 16GB so obviously it'd take them twice as long...
 

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@ZeNch this is my 3.8 & 3200 config fot BIOS 3501:

[2018/11/06 19:05:52]
Ai Overclock Tuner [Manual]
BCLK Frequency [100.0000]
BCLK_Divider [5]
Custom CPU Core Ratio [Manual]
> FID [152]
> DID [8]
Performance Bias [None]
Memory Frequency [DDR4-3200MHz]
Core Performance Boost [Disabled]
SMT Mode [Auto]
EPU Power Saving Mode [Disabled]
TPU [Keep Current Settings]
CPU Core Voltage [Offset mode]
CPU Offset Mode Sign [+]
- CPU Core Voltage Offset [0.10000]
CPU SOC Voltage [Manual mode]
- VDDSOC Voltage Override [1.10000]
DRAM Voltage [1.38000]
1.8V PLL Voltage [1.92000]
1.05V SB Voltage [1.10000]
Target TDP [Auto]
TRC_EOM [Auto]
TRTP_EOM [Auto]
TRRS_S_EOM [Auto]
TRRS_L_EOM [Auto]
TWTR_EOM [Auto]
TWTR_L_EOM [Auto]
TWCL_EOM [Auto]
TWR_EOM [Auto]
TFAW_EOM [Auto]
TRCT_EOM [Auto]
TREFI_EOM [Auto]
TRDRD_DD_EOM [Auto]
TRDRD_SD_EOM [Auto]
TRDRD_SC_EOM [Auto]
TRDRD_SCDLR_EOM [Auto]
TRDRD_SCL_EOM [Auto]
TWRWR_DD_EOM [Auto]
TWRWR_SD_EOM [Auto]
TWRWR_SC_EOM [Auto]
TWRWR_SCDLR_EOM [Auto]
TWRWR_SCL_EOM [Auto]
TWRRD_EOM [Auto]
TRDWR_EOM [Auto]
TWRRD_SCDLR_EOM [Auto]
Mem Over Clock Fail Count [3]
DRAM CAS# Latency [15]
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DRAM RAS# to CAS# Write Delay [17]
DRAM RAS# PRE Time [17]
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Trc [54]
TrrdS [4]
TrrdL [5]
Tfaw [20]
TwtrS [3]
TwtrL [7]
Twr [14]
Trcpage [1]
TrdrdScl [2]
TwrwrScl [2]
Trfc [416]
Trfc2 [256]
Trfc4 [176]
Tcwl [14]
Trtp [7]
Trdwr [7]
Twrrd [1]
TwrwrSc [1]
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TwrwrDd [6]
TrdrdSc [1]
TrdrdSd [4]
TrdrdDd [4]
Tcke [1]
ProcODT [60 ohm]
Cmd2T [2T]
Gear Down Mode [Disabled]
Power Down Enable [Disabled]
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RttWr [RZQ/3]
RttPark [RZQ/1]
MemAddrCmdSetup_SM [0]
MemCsOdtSetup_SM [0]
MemCkeSetup_SM [0]
MemCadBusClkDrvStren_SM [20.0 Ohm]
MemCadBusAddrCmdDrvStren_SM [20.0 Ohm]
MemCadBusCsOdtDrvStren_SM [20.0 Ohm]
MemCadBusCkeDrvStren_SM [20.0 Ohm]
VTTDDR Voltage [0.69300]
VPP_MEM Voltage [2.50000]
DRAM CTRL REF Voltage on CHA [0.50000]
DRAM CTRL REF Voltage on CHB [0.50000]
VDDP Voltage [0.72000]
VDDP Standby Voltage [0.72000]
1.8V Standby Voltage [2.00000]
CPU 3.3v AUX [3.60000]
2.5V SB Voltage [2.60000]
DRAM R1 Tune [40]
DRAM R2 Tune [40]
DRAM R3 Tune [40]
DRAM R4 Tune [40]
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PCIE Tune R3 [40]
PLL Tune R1 [Disabled]
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T Offset [Auto]
Sense MI Skew [Disabled]
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Promontory presence [Enabled]
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CLDO VDDP voltage [822]
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CPU Power Duty Control [Extreme]
CPU Power Phase Control [Optimized]
CPU Power Thermal Control [120]
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VDDSOC Switching Frequency [Manual]
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VDDSOC Phase Control [Optimized]
DRAM Current Capability [120%]
DRAM Power Phase Control [Optimized]
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Fixed DRAM Switching Frequency(KHz) [400]
DRAM VBoot Voltage [1.38000]
Security Device Support [Enable]
TPM Device Selection [Discrete TPM]
Erase fTPM NV for factory reset [Enabled]
PSS Support [Auto]
NX Mode [Enabled]
SVM Mode [Enabled]
PT XHCI GEN1 [Auto]
PT XHCI GEN2 [Auto]
PT USB Equalization4 [Auto]
PT USB Redriver [Auto]
PT PCIE PORT 0 [Auto]
PT PCIE PORT 1 [Auto]
PT PCIE PORT 2 [Auto]
PT PCIE PORT 3 [Auto]
PT PCIE PORT 4 [Auto]
PT PCIE PORT 5 [Auto]
PT PCIE PORT 6 [Auto]
PT PCIE PORT 7 [Auto]
PT SATA PORT 0 Enable [Auto]
PT SATA PORT 1 Enable [Auto]
PT SATA PORT 2 Enable [Auto]
PT SATA PORT 3 Enable [Auto]
PT SATA PORT 4 Enable [Auto]
PT SATA PORT 5 Enable [Auto]
PT SATA PORT 6 Enable [Auto]
PT SATA PORT 7 Enable [Auto]
Onboard PCIE LAN PXE ROM [Enabled]
AMD CRB EHCI Debug port switch [Disabled]
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Hyper kit Mode [Disabled]
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Hot Plug [Disabled]
Hot Plug [Disabled]
Hot Plug [Disabled]
Hot Plug [Disabled]
Hot Plug [Disabled]
Hot Plug [Disabled]
Hot Plug [Disabled]
ErP Ready [Disabled]
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Power On By RTC [Disabled]
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HD Audio Controller [Enabled]
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PCIEX16_1 Mode [Auto]
PCIEX8_2 Mode [Auto]
PCIEX4_3 Mode [Auto]
M.2 Link Mode [Auto]
SB Link Mode [Auto]
Asmedia USB 3.1 Controller [Enabled]
When system is in working state [On]
In sleep, hibernate and soft off states [On]
Intel LAN Controller [Enabled]
Intel LAN OPROM [Disabled]
USB Type C Power Switch for USB3.1_E1 [Auto]
USB Type C Power Switch for USB3.1_EC2 [Auto]
Network Stack [Disabled]
Debug Port Table [Disabled]
Debug Port Table 2 [Disabled]
Device [SSD 480G]
Legacy USB Support [Enabled]
XHCI Hand-off [Enabled]
USB Mass Storage Driver Support [Enabled]
SanDisk [Auto]
HL-DT-STDVDRAM GP30NB20 1.01 [Auto]
USB3.1_E1 [Auto]
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USB3_2 [Enabled]
USB3_3 [Enabled]
USB3_4 [Enabled]
USB3_5 [Auto]
USB3_6 [Auto]
USB3_7 [Auto]
USB3_8 [Auto]
USB3_9 [Auto]
USB3_10 [Auto]
USB2_11 [Auto]
USB2_12 [Auto]
USB2_13 [Auto]
USB2_14 [Auto]
USB_15 [Auto]
USB_16 [Auto]
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MotherBoard Temperature [Monitor]
VRM Temperature [Monitor]
PCH Temperature [Monitor]
T_Sensor1 Temperature [Monitor]
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Chassis Fan 2 Speed [Monitor]
Chassis Fan 3 Speed [Monitor]
W_PUMP+ Speed [Monitor]
CPU Optional Fan Speed [Monitor]
AIO_PUMP Speed [Monitor]
W_FLOW Speed [Monitor]
W_IN Temperature [Monitor]
W_OUT Temperature [Monitor]
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3.3V Voltage [Monitor]
5V Voltage [Monitor]
12V Voltage [Monitor]
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W_PUMP+ Control [Disabled]
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Chassis Fan 1 Smoothing Up/Down Time [0 sec]
Chassis Fan 1 Speed Low Limit [200 RPM]
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Chassis Fan 2 Q-Fan Source [CPU]
Chassis Fan 2 Smoothing Up/Down Time [0 sec]
Chassis Fan 2 Speed Low Limit [200 RPM]
Chassis Fan 2 Profile [Silent]
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Chassis Fan 3 Q-Fan Source [CPU]
Chassis Fan 3 Smoothing Up/Down Time [0 sec]
Chassis Fan 3 Speed Low Limit [200 RPM]
Chassis Fan 3 Profile [Silent]
OnChip SATA Channel [Auto]
OnChip SATA Type [AHCI]
USB3_1 [Enabled]
USB3_2 [Enabled]
USB3_3 [Enabled]
USB3_4 [Enabled]
IR Config [RX & TX0 Only]
SdForce18 Enable [Disabled]
SD Mode configuration [AMDA]
Uart 0 Enable [Enabled]
Uart 1 Enable [Enabled]
I2C 0 Enable [Enabled]
I2C 1 Enable [Enabled]
I2C 2 Enable [Disabled]
I2C 3 Enable [Disabled]
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ESATA Port On Port 1 [Auto]
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ESATA Port On Port 3 [Auto]
ESATA Port On Port 4 [Auto]
ESATA Port On Port 5 [Auto]
ESATA Port On Port 6 [Auto]
ESATA Port On Port 7 [Auto]
SATA Power On Port 0 [Auto]
SATA Power On Port 1 [Auto]
SATA Power On Port 2 [Auto]
SATA Power On Port 3 [Auto]
SATA Power On Port 4 [Auto]
SATA Power On Port 5 [Auto]
SATA Power On Port 6 [Auto]
SATA Power On Port 7 [Auto]
SATA Port 0 MODE [Auto]
SATA Port 1 MODE [Auto]
SATA Port 2 MODE [Auto]
SATA Port 3 MODE [Auto]
SATA Port 4 MODE [Auto]
SATA Port 5 MODE [Auto]
SATA Port 6 MODE [Auto]
SATA Port 7 MODE [Auto]
SATA Hot-Removable Support [Auto]
SATA 6 AHCI Support [Auto]
Int. Clk Differential Spread [Auto]
SATA MAXGEN2 CAP OPTION [Auto]
SATA CLK Mode Option [Auto]
Aggressive Link PM Capability [Auto]
Port Multiplier Capability [Auto]
SATA Ports Auto Clock Control [Auto]
SATA Partial State Capability [Auto]
SATA FIS Based Switching [Auto]
SATA Command Completion Coalescing Support [Auto]
SATA Slumber State Capability [Auto]
SATA MSI Capability Support [Auto]
SATA Target Support 8 Devices [Auto]
Generic Mode [Auto]
SATA AHCI Enclosure [Auto]
SATA SGPIO 0 [Auto]
SATA SGPIO 1 [Disabled]
SATA PHY PLL [Auto]
AC/DC Change Message Delivery [Disabled]
TimerTick Tracking [Auto]
Clock Interrupt Tag [Auto]
EHCI Traffic Handling [Disabled]
Fusion Message C Multi-Core [Disabled]
Fusion Message C State [Disabled]
SPI Read Mode [Auto]
SPI 100MHz Support [Auto]
SPI Normal Speed [Auto]
SPI Fast Read Speed [Auto]
SPI Burst Write [Auto]
I2C 0 D3 Support [Auto]
I2C 1 D3 Support [Auto]
I2C 2 D3 Support [Auto]
I2C 3 D3 Support [Auto]
I2C 4 D3 Support [Auto]
I2C 5 D3 Support [Auto]
UART 0 D3 Support [Auto]
UART 1 D3 Support [Auto]
UART 2 D3 Support [Auto]
UART 3 D3 Support [Auto]
SATA D3 Support [Auto]
EHCI D3 Support [Auto]
XHCI D3 Support [Auto]
SD D3 Support [Auto]
S0I3 [Auto]
Chipset Power Saving Features [Enabled]
SB Clock Spread Spectrum [Auto]
SB Clock Spread Spectrum Option [-0.375%]
HPET In SB [Auto]
MsiDis in HPET [Auto]
_OSC For PCI0 [Auto]
USB Phy Power Down [Auto]
PCIB_CLK_Stop Override [0]
USB MSI Option [Auto]
LPC MSI Option [Auto]
PCIBridge MSI Option [Auto]
AB MSI Option [Auto]
SB C1E Support [Auto]
SB Hardware Reduced Support [Auto]
GPP Serial Debug Bus Enable [Auto]
PSPP Policy [Auto]
Memory Clock [Auto]
Bank Interleaving [Enabled]
Channel Interleaving [Enabled]
Memory Clear [Disabled]
Fast Boot [Disabled]
Boot Logo Display [Auto]
POST Delay Time [3 sec]
Boot up NumLock State [Enabled]
Wait For 'F1' If Error [Disabled]
Option ROM Messages [Enabled]
Interrupt 19 Capture [Disabled]
Setup Mode [Advanced Mode]
Launch CSM [Enabled]
Boot Device Control [UEFI and Legacy OPROM]
Boot from Network Devices [Legacy only]
Boot from Storage Devices [Legacy only]
Boot from PCI-E Expansion Devices [UEFI driver first]
OS Type [Other OS]
Setup Animator [Disabled]
Load from Profile [1]
Profile Name [3.8 Stable]
Save to Profile [1]
CPU Core Voltage [Auto]
VDDSOC Voltage [Auto]
1.8V PLL Voltage [Auto]
BCLK Frequency [Auto]
CPU Ratio [Auto]
Bus Interface [PCIEX16/X8_1]
 

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Problem is to surpass 70ns and lower LLT on 1st Gen
Not MHz alone.
Im Stable on 3500MHz CL16-17-17-17 36 54 1T GD SOC 1.155v DRAM at 1.48v it's around 70ns ballpark :D
I can't go lower than 69.5ns
I'm sorry if I'm not getting this right, but you're saying once latency goes >70ns 1-gen is unstable?

Hmm not sure where your issues lies but something is off in your settings somewhere.
Wow that's really impressive, basically same timings as I have but @ 3600, the voltages are low too!
 

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FAST timings from ryzen dram calc work fine for 3200MHz (14-14-14-28 1T)

anything above that is unstable for me

even 3266MHz will cause system instability - we seriously need new AGESA (either that, or X370 isnt capable of reaching more, even with b-die ram)
 

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FAST timings from ryzen dram calc work fine for 3200MHz (14-14-14-28 1T)

anything above that is unstable for me

even 3266MHz will cause system instability - we seriously need new AGESA (either that, or X370 isnt capable of reaching more, even with b-die ram)

It's better if the new AGESA takes a long time to arrive because hopefully it will be of good quality right away.

I prefer that than to have to plow through 10 beta bios releases just because the initial one was rushed.
 

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well now that elmor is gone and there is no one to directly communicate issues to asus dev team, I dont have much hope (do any asus employees even give a rats ass in regards to what gets posted on their official forum?)

even with elmor on board, asus is behind the curve with only AGESA 1.0.0.2 support (while 1.0.0.7 will be released soon)

once Zen2 is out, we will probably have a major BIOS release for X370 motherboards - until then, I dont have much hope that asus will release decent BIOS
 

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yeah, but it would be nice to get a due date. Friends of mine have other boards with newer AGESA and they have not only improved stability in the OS, they also have a lot of improved stability in games etc.
 

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well now that elmor is gone and there is no one to directly communicate issues to asus dev team, I dont have much hope (do any asus employees even give a rats ass in regards to what gets posted on their official forum?)

even with elmor on board, asus is behind the curve with only AGESA 1.0.0.2 support (while 1.0.0.7 will be released soon)

once Zen2 is out, we will probably have a major BIOS release for X370 motherboards - until then, I dont have much hope that asus will release decent BIOS
I'm tempted by Zen2, but dubious about using the board for it.

I suspect it will work but will it be missing some key features?
 

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I'm tempted by Zen2, but dubious about using the board for it.

I suspect it will work but will it be missing some key features?
I doubt there will be any major features missing
even with 2xxx series, biggest features like PBO and XFR2 work on X370 chipset
 

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I'm tempted by Zen2, but dubious about using the board for it.

I suspect it will work but will it be missing some key features?
Currently have C7H on ebay, as I found only 2 features the C6H lacked vs it. These could be classed by another as key; I do not.

i) Ryzen Master did not allow Precision Boost Override settings as not "officially supported chipset".
ii) Precision Boost Override in UEFI menu AMD CBS did not have Scalar override to relax FIT voltage control.

I'm hoping to use next gen Ryzen on C6H.
 

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What voltages are you running compared to the 1700?

How are you finding the performance compared to first gen? I'm patiently waiting for 7nm!
My 1700 was at 1.39 and when I locked the 2700x at 1.2 and 4ghz it was still a bit hotter...(When set to auto w/ coreboost it would peak at 1.43) The 2700x does perform a bit better in most games I play similar frame rates just less stutters and dropped frames. I don't really notice any difference in blender and my video and photo editing apps.

My 2700x will see 4.35 on about 4 cores with the rest hovering at 4.1 or 4.2.

I was waiting for 7nm too but a good deal came up that I couldn't pass it up.
 

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FAST timings from ryzen dram calc work fine for 3200MHz (14-14-14-28 1T)

anything above that is unstable for me

even 3266MHz will cause system instability - we seriously need new AGESA (either that, or X370 isnt capable of reaching more, even with b-die ram)
It might just really be the IMC not being that great on your chip.

AGESA version doesn't always imply better memory support for every chip under the sun.
 

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I can mention I need around 1.300V for 3733Mhz IMC speed.
And for the testing I was doing 3800Mhz needed max my board could do to even manage a few minutes of stress, that was 1.400V.

Though this board has super crappy VRM and droops voltage like crazy so any better board would do with much less. And I have Ryzen launch date cpu...
Just having fun with this thing beating it to crap, but it keeps running.
 

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Ryzen Timing Checker 1.05

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-timing-checker/

- Added an alternative code path required by PinnaclePI 1.0.0.6 AGESA.
- Added APOB NVC parsing support for Threadripper with Firmware TPM (fTPM) active.
- Disabled APOB NVC parsing for MCM4 Threadripper SKUs (2970WX & 2990WX) due to the piggyback structure of the CPU.

I'm pulling the plug after this version.
So no support for upcoming hardware, or even bug fixes.

Due to the fact that AMD is still unable (or unwilling) to provide a proper hardware access method to acquire the information RTC is displaying, maintaining the app has become a burden.
Since RTC has to rely on unofficial (and unorthodox) methods to acquire the displayed information, its functionality can be broken by even a single change AMD makes to the AGESA stack.
Trying to constantly reverse engineer the changes made by AMD, while maintaining the support for older software stack versions at the same time isn't very feasible at all.

I certainly hope that the memory controller of Zen 2 have no relation to the one used in OG Ryzens...
 
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