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Two idiotic statements from the co-founder of Bungie today (which I believe deserve a whole thread in of themselves considering this is becoming a standard plague across the industry), starting with this one:
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Halo creators Bungie have announced the platforms for their next game, online shooter Destiny, and PC is not amongst them. With 360 and PS3 versions certain, and next-gen consoles hinted at, it would seem to make a certain degree of sense to release the game on the format most suited to online FPS. But no, because according to Bungie, of mouse and keyboard players, "Nobody plays shooters the way they used to… 'cause nobody wants to."
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/17/destiny-not-coming-to-pc-bungie-deny-reality/

and followed up by this one:
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"[Players] don't want to work hard, they don't want to read, and they don't' want to go to the Internet to figure out our *bleep*."
http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/17/bungies-destiny-a-land-of-hope-and-dreams?page=2

Take it as you will, but this doesn't sound like a game I want anywhere near me, specially when the developers are implying their customers are lazy, stupid and that those with PC as their platform are out of date.

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I know piracy is the biggest issue for PC gaming, but I also know that good PC games do sell. Your loss bungie.
I don't believe Bungie have formally announced anything yet...

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/18/destiny/
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But will it be on PC? "We need to make sure that we're prepared for the future. Both prepared for upcoming generations, certainly upcoming other platforms. Multiple platforms," said Bungie COO Pete Parsons at the reveal event. "The thing we're focused on is creating that living universe, that place that you want to be on, and not have it be dependent on any specific platform or device."

Activision CEO-bot Eric Hirshberg added this. "Until anything's officially announced, from the first parties, obviously we can't comment on any platforms that might be forthcoming. But what we can say is that we're building Destiny to be wherever gamers are. And we want this to be one of the great video game franchises and entertainment franchise for the next decade."

YES, BUT WILL IT BE ON PC? "I'd say we would absolutely love to be on PC," Parsons said. "If you go upstairs and talk to the people upstairs, we play on all platforms. So stay tuned."
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It's been reported that Bungie slammed the PC during the reveal on Sunday, but that's not really the case. Bungie co-founder Jason Jones was bigging up Halo's influence on the modern shooter, albeit in a rather cocksure manner.
Of course we can always expect certain sites, and site users, to blow things way out of proportion in sensational fashoin...
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I remember when I loved Bungie, back before the Halo series. I played their Myth series for hundreds of hours online. They were an amazing company back then, with amazing ideas, and pretty much focused on PC games.

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The second quote I'd actually agree with to be honest. Rather often people don't care about story or such, they want gratification for killing things and that's it. A fine example is WoW, in order to appeal to the masses they reduced difficulty, integrated a guide for all the boss fights and other things along those lines. Just remember, people on this and similar PC enthusiast sites are a minority in the scheme of things and if a studio doesn't think that their game would work on PC, then that's there choice. Just like it's our choice to stick to the "PC master race" rather than play on a console.

That's just my opinion though and I'm sure I'll get all kinda of flames
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The second quote I'd actually agree with to be honest. Rather often people don't care about story or such, they want gratification for killing things and that's it. A fine example is WoW, in order to appeal to the masses they reduced difficulty, integrated a guide for all the boss fights and other things along those lines. Just remember, people on this and similar PC enthusiast sites are a minority in the scheme of things and if a studio doesn't think that their game would work on PC, then that's there choice. Just like it's our choice to stick to the "PC master race" rather than play on a console.

That's just my opinion though and I'm sure I'll get all kinda of flames
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I don't disagree with your first point, but some of us want more than just mind-dumbing titles filled with explosions every half second and low-skill multiplayer.
 

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Actually, it IS true.. I have to admit that true "gamers", whatever that means nowdays, that like deep stories, complex gameplay and all in all a challenge, is a race in extinction..
To satisfy an above mentioned player the developer has to sacrifice a lot of resources to make it happen.. Developers, studios and publishers do whatever they do for money [passion itself won't feed you]..

Creativity, which is the decisive factor on a good game is lacking nowdays; it exists, but it is either too expensive or too hard to find..
 

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Actually, it IS true.. I have to admit that true "gamers", whatever that means nowdays, that like deep stories, complex gameplay and all in all a challenge, is a race in extinction..
To satisfy an above mentioned player the developer has to sacrifice a lot of resources to make it happen.. Developers, studios and publishers do whatever they do for money [passion itself won't feed you]..

Creativity, which is the decisive factor on a good game is lacking nowdays; it exists, but it is either too expensive or too hard to find..
Thank god for CDProjektRed, no?
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The second quote I'd actually agree with to be honest. Rather often people don't care about story or such, they want gratification for killing things and that's it. A fine example is WoW, in order to appeal to the masses they reduced difficulty, integrated a guide for all the boss fights and other things along those lines. Just remember, people on this and similar PC enthusiast sites are a minority in the scheme of things and if a studio doesn't think that their game would work on PC, then that's there choice. Just like it's our choice to stick to the "PC master race" rather than play on a console.

That's just my opinion though and I'm sure I'll get all kinda of flames
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Not flaming you, just giving my 2cent.
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WoW offers harder difficulties (with greater rewards) for the players that enjoy them, and that's the difference here. You can either do LFR, which is an absolute joke for people who want it easy.. Get a guild and do normals, which requires coordination and communication... or get a good guild and do heroics, which requires everyone doing their job and lots of patience. He's pretty much saying all gamers don't like a challenge. If that's true, why was Dark Souls so popular? The game isn't even that good in my eyes, but I still put 100s of hours into it just because of the difficulty.

I think The Witcher 2 had an amazing system that catered to both casual and hardcore gamers. On higher difficulties, you could get gear that was more powerful. These types of systems are great for hardcore gamers that like a challenge... and make those higher difficulties so much more rewarding. It a system that many MMOs are adopting, but i'd like to see it in single player games too. I believe TW2 was the first ever non-MMO to do this type of thing?

I definitely agree most gamers do not like a challenge, but saying that all gamers don't? That's a bold statement on his part.
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Thank god for CDProjektRed, no?
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Nice excuse. The lazy ones though, are those at Bungie.

Was interested in the idea of the game, now I will simply hope it fails so much, it causes them millions in loss. Dev's that turn their backs on what made them popular/successful, deserve to die off.
 

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I dont think it's lazy, I think has more to do with greed and a smart business decision if anything. When designing a game for PC, you have to make it look as good or better than it will on a console. Now look at the hardware that resides in the average PC owners home. If you expect a large portion of your customer base to upgrade their computers to play your game, you're in for a big surprise. If you think the average PC owner has a system anything like the average system on this website, you're in for a bigger surprise. To expect a company to dump a lot of R&D into this game for PC is asking a lot, especially when there are millions of consoles that will play it.
 

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I don't disagree with your first point, but some of us want more than just mind-dumbing titles filled with explosions every half second and low-skill multiplayer.
This^^^

I actually agree with bungie, to me FPS games are not about super quick mad skillz killzz headshots 9000 DPI mouse and performance mouse padzzz PC Master race!!!1!

I am very happy to play some of my PC FPS games with a controller, and obviously for a console based company, I have no problem gettimg this next gen title on the next Xbox console.

I am sick of games like BF3, MOH, COD... They are all the same these days...

Its time for something new
 

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Money.

I'm not saying I'm a fast game junkie (after all, the games I play the most are Nintendo RPGs, Chivalry, and Minecraft, none of them especially 'fast-paced'), but I really hate slow, easy games.

Remember when we used to play games for a challenge, and not for the sake of throwing out time?
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There goes most of my interest in the game. At least now (maybe) my paperweight of an Xbox will see some love?

I don't understand, especially whn I game is manufactured for Xbox that it has no PC spot. Sure the money is located in the consoles but c'mon, don't be so shallow as to put down gamers as a whole. I enjoy a good deep story, I read books after books, but why do we keep seeing a decrease in strong story based games? Can the new generation of gamers not comprehend a story AND gameplay at once? Or has people ahead and opt in for "press A to win"?

Even if that is the case for the majority, don't lump all gamers into one pile.
 

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After reading through this I'm now on the fence as to get it or not. I was going to gamestop tomorrow to pre-order the game but after this I think I just wait and see how it all turns out. The only thing I use my console for is conversing with friends and the occasional FPS. I mainly use my computer for everything but COD and Halo. I was really stoked about destiny...now not so much.
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