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Im not listening heavy metal music...But if we are talking about heavy metal processors, it is different story for me. And Yes, I applaud to AMD! Second year of great CPUs is here and HEDT AMD is real - highend crazy strongest most loved CPU ever!

Report from TMsHW about Manilla AMD day and few results of Cinebenchs! LN2? YES sir!



Macci is AMD guy many years. I remember him from Phenom Agena days there, if Im correct.


Who is this guy?:)



What about Cinebench?! At COmputex Intel demostrated huge chip with 28-core, sample of future Cascade Lake-X. The board was bigger than eATX with crazy VRM. CPU must be cooled by chiller and power consumption was still over 800W. But nice clean 5 GHz.
Threadripper LN2 demo with normal eATX board cooled by LN2 and 5.1 GHz run.


-there are some scores completed by Tomshardware, CB WR is here :)

All article: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-threadripper_2-vs-intel-core_x,37550.html

REVIEWS AROUND THE WEB WITH MY NOTE
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_Threadripper_2950X/
-average review (many old tests for modern CPUs), OC 4.15 GHz 1.45V, MSI Creation
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-review,1.html
-OC 4200MHz (Zenith Extreme)
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-review,1.html
-OC 4.1 GHz 1.4V
https://www.hardwarecanucks.com/for...md-threadripper-2950x-performance-review.html
-OC 4.2 GHz with Noctuou, 1.3V
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13124/the-amd-threadripper-2990wx-and-2950x-review

-Linus, Zenith Extreme
-Der8auer
-PaulsHW, i9-7960X vs TR 1950X vs 2950X
-PCworld 2990WX review
-hardware unboxed 1
-hardware uboxed 2 - multitasking part
http://oc.jagatreview.com/2018/08/r...-msi-x399-meg-creation-ln2-oc-cinebench-8000/
-extreme OC over 8K points
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8706/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-2950x-review/index.html
-OC 4200 MHz both
https://wccftech.com/review/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-32-core-cpu-review/
-OC 4.1GHz and 4GHz (depends on board)
http://www.ddworld.cz/pc-a-komponen...lucni-procesor-s-bezkonkurencnim-vykonem.html
-OC 4 GHz
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13124/the-amd-threadripper-2990wx-and-2950x-review
-one of the best reviews
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/08/13/amd_ryzen_threadripper_2990wx_2950x_cpu_review
-OC 4 GHz 2990WX, 4.2GHz 2950X
https://techreport.com/review/33977/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-cpu-reviewed
https://techreport.com/review/33987/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-cpu-reviewed
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proce...ripper-2950X-and-2990WX-Review-Moving-Forward
-2990WX OC 4.1GHz 1.24V
https://www.techspot.com/review/1678-amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-2950x/
-2990WX OC = 4 GHz, 2950X OC 4.1 GHz
https://www.techspot.com/review/1680-threadripper-2-mega-tasking/
-part two - megatasking
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-processor-review_207135
-OC 4.1GHz on Zenith Extreme
https://benchlife.info/amd-2nd-ryze...d-on-review-with-rog-zenith-extreme-08132018/
https://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipseturi/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-2950x-part-ii-cpu-performance
https://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipse...pper-2990wx-2950x-part-iii-gaming-performance

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...wx-32-core-threadripper-2-workstation-review/
-PC sestava review
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2-vs-intel-skylake-x,5727.html
-nonsense comparison
http://www.comptoir-hardware.com/ar...-test-amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-2990x.html
-MSI Creation, good review in tests, OC 4.1 GHz 2950X and 3.925GHz 2990WX (1.34V)
https://www.computerbase.de/2018-08/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-2950x-test/
-2950X 4.25GHz OC 1.375V, 2990WX 3.9GHz OC, Zenith Extreme board
https://www.ixbt.com/platform/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-2990wx-review.html
-RU review
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/120659-amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx/
-OC 4.075GHz 1.35V, Zenith Extreme
http://www.expreview.com/63369.html
-OC 4.1 GHz 2990WX a 4.2 Ghz 2950X
https://www.golem.de/news/threadrip...-viel-hilft-nicht-immer-viel-1808-135832.html
http://www.benchmark.pl/testy_i_recenzje/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-test.html
-OC 2950X 4.1 GHz Zenith Extreme
https://bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/cpus/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-2950x-review/1/
-OC 2950X 1.425V 4.2GHz, 2990WX 4.1GHz 1.4V Zenith Extreme
https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/8565/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-a-2950x-review-een-core-te-ver
-solid review, Zenith Extreme, OC 2950X = 4.3GHz 1,45V, 2990WX = 4.2 GHz 1.425V, LN2 5.1 GHz
https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-and-2990wx-review
-x399 AORUS, OC PBO only
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.p...950x-im-test-mit-vollgas-an-intel-vorbei.html
-X399 Creation, OC 2950X=4.25 GHz, 2990WX=3.9 GHz
https://www.lesnumeriques.com/cpu-processeur/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2950x-p45451/test.html
https://pclab.pl/art78574.html
-OC 2990WX up to 4 GHz, 4.1GHz 2950X Zenith Extreme
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-Threadripper-2990WX-CPU-267793/Tests/und-2950X-im-Test-1262448/
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-linux-2990wx&num=1
-LINUX test
https://tweakers.net/reviews/6441/d...ipper-2990wx-en-2950x-met-16-en-32-cores.html
-OC 2990WX=4.2GHz 1.425V, 2950X 4.3GHz 1.45V both on Zenith Extreme
https://news.xfastest.com/review/review-02/53045/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-2950x-review/
-OC 4.1GHz 2990WX 1.35V, 4.3GHz 2950X on Zenith
https://www.tomshw.de/2018/08/13/am...test-echter-fortschritt-mit-bis-zu-32-kernen/
-MSI Creation, good test
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-threadripper-2-2990wx-2950x,5725.html
-english version
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cpu_mainboard/amd_threadripper_2950x_and_2990wx_review/5
-OC 2990WX 4 GHz, OC 2950X 4.375 GHz 1.4V both Zenith Extreme
https://www.sweclockers.com/test/26098-amd-ryzen-threadripper-2990wx-och-2950x
-OC 4100 Mhz
 

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Why there is almost no difference between 1950X and 2950X?
 

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Why there is almost no difference between 1950X and 2950X?
They're the same core count at 16c/32t ea. The 1950X precision boosts up to 4.2, and the 2950x precision boosts up to 4.4. They are both 180W. So i'd bet they have to keep the boosts almost as low on the 2950x to keep it in the 180W area.
 

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I think, the part is agesa (new agesa was in few tests a little worse than new, ussually legacy tests) and clocks. SIngle thread will be better of course, but multithread in load it could be extra 100 MHz on new TR. And more depends on cooling setup, with liquid setup will be difference higher for new TR2.
 

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Pre-order is in...need to upgrade my rattletrap 1950X...;)
 

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I think, the part is agesa (new agesa was in few tests a little worse than new, ussually legacy tests) and clocks. SIngle thread will be better of course, but multithread in load it could be extra 100 MHz on new TR. And more depends on cooling setup, with liquid setup will be difference higher for new TR2.
I don't know about single threaded performance. A lot of that performance on Ryzen came from Cache improvements. The 1950X already had those improvements baked in. At best you might see SLIGHTLY lower memory latency, but there isn't much improvement to be had.
 

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Im thinking about "only" 2950X :)
 

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I don't know about single threaded performance. A lot of that performance on Ryzen came from Cache improvements. The 1950X already had those improvements baked in. At best you might see SLIGHTLY lower memory latency, but there isn't much improvement to be had.
I forgot to mention that single threaded applications should run much faster on the 2xxx series thanks to the improved boost algorithms, however as I mentioned before, don't expect much, if anything in the way of IPC.
 

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It's Cinebench, I wouldn't expect most of the latency improvements to improve scores there drastically. That said, for people buying these CPUs with 4 dies , latency likely isn't a top factor.
 

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Why there is almost no difference between 1950X and 2950X?
Because there is not a motherboard capable to keep XFR boosting properly, the Zenith EXtreme, doenst have good enough VRMs for that CPU, for it to have efficient power delivery and avoid very quick dgradation of teh motherboard unless yOu run teh CPU at 1.1 Volts maximum for safety reasons...(meaning You dont wan t it to catch fire).


That Cinebench run scoring 7.5 k is quite disappointing score...and its due to the motherboard power delivery limits...whth a decent motherboard you will likely see the 2950X almost challenge that score.

Problem is that Threadripper motherboards of the past year that are around now are total crap and not truly good for this kind of CPUs...I dont see any sense @asus in dropping a ROG sticker on TR4 motherboards....it s like branding new ferrari engine on a fiat 500 abarth chassis.

These CPus need motherboards like Gygabite made for Intel to make that chiller run on their 28 core...and I strongly suspect that Gygabite will become the new king on the Hill of motherboards, as Apparently @asus is sandbagging threadripper and will not release any new motherboard for these 32 core xeon killer CPUs.
 

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Does anyone know if there will be any ASUS WS class motherboard released, with 18 to 24 Power fazes capable to handle the 2990WX for prolonged workloads at 1.3 volts?!(as IN heavy duty rendering for a week or two non stop_and not a 2 second cinebench run).
MSI has a 16 faze one that is just good enough to run stock 1.1/2volt with XFR, unless someone will make a decent Monoblock or a very good VRM block.

I also think that with a decent motherboard, a LN" cinebench run will definitely score above 9000 points...possibly just over 10/11k if the memory controller is really good.
 

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Thats not true, my Zenith Extreme and 1959x combo is ok with 4230MHz (Im lucky for 1950x ). I have not issue with any vrm limitation. Look at vrm components here. The same vrm as R6A or R6E. And i9 7900x series are more power hungry in practice after agressive OC...
 

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It's Cinebench, I wouldn't expect most of the latency improvements to improve scores there drastically. That said, for people buying these CPUs with 4 dies , latency likely isn't a top factor.
I haven't read many reviews, but what latency improvements? Threadripper already had lower latencies than Ryzen 1xxx. It was on par or greater than Threadripper 2xxx. 0.8-1ns L1, 2.7-3.0 L2, and 9.5-10ns L3.
 

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WR in Cinebench:

 

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Thats not true, my Zenith Extreme and 1959x combo is ok with 4230MHz (Im lucky for 1950x ). I have not issue with any vrm limitation. Look at vrm components here. The same vrm as R6A or R6E. And i9 7900x series are more power hungry in practice after agressive OC...
Asus Zenith Motherboard is a total piece of crap
....its got an extra 8 PIN EPS that Your 1950 X doesnt even use...its a last minute motherboard using the same template they have been using for years now....ASUS is not the King of the hill anymore, not because there is someone particularly better ( which Gigabyte might likely become), but simply because at ASUS what they care about is selling You the cheapest piece of crap over and over at the highest possible price, and sticking an ROG badge for a threadripper motherboard should offend You that owns one much more than Me that I dont yet, because for a TR4 socket putting a ROG label is a massive downgrade......ASUS has become the same as their TUF line....rebranding and dropping in less and less quality and innovation as time passes.


It il be very very interesting to see in the coming months how many people get their PC on fire or electrocuted and see ASUS in court, for having allowed a bios update to RUN W series on the Zenith so ruthlessly.
 

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the whole power phase thing, its really just about keeping your vrm cool. i dont have a spec sheet on hand, but at least 60 amp power stages seems common, and most TR boards are at least 8 phases, so thats 480 amps. that's 624-672 watts at 1.3-1.4 volts. that'll be more with more phases or higher rated stages. as long as you keep vrm cool, under 90c, then thats fine. they typically don't start derating until something like 105-125c. put a fan on vrm, you'll be fine.
 

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Does anyone know if there will be any ASUS WS class motherboard released, with 18 to 24 Power fazes capable to handle the 2990WX for prolonged workloads at 1.3 volts?!(as IN heavy duty rendering for a week or two non stop_and not a 2 second cinebench run).
MSI has a 16 faze one that is just good enough to run stock 1.1/2volt with XFR, unless someone will make a decent Monoblock or a very good VRM block.

I also think that with a decent motherboard, a LN" cinebench run will definitely score above 9000 points...possibly just over 10/11k if the memory controller is really good.
It'll just be a clone of the retail model with workstation features as they've done in the past unless they released a retail model with 16 phases first. The Zenith requires 1.400v to get 4000mhz to maintain stability ( in TTL's video ) whereas the 16 phase MSI board only needed 1.360v for 4050mhz. 50mhz and 40mV lower. You'd also get 70A parts ( infineon doesn't list these on their own site ) vs the more common 60A.

 

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Asus Zenith Motherboard is a total piece of crap
....its got an extra 8 PIN EPS that Your 1950 X doesnt even use...its a last minute motherboard using the same template they have been using for years now....ASUS is not the King of the hill anymore, not because there is someone particularly better ( which Gigabyte might likely become), but simply because at ASUS what they care about is selling You the cheapest piece of crap over and over at the highest possible price, and sticking an ROG badge for a threadripper motherboard should offend You that owns one much more than Me that I dont yet, because for a TR4 socket putting a ROG label is a massive downgrade......ASUS has become the same as their TUF line....rebranding and dropping in less and less quality and innovation as time passes.


It il be very very interesting to see in the coming months how many people get their PC on fire or electrocuted and see ASUS in court, for having allowed a bios update to RUN W series on the Zenith so ruthlessly.
Is it the cooling problem or something else? I saw that it only hit 70C for MSI but it goes to 112C on the VRM for the Zenith. ( And then 96C when he pushed it even further for the MSI and didn't work for the Zenith ).
 

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First post updated with info about reviews
 
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