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[SA] AMD chides Global Foundries in a cryptic release
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I think they mean bad chip as in DOA, that does not fully function, before AMD are paying by Per wafer meaning if there is few bad yielding in some of those wafer, AMD gonna eat those lost
so for example $10 per wafer including the bad one...
Now that same wafer cost only $7 because few of the chips are bad
This will bring price lower to consumer as well
Unless GF are charging more per chips then on wafer.
(Those pricing is just an example)
Originally Posted by Toransu  I get the feeling that this'll mean the end of "unlockable" processors, since they're not taking any "bad" chips to be reborn into dual/quad/(most possibly)hexa-core processors. |
so for example $10 per wafer including the bad one...
Now that same wafer cost only $7 because few of the chips are bad
This will bring price lower to consumer as well
Unless GF are charging more per chips then on wafer.
(Those pricing is just an example)
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Or AMD could charge the same but make more money. Either way, more money for AMD is good.
Originally Posted by DrDarkTempler I think they mean bad chip as in DOA, that does not fully function, before AMD are paying by Per wafer meaning if there is few bad yielding in some of those wafer, AMD gonna eat those lost so for example $10 per wafer including the bad one... Now that same wafer cost only $7 because few of the chips are bad This will bring price lower to consumer as well Unless GF are charging more per chips then on wafer. (Those pricing is just an example) |
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Either this.. Or theyre just having a really hard time with initial 32nm production.. I thought i remember hearing intel had problems with their 32nm production process right off the bat too
Originally Posted by Fr0sty amd has a signed agreement with glofo to use more of their fabs capacity in the future ... amd cant back up out of such contract easily ... and anyway glofo is amd's past foundry .. so they know alot about this business ... paying for good chips instead of paying for a full wafer and end up paying for some duds that you cant sell is better.. its win/win for amd ... so i wish them well with this new approach doesnt mean that at all ... it could mean that amd was losing valueable money and since they own 30% shares of glofo they negotiated a deal because they have a contract to use glofo more and more in the future .. so glofo said why not .. they are a customer we wont lose anyway .... so glofo take the blow on the yield part .. not that it might be horrible .. and amd makes as much proffit as they can ... so more money for development .. and maybe more aggresive pricing .. wich would result in more dies request .. wich is more demand for glofo wich is win for them .... or it could be something more simple along the line of OMG bulldozer is fail or something stupid like that |
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No. Charging per die means that GloFo's yields are very bad. It means that AMD are sucking tonnes of loss from bad wafers at the moment. This means that AMD will be paying quite a high price per die - purely because the other dies are of bad quality. They'll be saving some money in the short term, but if GloFo improves its 32nm process, it could tip the balance towards AMD losing lots of money.
This is a real indicator of GloFo performance - even nVidia pay by the wafer at TSMC, and they had torrid yields at one point.
Originally Posted by killeraxemannic Sweet this just means that AMD is finding a way to make the BD chips cheaper for consumers! |
This is a real indicator of GloFo performance - even nVidia pay by the wafer at TSMC, and they had torrid yields at one point.
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Not true. DOAs are caused by damage in transit - not at the fab - those ones are filtered out and never get that far. Of the chips made, between 10 and 50% could have an issue of some kind. This article goes into detail about the process of making a die and binning - quite interesting: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpu...and-to-shelf/1
Originally Posted by HybridCore I would say this is a smart move. Now we'll have less complaining that products come DOA or need to be RMAed. Save some money. That doesn't mean you won't be able to get products that unclock. They just give you the good chips. Good chips work. Unclockable chips are unclockable. |
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