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Any chance there will be a cooling solution for the Samsung 950 pro NVMe M.2 drive? It's amazingly fast and at a relatively affordable price, but these NVMe drives could do with a bit of cooling (why you made the Intel 750 solution right?). I'm thinking of upgrading my system to Z170 while I'm at it with the whole Wc loop thing and if so would get one of those for my boot drive.<br>
I've read they can suffer from heat throttling so some kind of cooling solution would be beneficial.<br>
I guess it would be something close to the mosfet or ram coolers and use the M.2 mount holes with longer screws.<br>
Any thought, any possibility?
 

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it's not that hot, it's not like your copying 150gb files every second of the day...<br>
here's a temp on normal usage (gaming + folding)...<br>
ssd is beneath the 2nd gpu so airflow isn't that good...<br><br><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2632573/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2632573" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2632573/flags/LL" style="; width: 357px; height: 366px"></a>
 

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it's not that hot, it's not like your copying 150gb files every second of the day...<br>
here's a temp on normal usage (gaming + folding)...<br>
ssd is beneath the 2nd gpu so airflow isn't that good...<br><br><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2632573/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2632573" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2632573/flags/LL" style="; width: 357px; height: 366px"></a></div>
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Well, that's still almost twice the temp of the regular SSD, and for me that heat source would be close to the air intake on my gfx card (no block available for it).<br>
I realized that there's just one screw holding it though so not much to fasten a block with, but still think it would be nice if it was possible.
 

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I found this on AnandTech while testing the drive.<br><br>
"This analysis has turned up some surprises. For starters, the 950 Pro's power consumption noticeably increases as it heats up - indicating that the heat/leakage effect is enough of a factor to be measurable here - and I've seen its idle power climb by as much as 4.5% from power on to equilibrium. Pointing a fan at the drive quickly brings the power back down. For this review, I made no special effort to cool the 950 Pro."<br><br>
And that is about it in idle mode.
 

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Maybe OEM something like this and sell it with a water block for ANY M.2? (if motherboard M.2 isn't possible)<br><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2632756/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2632756" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2632756/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 263px"></a>
 

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Any chance there will be a cooling solution for the Samsung 950 pro NVMe M.2 drive? It's amazingly fast and at a relatively affordable price, but these NVMe drives could do with a bit of cooling (why you made the Intel 750 solution right?). I'm thinking of upgrading my system to Z170 while I'm at it with the whole Wc loop thing and if so would get one of those for my boot drive.<br>
I've read they can suffer from heat throttling so some kind of cooling solution would be beneficial.<br>
I guess it would be something close to the mosfet or ram coolers and use the M.2 mount holes with longer screws.<br>
Any thought, any possibility?</div>
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I'm considering the Samsung 950 pro also, performance beats the Intel 750, and the price is lower.<br><br>
Although have a feeling Intel will counter with an even faster 8-lane device very soon, and with only 20 available lanes with Z170, might need to go with X99 to use the future Intel PCIe NVMe drives.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>iBruce</strong> <a href="/t/1580318/samsung-950-pro-cooling#post_24604325"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif"></a><br><br>
I'm considering the Samsung 950 pro also, performance beats the Intel 750, and the price is lower.<br><br>
Although have a feeling Intel will counter with an even faster 8-lane device very soon, and with only 20 available lanes with Z170, might need to go with X99 to use the future Intel PCIe NVMe drives.</div>
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You mean like <a class="bbcode_url" href="http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-dc-p3608-series.html" target="_blank">this?</a> <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/smile.gif"><br>
Price is definitely better for the Samsung offerings, but talk about heat throttling and increased power draw due to heat, even in idle mode, keeps coming up in reviews. It might be as simple as adding some aluminium heatsinks with thermal glue, but eventually some solution is likely needed. There seems to be a notable difference in performance between the 256 and 512 versions, but I will only be able to get the 256.<br><br>
I wonder where a future "x99 Skylake" (X190?) will be at with lanes.
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>Wolftame</strong> <a href="/t/1580318/samsung-950-pro-cooling#post_24604513"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif"></a><br><br>
You mean like <a class="bbcode_url" href="http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/solid-state-drives/solid-state-drives-dc-p3608-series.html" target="_blank">this?</a> <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/smile.gif"><br>
Price is definitely better for the Samsung offerings, but talk about heat throttling and increased power draw due to heat, even in idle mode, keeps coming up in reviews. It might be as simple as adding some aluminium heatsinks with thermal glue, but eventually some solution is likely needed. There seems to be a notable difference in performance between the 256 and 512 versions, but I will only be able to get the 256.<br><br>
I wonder where a future "x99 Skylake" (X190?) will be at with lanes.</div>
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Yep, that’s the one, it takes 8 full lanes to run, bet it runs very warm when fully utilized, but the smallest capacity 1.6TB costs waaaaaaay too much, over $3,000 for that drive. Really nice looking though, wish Intel would start offering black PCBs for their NVMe drives.<br><br>
I’ll rather pick up the Samsung 512GB for $359. Would be great if EK offered a water block for the Samsung 950 Pro, but doesn’t adding small blocks like that to your loop add huge amounts of restriction?<br><br>
I wouldn’t want to run my D5 pump way up at an audible level in order to compensate for the SSD water block.<br><br><a class="bbcode_url" href="http://s296.photobucket.com/user/iBruceEVGA/media/intel.web.720.405_zpsnzcdjzii.png.html" target="_blank"></a><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633213/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2633213" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633213/flags/LL" style="; width: 720px; height: 405px"></a>
 

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Yep, that’s the one, it takes 8 full lanes to run, bet it runs very warm when fully utilized, but the smallest capacity 1.6TB costs waaaaaaay too much, over $3,000 for that drive. Really nice looking though, wish Intel would start offering black PCBs for their NVMe drives.</div>
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This is an enterprise drive though and likely not bootable either, I don't think the aesthetics is that important in a server environment. For a consumer product though, yes, black is the way to go! <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/smile.gif"><br><div class="quote-container" data-huddler-embed="/t/1580318/samsung-950-pro-cooling#post_24604563" data-huddler-embed-placeholder="false"><span>Quote:</span>
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I’ll rather pick up the Samsung 512GB for $359. Would be great if EK offered a water block for the Samsung 950 Pro, but doesn’t adding small blocks like that to your loop add huge amounts of restriction?<br><br>
I wouldn’t want to run my D5 pump way up at an audible level in order to compensate for the SSD water block.</div>
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As for restrictions, should be similar to a mosfet block? The issue I see is how to mount it to the M.2 as you only have access to one screw holding it down. Also, the M.2 slots aren't in the same position on different motherboards and might conflict with PCIe cards. An PCIe card with a normal block like I posted above wouldn't be much of an issue, but then you'd be using CPU lanes and not chipset.<br>
Not sure how to best go about it, but if there was a solution I would get it.
 

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The Samsung 950 Pro might benefit a great deal with simply a well engineered passive heatsink someone is bound to create one. I'd rather go that route than water cooling an M.2, even though a water cooled M.2 would look very sexy just like the EK Intel 750 water block, for me i'm just not one to put everything underwater simply because its possible to do so.<br><br>
CPU and video card, the rest of the build can easily be air cooled, but then my build is only a work rig, nothing fancy. <img alt="redface.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/redface.gif">
 

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<div class="quote-block">Originally Posted by <strong>iBruce</strong> <a href="/t/1580318/samsung-950-pro-cooling/10#post_24604777"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif"></a><br><br>
The Samsung 950 Pro might benefit a great deal with simply a well engineered passive heatsink someone is bound to create one. I'd rather go that route than water cooling an M.2, even though a water cooled M.2 would look very sexy just like the EK Intel 750 water block, for me i'm just not one to put everything underwater simply because its possible to do so.<br><br>
CPU and video card, the rest of the build can easily be air cooled, but then my build is only a work rig, nothing fancy. <img alt="redface.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/redface.gif"></div>
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Wish I could water cool my gfx card, bought it after being told by EK it had a block, which turned out not to be true <img alt="tongue.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/tongue.gif"> (And neither them or anyone else is willing to make the adjustments needed).<br>
I think you're right, a good passive heatsink might be enough as long as airflow is desent. The crap part for me if I do the z170 upgrade with it is that all the heat it generates will be dumped directly into the gfx card air intake.
 

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You could take a piece of aluminium or copper sheet, cut it about the size of the chips and make something that looks like the heat sinks on RAM. You could at least cool the top side.
 

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Wish I could water cool my gfx card, bought it after being told by EK it had a block, which turned out not to be true <img alt="tongue.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/tongue.gif"> (And neither them or anyone else is willing to make the adjustments needed).<br>
I think you're right, a good passive heatsink might be enough as long as airflow is desent. The crap part for me if I do the z170 upgrade with it is that all the heat it generates will be dumped directly into the gfx card air intake.</div>
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I have nice unobstructed airflow for my PCIe area in my build, a 25mmx38mm intake, so a passive M.2 would work well I think, but yea for me the heat moving from the M.2 drive would end up moving into the KingPin 980 card I have for the build. I'm going to use the very cool looking gunmetal gray EVGA air cooler for a few months then I might go with an EK KPE water block, I hope they still offer them early next year.<br><br>
With my case, I get a well designed cross-flow ventilation intake is at left front, exhaust is at right rear, so the cool air should move left to right, and front to rear, it really has no choice in the matter. <img alt="tongue.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/tongue.gif"><br><br><br><a class="bbcode_url" href="http://s296.photobucket.com/user/iBruceEVGA/media/SBS%20Crossflow_zpsnod4o9no.jpg.html" target="_blank"></a><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633311/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2633311" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633311/flags/LL" style="; width: 1024px; height: 768px"></a>
 

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Plenty passives around that should be adaptable.<br><br>
Found these on eBay, $13,5 for 10, free shipping (40x40x11, would need some cutting).<br><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633328/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2633328" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633328/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 350px"></a><br><br>
And this one, £0.99 each and free shipping (100x25x10, also need some length cutting),<br><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633327/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2633327" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633327/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 350px"></a><br><br>
Plenty more if looking around.<br>
Best way to attach them?<br><br>
Ahh, these fits the bill I think, 20x20x10 so 4 of them (5 for £2.15 + 50p shipping).<br><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633344/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2633344" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633344/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 350px"></a><br><br>
And attach with this, 100x20x1 double sided thermal tape (£1.49 + 59p shipping).<br><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633348/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2633348" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2633348/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 350px"></a><br><br>
What do you think?
 

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EK engineers are phenomenally talented, as seems to be everyone in their organization, they could produce a Samsung 950 Pro M.2 passive heat sink in their sleep and have it ready overnight.<br><br>
Although, I don’t believe EK usually delves into air cooling, so maybe an EK M.2 PCIe add-in card with a very sexy low profile water block is more likely possible.
 

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EK engineers are phenomenally talented, as seems to be everyone in their organization, they could produce a Samsung 950 Pro M.2 passive heat sink in their sleep and have it ready overnight.<br><br>
Although, I don’t believe EK usually delves into air cooling, so maybe an EK M.2 PCIe add-in card with a very sexy low profile water block is more likely possible.</div>
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Which is exactly what I suggested (with picture) earlier in this thread. <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/smile.gif">
 

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Which is exactly what I suggested (with picture) earlier in this thread. <img alt="smile.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/smile.gif"></div>
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You’ve got your finger on the pulse of this situation brother, you totally rock in my opinion. <img alt="biggrin.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif"><br><br>
I hope we get an EK low profile M.2 add-in card with water block, something that looks just as sexy as the Intel 750 water block. <img alt="thumb.gif" class="bbcode_smiley" src="http://files.overclock.net/images/smilies/thumb.gif">
 

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The main issue is how not to interfere with the PCIe expansion cards, especially with majority boards having the M2 slot right between the two adjacent PEG slots. What may work for one board will most certainly not work for the other...
 

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The main issue is how not to interfere with the PCIe expansion cards, especially with majority boards having the M2 slot right between the two adjacent PEG slots. What may work for one board will most certainly not work for the other...</div>
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Thoughts on something like a sleeve that takes up a pci slot, but doesn't actually make contact with the mobo's pcie slots? The only requirement would be a free slot somewhere on the chassis. The SSD could directly connect to the m2 slot ideally via a flat or sleeved cable with an L shaped connector. Quick mockup.<br><br><a class="H-lightbox-open" href="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2659122/"><img alt="" class="lightbox-enabled" data-id="2659122" data-type="61" src="http://www.overclock.net/content/type/61/id/2659122/width/350/height/700/flags/LL" style="; width: 350px; height: 350px"></a><br><br>
We all rush to water cool any and everything in our pcs. There's finally something new that would benefit from being underwater and unfortunately there's no simple solution for it! I'm in the process of designing my next PC. I really want one of these, and I really really want a wet one!
 
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