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Found a picture of the Quantum Dots.







Tv above is mine
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This Tv Pictured Here is the 65" Wall Mounted. (My Friends)



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Monitor was ordered from Amazon at an alltime low (That I have seen) for 996USD, so I couldn't pass up the deal and ordered it in preparation for the PS4 Pro Arrival and Battlefield 1 in Nov/Oct release dates.

Rtings did a great review on the monitor which, in my research period, proved extremely useful and educational for input lag/response times/clarity of picture, and 2160p Resolution information.

I haven't purchased a TV in over 3.5 years due to wanting the new 2160p Resolution to become more affordable and catch up tech-wise for HDMI inputs/ and or the inclusion of Displayport to TV units (Which DP 1.2 still isn't available
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HDMI 2.0 can still push a 2160p at 60hz Resolution and refresh rate and I find that adequate enough to warrant a TV purchase.

Here are the input lag Figures Reported by Rtings.



Using game mode at 2160p and HDR is still only 21.6ms of Input Lag!
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Here is the Quote for PC Mode
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Input lag in PC mode is 37.8 ms.
Which still isn't bad
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Connecting the TV seems to use a single link to an input/output Box which is a First (Though I do not have the TV, I cannot elaborate on this subject yet)



I am getting the TV sent via mail instead of picking it up from the local bestbuy store. This is a little nervewracking for myself because I cannot assist the TV during transport. It is scheduled for delivery this week, looks like Thursday or Friday and I really am extremely excited.

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Factory Reset Option for reference.

http://www.samsung.com/au/support/skp/faq/1116455

Have you lost the Icons that say Dynamic, Tv Speaker output, etc?



Unplug the Tv from the Wall for a min or so, then plug back in. Icon should Reappear without have to default tv to factory Settings.
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@daddydc650 Sharp Text is a Problem? Here is the answer he found.
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Game Mode for PC Gaming with clear text:

Change the input to Game Console by editing the input and change the label to something other than PC. If your TV decides to change your input back to PC Mode when booting up your PC, disable Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC). Next, go to your graphics card control panel and change the Output color format to RGB & Output dynamic range to Limited. This should be default when using Nvidia GPU's. Change Special Viewing Mode under your TV's picture settings to Game Mode. With these settings you'll get the same image as PC Mode/4:4;4 as well as only 20ms input lag instead of 35ms.

Enable HDMI UHD Color on every input. Under Picture Size I have 16:9 and Fit to Screen enabled. Under Expert Settings choose backlight @ whatever you're comfy with, Brightness @ 43, contrast @ 95, sharpness @ 0 and color at 50. HDMI black level on auto, Dynamic Contrast @Off (Medium/High if you prefer), Smart LED @High, color tone Warm1 (or 2, whatever you prefer), Gamma at 0 and Color Space @ Auto.

When gaming with HDR enabled, raise brightness to 20 and choose Dynamic Contrast @ Medium or High. You can also choose off also but I prefer High.

PC Mode with 4:4:4 enabled:

Make sure the HDMI input is labeled PC. This will enable true 4:4:4. Next, go to your graphics card control panel and change the Output color format to RGB & Output dynamic range to Limited. This should be default when using Nvidia GPU's.

Make sure HDMI UHD is enabled on every input. Under Picture Mode, choose Standard and then disable every option under ECO Solution. Under expert settings choose backlight @ whatever you're comfy with, brightness @ 43, contrast @ 95, sharpness @ 0 and color at 50. HDMI black level on auto and color tone @ Warm1 (or 2, whatever you prefer).

When gaming with HDR enabled, the backlight should max out automatically.
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Change the input to Game Console by editing the input and change the label to something other than PC Next, go to your graphics card control panel and change the Output color format to RGB & Output dynamic range to Full. Change Special Viewing Mode under your TV's picture settings to Game Mode. With these settings you'll get practically the same image as PC Mode/4:4;4 as well as only 20ms input lag instead of 35ms. If you want colors to be a little more vibrant, adjust Digital Vibrance to your liking. This can be found in the Nvidia Control Panel under Adjust desktop color settings. With AMD GPU's, it should be under Display Color, Saturation.

Enable HDMI UHD Color on every input. Under Picture Size I have 16:9 and Fit to Screen enabled. Under Expert Settings choose backlight @ whatever you're comfy with, Brightness @ 43, contrast @ 95, sharpness @ 0 and color at 50, Dynamic Contrast @ Off (Medium/High if you prefer), Smart LED @ High, color tone Warm1 (or 2, whatever you prefer), Gamma at 0 and Color Space @ Auto.

PC Mode with 4:4:4 enabled:

Make sure the HDMI input is labeled PC. This will enable true 4:4:4. Next, go to your graphics card control panel and change the Output color format to RGB & Output dynamic range to Full. This should be default when using Nvidia GPU's.

Make sure HDMI UHD is enabled on every input. Under Picture Mode, choose Standard and then disable every option under ECO Solution. Under expert settings choose backlight @ whatever you're comfy with, brightness @ 43, contrast @ 95, sharpness @ 0 and color at 50, Smart LED @ High, HDMI black level @ Normal and color tone @ Warm1 (or 2, whatever you prefer).

PC Gaming with HDR Enabled:

For optimum results, switch to Game Mode and use the picture settings posted above for Game Mode. You will also need to change Output Color Format to YCbCr420 and Output color depth to 12 bpc. These two settings can usually be found in your graphics card control panel.
What is everyone's thoughts?

Having trouble with the Auto Dim Feature? Check Here
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Need to Do a Soft Reset?
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Turn the tv off by holding the power button down for 5 seconds. That will soft reset the tv and close all the apps. It won't reset any settings. I think closing the app also prevents the bug from happening, there is a menu if you keep hitting the back button that will have a close app option.
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I purchased the TV through Amazon but dealt with Electronics Express to get the deal on the TV.

When I first purchased the TV, I used my debit card info (And to my knowledge, Didn't know that I couldn't spend that much with it) So Amazon couldn't process my Payment. This took place Saturday. When I got the email for an alternative to process the payment, I put in my Direct Account info which worked, but was never processed (As in, The TV isn't paid for yet, or rather my bank won't show if the cash was taken out)

So I sent them an email. Fedex has the shipping info, yet hasn't shipped yet
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I need this TV to leave the station.

In a response email is states:
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Tracking may take 24-48 hours to updated after the order has shipped.
It's possible I suppose that I am just being paranoid, but would not like the ordered to be postponed more than it is already.

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I've been researching 40+ 4k displays for about 2 weeks now and the KS8000\KS8500 keeps popping up every where as pretty much the best solution right now that doesn't cost $3500+ for a PC monitor. I'd like to get one of the curved 50in ones but I'm worried about the input lag and 60hz coming from my qnix 2710 @120hz. I feel like the picture quality and real estate will counteract any motion issues though from what I'm reading. I'm definitely excited to see what you think of it.
 

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I've been researching 40+ 4k displays for about 2 weeks now and the KS8000\KS8500 keeps popping up every where as pretty much the best solution right now that doesn't cost $3500+ for a PC monitor. I'd like to get one of the curved 50in ones but I'm worried about the input lag and 60hz coming from my qnix 2710 @120hz. I feel like the picture quality and real estate will counteract any motion issues though from what I'm reading. I'm definitely excited to see what you think of it.
Well thank you so much for saying something in the thread! I was wondering how long I would be alone at this point, though that wouldn't stop me from posting my findings.

I do plan on doccing the unboxing, boot up.... etc.

I too have a 2710 (overclocked to 100hz) and also have purchased a Crossover 324k (2160p at 60hz) and hasn't been an issue going from 100hz to 60hz at all.

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This TV, like almost every other TV is a joke which uses LED PWM Dimming or Flicker which ruins motion clarity and makes some people suffer from health issues like headaches and/or eyestrain:

https://flic.kr/p/BNMRYUPWM Comparison by Deepinthesky Teslastorm, on Flickr

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/pulse_width_modulation.htm#side_effects

Motion Interpolation needs to be enabled (not available in the Game & PC Modes) to get rid of the double image ghosting. Only select Korean monitors/TV's, LG and Sony TV's are PWM/Flicker Free.

Samsung double image ghosting which also looks blurred to the eyes (the camera can't capture the blur since the display is rapidly flickering on and off)


Sony X800D without PWM:


LG OLED without PWM:
 
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This TV, like almost every other TV is a joke which uses LED PWM Dimming or Flicker which ruins motion clarity and makes some people suffer from health issues like headaches and/or eyestrain:
https://flic.kr/p/BNMRYUPWM Comparison by Deepinthesky Teslastorm, on Flickr

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/content/pulse_width_modulation.htm#side_effects

Motion Interpolation needs to be enabled (not available in the Game & PC Modes) to get rid of the double image ghosting. Only select Korean monitors/TV's, LG and Sony TV's are PWM/Flicker Free.

Samsung double image ghosting which also looks blurred to the eyes (the camera can't capture the blur since the display is rapidly flickering on and off)


Sony X800D without PWM:


LG OLED without PWM:
As I see your points, and understand that your knowledge of TVs/Monitors is far greater than mine, I would still have to say that I have yet to have a problem watching a TV that has PWM flicker or what have you.

A lot of people have asked the question about flicker, or interpolation in the comments, and I really have yet to read an answer that produces a negative thought from myself.

As I have said, The deal on the TV is to far gone for me to crawfish out (Not that I would anyway) and I will give you the feedback (Honest I promise as I have no reason not too) about how the tube feels.

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This TV, like almost every other TV is a joke which uses LED PWM Dimming or Flicker which ruins motion clarity and makes some people suffer from health issues like headaches and/or eyestrain:
That's a lot of interesting information, thank you. What would your recommendation be for a large display to be used as a PC monitor? I've looked into 32\34in 4k monitors but it seems like that wouldn't be enough of an upgrade coming from 27in 1440p @120hz. I'm looking for more of an upgrade than going from 24in 1920x1200 @60hz to my current setup. I was also looking at the curved version of this the UN49KS8500.
 

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TV has arrived, went and picked it up at the post office. I can't believe I got a TV shipped.... that was a 1st.

Arrived in cardboard box and you can see the actual TV box has a layer of bubble wrap around it. So that was comforting. Was shipped in a box marked as Fragile.

Bought the TV Saturday morning and it arrived before the expected first date (Sept 29th - OCT 4th)

So +++ All around experience so far.

Going to watch survivor tonight so I stashed the tube at my dad's for the moment. Will take pictures and report back as soon as I can.

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WELL! Ill Be! Got the TV.

Very Impressed with the Packaging, being that I purchased it online and was shipped to me. Was nervous, but the box was in great shape.

It was bubblewrapped in the main box, then the TV box you would buy at the store is inside the bubble wrap.



Perfect Shape Inside.

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Then It has on top inside the box when you first open it



And then all of the excessories, such as the remote



And the stand, with the powercable, and Uconnect (A single cable that everything plugs into: HDMI ports)






And a shot of the TV on. I will take more pictures or somehow try and explain the tv brightness, contrast, etc when I have more time. Was just happy to get it in a couple days after ordering.




Sorry if this shot was a little crooked



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looks good man. I am in the market for a TV soon as well ( i hate spending money most days but need to upgrade the one i have) That one looks pretty slick with good specs. looking forward to an opinion about it and experience you have with it.
 

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That's a lot of interesting information, thank you. What would your recommendation be for a large display to be used as a PC monitor? I've looked into 32\34in 4k monitors but it seems like that wouldn't be enough of an upgrade coming from 27in 1440p @120hz. I'm looking for more of an upgrade than going from 24in 1920x1200 @60hz to my current setup. I was also looking at the curved version of this the UN49KS8500.
The Sony X800D series displays (Rtings review) are the only affordable sub 50" 4K TV's which aren't PWM using faux 4K displays unlike almost everything else. The KS8500 has mediocre color presets with completely skewed gamma compared to the KS800 and Sony, and both Samsung's use motion clarity ruining PWM (example), and have slower pixel response times vs Sony. I prefer the Samsung's glossy screen over the Sony's semi-glossy coating, and both the KS800 and X800D have excellent color presets, but I won't encourage others to buy faux 4K TV's with PWM from companies like Samsung who won't spend the extra dollar on direct current back-lighting.
 

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The Sony X800D series displays (Rtings review) are the only affordable sub 50" 4K TV's which aren't PWM using faux 4K displays unlike almost everything else. The KS8500 has mediocre color presets with completely skewed gamma compared to the KS800 and Sony, and both Samsung's use motion clarity ruining PWM (example), and have slower pixel response times vs Sony. I prefer the Samsung's glossy screen over the Sony's semi-glossy coating, and both the KS800 and X800D have excellent color presets, but I won't encourage others to buy faux 4K TV's with PWM from companies like Samsung who won't spend the extra dollar on direct current back-lighting.
Menacing, what is your opinion on the LG oleds (C6/B6) as a monitor? I don't play actiony games (RPGs mainly), and I'm ok with the 55" size since I will mount it. I am considering the X800D and KS8000 as alternatives, but may just fork over the cash for the LG. I do watch all my movies/TVshows on my current monitor, so the image quality of the LG is tempting. I also want a screen that is much larger than my current 27" Eizo.

I've read all the reviews and checked out Hardforum and AVSforum, but just curious of your opinion.
 

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The Sony X800D series displays (Rtings review) are the only affordable sub 50" 4K TV's which aren't PWM using faux 4K displays unlike almost everything else. The KS8500 has mediocre color presets with completely skewed gamma compared to the KS800 and Sony, and both Samsung's use motion clarity ruining PWM (example), and have slower pixel response times vs Sony. I prefer the Samsung's glossy screen over the Sony's semi-glossy coating, and both the KS800 and X800D have excellent color presets, but I won't encourage others to buy faux 4K TV's with PWM from companies like Samsung who won't spend the extra dollar on direct current back-lighting.
The X800D was initially on my list because of the good reviews it had with motion clarity but a lot users(hard forum, internet, etc...) said they had ended up returning it and going with the KS8000\KS8500 because the black levels were so crap on the Sony and were really happy with the Samsung. Honestly I think I just need to see them in person at this point to make a proper decision.
 

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The X800D was initially on my list because of the good reviews it had with motion clarity but a lot users(hard forum, internet, etc...) said they had ended up returning it and going with the KS8000\KS8500 because the black levels were so crap on the Sony and were really happy with the Samsung. Honestly I think I just need to see them in person at this point to make a proper decision.
I saw the X800D and the S8000 on Display at BestBuy. I found the colours and clarity better on the 8000 + The actual design of the Tv Was significantly better. Thin casing, Very small footprint.

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The X800D was initially on my list because of the good reviews it had with motion clarity but a lot users(hard forum, internet, etc...) said they had ended up returning it and going with the KS8000\KS8500 because the black levels were so crap on the Sony and were really happy with the Samsung. Honestly I think I just need to see them in person at this point to make a proper decision.
We just bought our first 4k TV tonight. We were undecided between the ks8000 and x850d. They were both on display at Best Buy, and we ended up getting the x850d, as in the end it was 100 less. I have yet to game on it, but I will this weekend. We did put in a 4k bluray (Warcraft) and both of us commented on how awesome it looked. Great black levels! Absolutely no light bleed, that we noticed.
 

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Menacing, what is your opinion on the LG oleds (C6/B6) as a monitor? I don't play actiony games (RPGs mainly), and I'm ok with the 55" size since I will mount it. I am considering the X800D and KS8000 as alternatives, but may just fork over the cash for the LG. I do watch all my movies/TVshows on my current monitor, so the image quality of the LG is tempting. I also want a screen that is much larger than my current 27" Eizo.

I've read all the reviews and checked out Hardforum and AVSforum, but just curious of your opinion.
Both LG's are PWM/Flicker Free, destroy all LCD's image quality wise and support 4:4:4, but the B6 has very high input lag (70ms which is double that of Samsung & Sony's 4:4:4 lag) and inferior HDR support. Like displays which use PWM, I would not buy the B6 on principle since it has unstable and high input lag which makes mouse use floaty and laggy feeling. The E6 also offers better HDR support than the B6

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/e6
http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/b6
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The X800D was initially on my list because of the good reviews it had with motion clarity but a lot users(hard forum, internet, etc...) said they had ended up returning it and going with the KS8000\KS8500 because the black levels were so crap on the Sony and were really happy with the Samsung. Honestly I think I just need to see them in person at this point to make a proper decision.
Poor black depth from Sony the X800D is either from panel lottery, user error (using the wrong HDMI Black Level setting) or user stupidity (using it in the dark with the brightness cranked; no LCD has high enough static contrast to display black as black instead of greyish when outputting 300cdm/2 brightness) since the panel has >3,500:1 contrast..

Glossy screens like the KS800 look better in stores versus the X800D since it's semi-glossy coating turns reflections caused by the store lights into white haze and reduces color vibrancy. When used as intended with a biased light in an otherwise light-less room the differences become minute.

Left Glossy vs Semi-Glossy vs Plasma Deposition Coating: Make sure to view the full screen version (link) in another window
 

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Little update from last night.

Watched 2 shows on the KS8000.

Used HBO Go through the PS4 to watch ROME.

Had the TV set on Game Mode: While watching Rome, I switched Game Mode off and Set HDR on and Immediately starting to see Judder.
I had to set all of the Inputs (HDMI) to have "HDMI UHD Colour" Which allows the full bandwidth of HDMI 2.0 to the TV from the Source. This is not set by default.

In the write up from Rtings.com about the KS8000 they say to remove the judder, you set AUTO MOTION to CUSTOM, then take both of the sliders down to 0. This removes the judder and won't initiate the SOE effect.

After Watching ROME on Game mode (The Episode Finished) we then watched an Episode of Walking Dead. I did the same test as turning Game Mode off and Running HDR with the show. I saw no judder nor did I change any other settings previously mentioned by RTings.

The HDR really was crystal clear, the stream I checked from Netflix was still in 1080p 60hz.

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