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This thread is to be used as both the club for the Scythe Mugen 2 and as an information and question repository.


DARK KNIGHT vs MUGEN 2
MUGEN 2 WINS
FAQ
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Note: Please tag all Mugen 2 related PMs as [Mugen] in the title.
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Which cooler is better, the Xigmatek Dark Knight or the Scythe Mugen 2?

The Scythe Mugen 2 consistently receives better temperatures than the Dark Knight. The Mugen 2 also comes with mounting for the LGA 775, LGA 1366, LGA 478, AM2, AM2+, AM3, 940, 939 and 754. In addition, up to 4 fans can be attached opposed to only 2 on the Dark Knight. The included fan, a Scythe Slipstream, is considered to be quite silent aswell. The Scythe Mugen 2 also does not need to be lapped. The Scythe Mugen 2 can also be mounted up/down and left/right, while the Dark Knight only works up/down*, which may not be optimal if you have a top-mounted PSU or weak/no top fans. However, some drawbacks are that the Scythe Mugen 2 is not as easy to mount, and the Scythe Mugen 2 can block RAM slots if you have tall RAM heatsinks, such as OCZ reapers or Corsair Dominators. The Mugen 2 is priced $5 to $10 cheaper than the dark knight.

*on certain AMD sockets

How does it compare to a Thermalright Ultra Extreme (TRUE)?
The Scythe Mugen 2 can compete with an unlapped TRUE, however, when the TRUE is lapped, it will perform better than the Mugen 2. Since the Mugen 2 is already very flat, it will not see much performance gain when lapped, so a lapped Mugen 2 will still be out performed by a lapped TRUE.

How does it compare to a Megahalems/SuperMega?New!
Megahalems & Super Mega beat it, hands down. However, the Megahalems are more expensive.

Do I need to lap my Scythe Mugen 2?
No, you do not, since it already has a very, very flat base. However, you can if you want to.

What thermal paste comes with the Mugen 2?
Scythe-rebranded generic stuff. Its acceptable, but you are far better off using a different paste

What fan comes with the Mugen 2?
Scythe Slipstream 1200RPM

Isn't the Mugen 2 gigantic?
It is a large cooler, but unless you have very tall RAM, your Mugen 2 will NOT block any RAM slots. At worst, it will hover over your RAM, but still allow for 'normal' sized RAM sticks to fit under. In some cases, the fan may have to directly rest on a RAM stick.

How should I mount my Mugen 2
You should mount it so that the ridges go with the airflow. You also want to mount the fan on the longer broader sides. This typically means the Mugen 2 will be mounted Up/Down, as seen in this picture. The reason why is the ridges will create turbulence if the air flow goes against the ridges, and the ridges were created to move more air through.

What is the best thermal compound for the Mugen 2? New!
The usual good thermal compound works great with the Mugen 2. These include OCZ Freeze, Arctic Silver 5, Indigo Extreme, IC Diamond, and a few others. The stuff that comes with the Mugen 2 isn't very good at all. Both the Rice Grain and the Pea methods are successful and recommended around here.

What is the difference between the original Mugen 2 and the 'Rev B.' Mugen 2? New!
Although the heatsink itself is identical to the 'original', the Rev. B has a new mounting bracket, and adds compatibility with the LGA 1156 socket. You no longer need to change the backplate out either, as the new backplate goes around the installed backplate. Installation of the Mugen 2 Rev. B, however, is still a bit of a tricky effort.

The Rev. B box will have yellow/green highlights near the top of the box. The Original Mugen 2 will have blue/purple highlights near the top of the box.




What fans should I put on my Mugen 2?New!
Although the stock fan that comes with the Mugen 2 performs decently, you might want to have a look at this thread. Its for the Megahalems (Another very fine Air cooler), but it should give you a good idea of what works for the Mugen 2. Expect more information coming soon.

How should I mount my 2nd fanNew!
Scythe has fan clips available for purchase, however, you can find many home made solutions for mounting your Mugen 2.
Paperclip Mount
Paperclip Mount 2
Zipties
VERY BEAUTIFUL Zipties
Twistties

Mugen 2 Installation video:


Benchmarks and Temperatures:
_Marvin_
PowerTrip


If you have anymore information you would like in the FAQ, please PM me.
Note: Please tag all Mugen 2 related PMs as [Mugen] in the title.

For membership inquiries, PM Powertrip (The Co-Owner, his post is underneath)
 

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Newegg Link to the Mugen 2 Rev B.

I would also like to point out that one of our members, skugpezz, has switched over from a Xigmatek Dark Knight to a Mugen 2 and saw a drop of ~10*C on his AMD Setup!
http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...ml#post6916111

Another test comparison from one of our newer members, Mark the Bold, bought a Corsair H50 and compared it to his Mugen 2, the results were surprisingly in favor of our cooling champ
http://www.overclock.net/air-cooling...ml#post8256838

1nn3run1v3rs3's Simplified Installation of the Mugen 2:


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Originally Posted by mushrooshi View Post
The Scythe Mugen 2 can also be mounted up/down and left/right, while the Dark Knight only works up/down, which may not be optimal if you have a top-mounted PSU or weak/no top fans.
Please remove this as it's completely false.

 

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Originally Posted by nathris View Post
Please remove this as it's completely false.


Hmm... I read that several times in threads... but pictures are proof. Alright, fixed.
 

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Scythe Mugen 2 FTW!

4.1Ghz Overclock @1.325 vCore, 49*C under Prime95 full load


At first, it looks tough to install, but then you figure out that you have to install differently than other coolers. Here's a video on how to install it in 5 minutes.
YouTube - eiskaltmacher.de Montage Scythe Mugen 2
you should use small fft, it gives off more heat from the cpu from what i have found personally
 

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I believe the dark knight could only be mounted on amd systems vertically unless you bought a s-clip. Need confirmation though, I'm just pulling this from the back of my head.
 

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Man what's with the Dark Knight hate LOL

It's just a heatsink.

I'm using Mushkin Redline RAM, the cpu fan is raised ever so slightly, about .25", but it clears.

This is about the hottest I see the cpu get in my current configuration, 3.8ghz 1.2V with ram at 1451mhz 7-7-7-18 This is running Linx and Blend at the same time.

New fans incoming later this week from newegg and the mugen2 will be set for push-pull, and some more cable management inside the case

LL
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How can you tell hes not?

small fft starts with 8k, in his ss it starts with 4k which is the blend test

and to op:
very nice informational guide you put together! rep+
 

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you should use small fft, it gives off more heat from the cpu from what i have found personally
Well the default test is 49*C.

I just did a few minutes of small FFT's out of curiousity, Load temps went up to 53*C. Still pretty good in my opinion.

 

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Originally Posted by sLowEnd View Post
Not completely false.

Half false.

It doesn't mount that way on AM2/AM2+/AM3
I'm pretty sure that if you get the Thermalright AM2 bolt through kit it will work front-back.

Quarter false.
 

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I'm pretty sure that if you get the Thermalright AM2 bolt through kit it will work front-back.
No. It has a dip in the middle that doesn't allow it to work with the Xigmatek.

The TRUE also mounts facing upwards btw, so even if it did work, it'll still be facing upwards.
 

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But the Dark Knight is so pretty! Haha but seriously the Mugen 2 looks beast and if I didn't get 26 idle with my cooler I would be all over one.
 

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But the Dark Knight is so pretty! Haha but seriously the Mugen 2 looks beast and if I didn't get 26 idle with my cooler I would be all over one.
I find 26c idle with your cooler and those volts very hard to believe, unless you have a very low ambient.
 
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