Should I RMA this 13900KS ?

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cliffhucker

Discussion Starter · 13 d ago

My SP is only 105. Will Intel take it back ?

I am just kidding.

However, does this mean much as far as my OC'ing abilities ? Just thinking about it before i start spending a lot of time tuning (learning to) it.

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ITAngel

· #2 · 13 d ago

Based on my understanding from what I have learned here in the forum is that the lower SP the lower the capability to overclock the chip. Most people are always shopping for 110-120+ and I can't answer whether or not you are wasting your time with that CPU. I would say play with it and see how far you can take it tunning the CPU, memory, power, etc... There is only one way to find out, and that is by trying.

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Tom5051

· #3 · 13 d ago

seen K versions with better SP than that. Send it back

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Paradigm Shifter

· #4 · 13 d ago

Tom5051 said:
seen K versions with better SP than that. Send it back

You're suggesting the OP commits fraud?

I doubt you are, but the only way to return it would be to claim it was faulty... which it isn't, it just doesn't have a great SP rating.

cliffhucker said:
However, does this mean much as far as my OC'ing abilities ? Just thinking about it before i start spending a lot of time tuning (learning to) it.

I'd just play with it and not worry too much.

Tom5051

· #5 · 13 d ago

Paradigm Shifter said:
You're suggesting the OP commits fraud? I doubt you are, but the only way to return it would be to claim it was faulty... which it isn't, it just doesn't have a great SP rating.

I'd just play with it and not worry too much.

so you're ok with Intel selling KS chips that are clearly poorly binned?

tcclaviger

· #6 · 13 d ago

Would give it a shot. If it won't play....you have some options.

cliffhucker

Discussion Starter · #7 · 13 d ago

tcclaviger said:
Would give it a shot. If it won't play....you have some options.

what do you mean.. "give it a shot" ?

yzonker

· #8 · 13 d ago

Tom5051 said:
so you're ok with Intel selling KS chips that are clearly poorly binned?

If it's stable at stock speeds, then Intel hasn't done anything wrong.

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Wilco183

· #9 · 13 d ago

I'm thinking @tps3443 current KS is a 104 and posted a video running it on Apex. He's had better, but seems content with results. He's on chiller...your cooler score indicates some awesome cooling as well.

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[OFFICIAL] Asus Strix/Maximus Z790 Owners Thread

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?131027-RaptorLake-Resources SP MC: MC SP -------------------------------------- Tests the MC solely, without touching the DRAM (you can even remove the dram while its testing) , same mc on different boards/dimms should give similar score Tests the...

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cliffhucker

Discussion Starter · #10 · 13 d ago

Wilco183 said:
I'm thinking @tps3443 current KS is a 104 and posted a video running it on Apex. He's had better, but seems content with results. He's on chiller...your cooler score indicates some awesome cooling as well.

[OFFICIAL] Asus Strix/Maximus Z790 Owners Thread

https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?131027-RaptorLake-Resources SP MC: MC SP -------------------------------------- Tests the MC solely, without touching the DRAM (you can even remove the dram while its testing) , same mc on different boards/dimms should give similar score Tests the...

www.overclock.net

Just water loop. can SP change when i go direct die ?

Wilco183

· #11 · 13 d ago

cliffhucker said:
Just water loop. can SP change when i go direct die ?

Think not, but performance-wise, very likely better on yours with loop/DD than my SP 110 (120/92) on 360 AIO.

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Telstar

· #12 · 13 d ago

Return to try another one yes. RMA no because the cpu is not faulty.

tubs2x4

· #13 · 13 d ago

What v/f curve look like? Might be low ecore but not bad p core causing a lower sp score.

cliffhucker

Discussion Starter · #14 · 13 d ago (Edited)

delete this post

cliffhucker

Discussion Starter · #15 · 13 d ago

tubs2x4 said:
What v/f curve look like? Might be low ecore but not bad p core causing a lower sp score.

P-Core SP 113
E-Core SP 89

cliffhucker

Discussion Starter · #16 · 13 d ago

It looks like BH might let me exchange it. What are the chances it could be worse ?

tps3443

· #17 · 13 d ago

I think all 13900KS chips are good. I have tested (3) KS on direct die. I have tested (2) SP117 and (1) SP104. The SP117 chips are the ELITE samples. We’re talking like SP126-SP129 P-Cores. And SP95-SP103 E-Cores, these are stellar examples. However, even with that being said. They are only a little better than my “below average” SP104 KS chip. A little better as in about -0.025MV to -0.055MV at the same P-Core frequencies, while simultaneously being able to run +100 to +200 faster on the E-Cores. This made me extremely content with my SP104 13900KS.

KS chips are binned totally differently than a normal K and I can 100% feel that when overclocking one. My chip can run very high clocks even with ambient water. They manage heat better, and maintain stability so much easier. Now, this is all being said assuming you have a KS on direct die. Because, the stock IHS and solder is absolutely hot garbage!

Intel isn’t really focused on SP rating with these. They’re checking something else with the silicon when they are binned. And any KS is just fantastic once placed on Direct die cooling.

Forget about SP! Delid, direct die, and overclock it!! KS rules.

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cliffhucker

Discussion Starter · #18 · 13 d ago

tps3443 said:
I think all 13900KS chips are good. I have tested (3) KS on direct die. I have tested (2) SP117 and (1) SP104. The SP117 chips are the ELITE samples. We’re talking like SP126-SP129 P-Cores. And SP95-SP103 E-Cores, these are stellar examples. However, even with that being said. They are only a little better than my “below average” SP104 KS chip. A little better as in about -0.025MV to -0.055MV at the same P-Core frequencies, while simultaneously being able to run +100 to +200 faster on the E-Cores. This made me extremely content with my SP104 13900KS.

KS chips are binned totally differently than a normal K and I can 100% feel that when overclocking one. My chip can run very high clocks even with ambient water. They manage heat better, and maintain stability so much easier. Now, this is all being said assuming you have a KS on direct die. Because, the stock IHS and solder is absolutely hot garbage!

Intel isn’t really focused on SP rating with these. They’re checking something else with the silicon when they are binned. And any KS is just fantastic once placed on Direct die cooling.

Forget about SP! Delid, direct die, and overclock it!! KS rules.

thanks for your insight. good to hear from your experience

Wilco183

· #19 · 13 d ago

cliffhucker said:
It looks like BH might let me exchange it. What are the chances it could be worse ?

90% chance for better, 60% much better methinking.

Telstar

· #20 · 13 d ago

cliffhucker said:
What are the chances it could be worse ?

20%.

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