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so my trusty old socket 1155 system seems to have had its day. the i5-2500k died, a ram stick is capput, and the operating system is 'corrupted'. so i am looking at a quick/cheap fix with an i3-2100 which should be here tomorrow (£8 - Ebay), see if i can get it to boot and save my project data from my HDD. then it will be decision time. do i continue to upgrade what i have :- Gigabyte CA-Z77X-UD3H/ socket 1155/DDr3 Ram. or start looking at a totally new type of system ? maybe somebody's cast-off ? ideas and suggestions from you guys are always so helpful :)
 

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Generic response but decision will depend on a variety of factors:

Timeline?
Budget?
Requirements?
Workflow / goals?

Making some assumptions, I believe you didn't anticipate your rig just dying so would it be fair to say your budget is rather slim?

I wouldn't invest further in that platform. Its about 10 years old. This is coming from a Sandy Bridge-E owner.

If you're more interest in the value and you have the time, I'd personally hunt for some cast-offs. The next few months, you should see more used ads pop-up as a new generation of CPU/GPU's are bout to pop-up.

If you decide not to go with that route (always a risk with used hardware), i'll let others chime in on providing a modern rig recommendation.

On a personal note, I just enjoy the salvage / value builds rather than the high investment in 100% new hardware. In either case, I highly advise you start with a new PSU. Who knows... maybe that is the cause of all your hardware failures? CPU's rarely die after 10 years. Was it OC'd? And it seems like other components are dying too...
 

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That is the CPU that kept proving everyone wrong. Depend on the specific games you play, I firmly believe it could have another year or two left (funny I was thinking/saying this two, three, and four years ago...), but in a broader sense, its time has passed some time ago. You really want a 4 core/8 thread or better yet a 6 core/12 thread CPU as a more ideal minimum now.

I recently replaced mine. It was a combination of running out of RAM (most important), the Windows 7 OS being unsupported and, though it works now, becoming increasingly unsupported, and the CPU being the same. I went with an 8 core CPU since longevity was a priority, and though I considered adding more DDR3 RAM, I didn't want to be a year or two out and needing a huge CPU overhaul for more games and/or finding out Windows 7 was less working. I figured, even at a much higher cost, I might as well just do it now while everything aligned rather than sourcing an overpriced, used second or third generation Core i7 plus the cost of 32 GB worth of DDR3 RAM (and still be on an unsupported OS), though I'd have loved to try and use it further just to see how long it could realistically go. It almost went a decade, could have went more, and that's fantastic enough.

The OS issue can be fixed, at worst, with a reinstall, though if that's Windows 7, you're in the same spot I was. The data can be gotten if you can put it in another PC regardless of if the CPU gets it working or not though.

Since you went with a Core i3 over getting another used Core i5 (these tend to be cheaper, unlike the Core i7s which are selling for much more), it sounds to me like, subconsciously, you're already questioning putting more into the platform, but I could be reading into that. Whenever you have a big failure like that, I would say what needs to be considered is what are your needs of the system, now and in the upcoming couple or few years, and what is your financial situation at the moment like? It's easier to make a plan around that.
 

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great response, sound logic and all that. yes this rig is around 6-7 yrs old. the OS is windows 10. i am hoping to be able to retrieve the key once i get booted up again, and see if Microsoft can help me with a reinstall, or i get another key from somewhere. Budget is nil right now (out of work since march) so i am really at the planning stage for my next upgrade/rebuild or a new/used rig or something, while i figure out how to fund it. having had a quick look around i can see that things really have moved along somewhat. if i stick with intel then i guess i should be looking at i7 minimum, and if i jump or i consider a move over to AMD Ryzen. Gaming would be Pub-G , Battlefield etc. as well as other stuff. i run 2 monitors. i do like to build my own rigs, seems more fun. I would love to build something high spec with w/c but thats a total different ball game really. just owning one would be nice. more research needed, and one eye on the forum marketplace i think.
 

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If funds are limited, I'd try and source a similar replacement (second or third generation Core i5) and try and figure out what's up with the OS installation. It's the minimum cost to get you to parity as used Core i5s from that generation should be cheap, though I don't know what your used or local prices are, and you shouldn't have to deal with activating Windows issues if the motherboard doesn't change. If funds are really limited, stick with the Core i3 you ordered if missing the two cores isn't a major issue until you can get yourself something better.

In a broader sense, yes, things have progressed a lot. Though this might not be too pertinent to you if you're not upgrading today (a lot can change in a year or two, or even half a year, as Zen 3 is due soon, and I believe Intel's 11th-generation is possibly due out within a year as well), but here's the rundown I got when I was researching before my recent changes. AMD made big progress when it launched its Zen (first generation Ryzen) CPUs a few years ago, and with the improvements to it over the course of a refresh and then a second generation, they are really hitting a stride. Intel retains the per-core advantage, but it's not like it used to be, while the price premium it used to have remains. Intel is struggling with 10 nm and is still on 14nm, whereas AMD is on 7nm, and to retain that per core advantage, Intel has pushed clock speeds to near or beyond 5 GHz, so power draw and heat (and needed cooling) are considerations if you're going with a Core i7 or a Core i9 and intending to push it to get the most out of it. For both Intel and AMD though, the CPUs are clocked by default closer to their ceilings (more so for AMD actually) and have "smart"-like automatic boosting that takes temperature and voltage into consideration, not unlike modern GPUs, to where overclocking is less of a thing you miss out on if you don't do it.
 
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well, this thread has really opened my eyes. thats what i love about this forum. this could be morphing into an AMD thread, lol. looking at what is now available as a bundle with Ryzen 5 or 7 has really surprised me. and i can see there is no point in chasing the socket 1155 upgrade options - i5/i7 on my old board. or even i9 and a new build. , so yeh i think AMD Ryzen is looking like the way forward for me. just as a starting point i saw this bundle for £300 ($230) and was very surprised. so if i shop around i am sure i can come up with something affordable that will do what i need it to. i mean i5 to Ryzen 5 is a huge step on its own, right?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMD-RYZEN-7-2700X-BUNDLE-8-CORE-GIGABYTE-A320M-S2H-MOTHERBOARD-16GB-RAM/254656839085?hash=item3b4abafdad:g:TF4AAOSwW99fEjCN
 

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well, this thread has really opened my eyes. thats what i love about this forum. this could be morphing into an AMD thread, lol. looking at what is now available as a bundle with Ryzen 5 or 7 has really surprised me. and i can see there is no point in chasing the socket 1155 upgrade options - i5/i7 on my old board. or even i9 and a new build. , so yeh i think AMD Ryzen is looking like the way forward for me. just as a starting point i saw this bundle for £300 ($230) and was very surprised. so if i shop around i am sure i can come up with something affordable that will do what i need it to. i mean i5 to Ryzen 5 is a huge step on its own, right?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AMD-RYZEN-7-2700X-BUNDLE-8-CORE-GIGABYTE-A320M-S2H-MOTHERBOARD-16GB-RAM/254656839085?hash=item3b4abafdad:g:TF4AAOSwW99fEjCN
It is. I've been contemplating making the switch from my 3930k (6/12 Sandy-E) to the Ryzen 3600. I'll likely grab one used when the 4000 series comes out. Or if the 4000 series is much improved, pay the premium.

The main reason why I recommend making the switch is for the updated platform. Don't invest further into 1155 (unless you can find a 3700k for dirt cheap).

You'll move up to PCIE Gen 4, gain support for m.2 or NVME (ssd), DDR4 ram etc. There are a lot of perks. However, I'm unsure if you want to go to the shop right now. Mobo, cpu, ram, psu etc... suddenly a single component failure triggers significant costs. Since COVID has impacted nearly everyone, i'd definitely stick with the used market. The Zen+ (2000 Series Ryzen) can be found for good value.

The only thing tricky (from what I know with my limited knowledge) is that Ryzen performance is more dependent on ram speed/latency than previous intel/amd cpus. There are lots of threads that go into detail for RAM recommendations. That is my only hesitation with the link you've provided (no RAM details) but either than that, it appears to be an affordable deal.

In either case, given the age of your rig, I still recommend a new PSU regardless of the decision. EDIT: 6/7 years + failing components doesn't sound good. Just to air on the side of caution.

Example of used market near me (Toronto, Canada)

2700 @ 250 CAD (~145 GBP)
 

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The only thing tricky (from what I know with my limited knowledge) is that Ryzen performance is more dependent on ram speed/latency than previous intel/amd cpus.
I recall prior AMD CPUs, especially APUs, had this said of them a lot too.

It's true that the Infinity Fabric of Ryzen CPUs is used for the interconnect of everything (like core to core, I/O, etc.), of which RAM is involved with, and I'm not sure how Intel's ring bus differs, but both AMD and Intel CPUs stand to gain from faster (either faster frequency or tighter timings) RAM.
 

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here is the spec. for the RAM in the bundle - must be the cheapest basic ddr4 available. kind of puts me off the bundle, i would rather buy separates and get better RAM.


Memory:- x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 32 GB of system memory
Dual channel memory architecture
Support for DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2667*/2400/2133 MHz memory modules
* Actual support may vary by CPU.
Support for ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8 memory modules (operate in non-ECC mode)
Support for non-ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 memory modules
Support for Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules

separates:
CPU : https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B428M7F/ref=asc_df_B07B428M7F/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310818960639&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15322642674768041529&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007118&hvtargid=pla-439263278104&psc=1
MOBO: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gigabyte-GA-A320M-S2H-AMD-Ultra-Durable-Motherboard-Aorus-Ryzen-DDR4-SATA-ATX-PC/283884741971?hash=item4218d96553:g:JIMAAOSwnaVexUUv
RAM: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32GB-3200MHz-2x16GB-DDR4-DRAM-Corsair-Vengeance-Memory-Desktop-RAM-C16/224103103978?epid=3032597127&hash=item342d95fdea:g:~NsAAOSwHW9fJrcW
SSD/OS: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120GB-Windows-10-Pro-Intel-SSD-Solid-State-Hard-Drive-2-5-GENUINE-Licence/303642370166?_trkparms=ispr=1&hash=item46b27ee076:g:rJoAAOSwewhfGrnf&amdata=enc:AQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkpFtSR0CGv%2Bh98r8Yb9quS%2FM9zXmE4lLq8jVZY6P%2F1RjTXz9W8%2B5mOXNFEEZQwOSkIMAty9jJxZwqHZgFJaLwPdWD6oxLrHjkYqB4kroI3eKMIlhIdTlCad0lzvII8TJCbyysvBjos42CIEGjxKQVje%2BAb8uZXfvAIH0ycN%2BLnZxqsYAzsE7t51DuG7GHYauVhuPYKA5ok%2BaMQwITBB98YE%2BrTo0b0wMljMdqN8DAJSKI%2F3xoj9I%2B8eYPNk2EyVyF11qj%2FGa2qYFiHRAdH5%2F3qyy9CEoQ%2BuCcQVB6yX0AuOeU1KZum8%2B64Q2JKgUb%2B6gwA0SQH6qUY%2FFXttLFQfZPqSKO9ZZYXSn37VEh%2Bzzu%2FMiPWYygQpFAFdEVk8YTSJdau68lOXkk3v%2FADyfqwaYvTCQVxb70f80HNz3m1QU1XAY136qjLSz%2FjDiqi9D7y%2BRCu7qIKY%2FQAWIkddtovdZVEiFAyc%2B5r1ek2%2FizkBWiPXCLf6pTYsln9ihuDItxmoK1AlF6lmIAMtrS%2FDt0KK0LqFI%2FsPhs4yyjMSr%2BJqu1qI5aP4VBRbFAWCKAt9qJIl8Y7T9uo1YCmMTK3TtAW8XXqf31tt3Ql08vaQe6gN7%2Bvz30sQjNpGz5pT9UM9zMJeJui8OKc5km%2BmUDqwZuRuvEr7F8VGR6J3F8TeA2TRYtFUvrQKH%2BkxJZxbD9w1UozfmiFKAAb4ksai9tYkIAQ%2FCOJ4JfCkG3UQTMTr6TY5y2BXoUhnavJlLWZkNOoCDSuxQ5cpFVqlUw0Pt5YWGapQMS0w%3D%3D|cksum:3036423701667626a7b7f6254d4da9d8aeed40e746fe|ampid:PL_CLK|clp:2334524

Total cost: £396 ~ $520
 

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here is the spec. for the RAM in the bundle - must be the cheapest basic ddr4 available. kind of puts me off the bundle, i would rather buy separates and get better RAM.


Memory:- x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 32 GB of system memory
Dual channel memory architecture
Support for DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2667*/2400/2133 MHz memory modules
* Actual support may vary by CPU.
Support for ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8 memory modules (operate in non-ECC mode)
Support for non-ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 memory modules
Support for Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules

separates:
CPU : https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B428M7F/ref=asc_df_B07B428M7F/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310818960639&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15322642674768041529&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1007118&hvtargid=pla-439263278104&psc=1
MOBO: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gigabyte-GA-A320M-S2H-AMD-Ultra-Durable-Motherboard-Aorus-Ryzen-DDR4-SATA-ATX-PC/283884741971?hash=item4218d96553:g:JIMAAOSwnaVexUUv
RAM: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/32GB-3200MHz-2x16GB-DDR4-DRAM-Corsair-Vengeance-Memory-Desktop-RAM-C16/224103103978?epid=3032597127&hash=item342d95fdea:g:~NsAAOSwHW9fJrcW
SSD/OS: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/120GB-Windows-10-Pro-Intel-SSD-Solid-State-Hard-Drive-2-5-GENUINE-Licence/303642370166?_trkparms=ispr=1&hash=item46b27ee076:g:rJoAAOSwewhfGrnf&amdata=enc:AQAFAAACcBaobrjLl8XobRIiIML1V4Imu%2Fn%2BzU5L90Z278x5ickkpFtSR0CGv%2Bh98r8Yb9quS%2FM9zXmE4lLq8jVZY6P%2F1RjTXz9W8%2B5mOXNFEEZQwOSkIMAty9jJxZwqHZgFJaLwPdWD6oxLrHjkYqB4kroI3eKMIlhIdTlCad0lzvII8TJCbyysvBjos42CIEGjxKQVje%2BAb8uZXfvAIH0ycN%2BLnZxqsYAzsE7t51DuG7GHYauVhuPYKA5ok%2BaMQwITBB98YE%2BrTo0b0wMljMdqN8DAJSKI%2F3xoj9I%2B8eYPNk2EyVyF11qj%2FGa2qYFiHRAdH5%2F3qyy9CEoQ%2BuCcQVB6yX0AuOeU1KZum8%2B64Q2JKgUb%2B6gwA0SQH6qUY%2FFXttLFQfZPqSKO9ZZYXSn37VEh%2Bzzu%2FMiPWYygQpFAFdEVk8YTSJdau68lOXkk3v%2FADyfqwaYvTCQVxb70f80HNz3m1QU1XAY136qjLSz%2FjDiqi9D7y%2BRCu7qIKY%2FQAWIkddtovdZVEiFAyc%2B5r1ek2%2FizkBWiPXCLf6pTYsln9ihuDItxmoK1AlF6lmIAMtrS%2FDt0KK0LqFI%2FsPhs4yyjMSr%2BJqu1qI5aP4VBRbFAWCKAt9qJIl8Y7T9uo1YCmMTK3TtAW8XXqf31tt3Ql08vaQe6gN7%2Bvz30sQjNpGz5pT9UM9zMJeJui8OKc5km%2BmUDqwZuRuvEr7F8VGR6J3F8TeA2TRYtFUvrQKH%2BkxJZxbD9w1UozfmiFKAAb4ksai9tYkIAQ%2FCOJ4JfCkG3UQTMTr6TY5y2BXoUhnavJlLWZkNOoCDSuxQ5cpFVqlUw0Pt5YWGapQMS0w%3D%3D|cksum:3036423701667626a7b7f6254d4da9d8aeed40e746fe|ampid:PL_CLK|clp:2334524

Total cost: £396 ~ $520
2700x 160 GBP - Gumtree (Manchester)

Food for thought :) I'm not too knowledgeable about all the parts you've selected or what is available. I have NOT been following all the details these past years. I'll let others who are more confident in optimal hardware to chime in. That being said, if you hunt around, you can probably snag a good deal.

My only recommendation is to find a larger SSD. They're pretty affordable these days. You can offset the cost by finding a 3rd party website selling cheaper Windows 10 licenses.

120gb with an install may only leave you with about ~60gb.

Samsung 860 EVO 250gb - 45 GBP

You can always negotiate with used sales... :p
 

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Hi all. its been a while. I have now managed to get some spare parts for my rebuild. I ended up with a really nicely built pre-owned ASUS SabreTooth P67 / Intel i5 2500K (oc'd), 16GB 2133mghz RAM and a GTX 660 GPU. it is a lovely bit of kit and i think it suits my needs just right, as i am not a max gamist, i just play a little. Thanks to everyone for all your help and advice that got me there in the end. :love:
 
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