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Something is wrong with my CPU/Mem need help please.

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Ok guys maybe you can help a fellow OC'er out i OC'ed my computer over again since i had to do a BIOS update and now i notice number one that my CPU core speeds keep dropping and changing from 3600mhz to 2700mhz and cant understand why my RAM now instead of having a 1:2 Ratio is now at 4:6 or is 1:2 only availible when the computer is linked only. No matter what i do it will not change im thinking maybe tighten the memory a little or bring up the voltage on the the CPU not really sure anyone have any ideas?
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Ok guys maybe you can help a fellow OC'er out i OC'ed my computer over again since i had to do a BIOS update and now i notice number one that my CPU core speeds keep dropping and changing from 3600mhz to 2700mhz and cant understand why my RAM now instead of having a 1:1 Ratio is now at 4:6 or is 1:1 only availible when the computer is linked only. No matter what i do it will not change im thinking maybe unloosen the memory a little or bring up the voltage on the the CPU not really sure anyone have any ideas?
Hmm. The only thing I can think of is that there are things in the BIOS that need to be disabled. They are:
  • Spread Spectrum (not related, but should be disabled)
  • Intel Speedstep, Enhanced Intel Speedstep, or "EIST". (it may be directly related)
  • C1E Enhanced Halt State (it may be directly related)
  • CPU Thermal Control (it has options of "TM1", "TM2", and "TM1 & TM2". This is indirectly related and should be disabled)
Not only that, but if you haven't enabled Vdroop Control, then do it. It's worth it!

Disabling all of these and enabling Vdroop Control helps you get the most out of the overclock.
Not only that, but it will stop downclocking.

If this isn't the solution, then we will keep working at it until we find the solution!
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Hmm. The only thing I can think of is that there are things in the BIOS that need to be disabled. They are:
  • Spread Spectrum (not related, but should be disabled)
  • Intel Speedstep, Enhanced Intel Speedstep, or "EIST". (it may be directly related)
  • C1E Enhanced Halt State (it may be directly related)
  • CPU Thermal Control (it has options of "TM1", "TM2", and "TM1 & TM2". This is indirectly related and should be disabled)
Not only that, but if you haven't enabled Vdroop Control, then do it. It's worth it!

Disabling all of these and enabling Vdroop Control helps you get the most out of the overclock.
Not only that, but it will stop downclocking.

If this isn't the solution, then we will keep working at it until we find the solution!
Pretty much nailed it.
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Pretty much nailed it.

I sure hope so!
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Ok i have not checked if those things are disabled i will check them for sure but is there any other way besides vdrooping that can stop my CPU from droping its overclock what about bring the voltage up a little? Matter of fact im not sure my MB has the vdoop option unless its under another name.

And what about the memory ratios any thoughts on that?
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Ok i have not checked if those things are disabled i will check them for sure but is there any other way besides vdrooping that can stop my CPU from droping its overclock what about bring the voltage up a little?

Unfortunately, increasing or decreasing the voltage can't change the clock speed. However, when there isn't enough voltage, then the system becomes unstable, and sometimes won't even POST (Power On Self Test). And increasing the voltage only does two things: it creates more heat, and it provides you with more room to overclock, but it can't change the clock speed alone. That has to be done manually. And that's the fun part of overclocking, of course.

The system is basically going into a power-saving mode. That's basically what all these features do in tandem with each other (except for Spread Spectrum). It's just a way to stay "green", or environmentally friendly for those who choose not to overclock.

So, I believe that disabling these things is the only way. But if, for some strange reason, disabling these things doesn't change anything, then we need to keep working at it. Computers are really obedient: they always do what they're told, and so there's always a reason why computers do what they do, even if it seems really strange, or even if it's not what you want it to do.
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I agree with you the obedient part of the sentence and i greatlly appricate your help on this matter TwoCables you ROCK! i will post a answer on if that solved the problem later in the day since im not able to get to my Desktop at the moment also im not sure theres a option to Enable/Disable Vdroop unless its under a diffrent name becuase remember my board is the ULTRA but not the FTW version of the board i might not have Vdroop control. Just out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the ratio situation im having?
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I agree with you the obedient part of the sentence and i greatlly appricate your help on this matter TwoCables you ROCK! i will post a answer on if that solved the problem later in the day since im not able to get to my Desktop at the moment also im not sure theres a option to Enable/Disable Vdroop unless its under a diffrent name becuase remember my board is the ULTRA but not the FTW version of the board i might not have Vdroop control. Just out of curiosity what are your thoughts on the ratio situation im having?

Oh yeah, the ratio! I got so carried away that I forgot to touch base on that. I'll see what I can do here.

I think that the ratio situation is directly related because I believe that this is happening because of the downclocking that may or may not be caused by those BIOS features being enabled. However I have noticed that, at least with my 680i SLI, I have a much easier time overclocking with Unlinked selected instead of Linked or Sync Mode. This allows me to overclock the FSB without worrying about the memory at all. And another benefit I get is that I can basically overclock the memory to almost anything I want, and I really like that because I don't like anything to be automatic (unless that's specifically what I want). You see, Unlinked basically opens up a whole new world of dividers that you may notice as you're trying to overclock the memory. There will be certain clocks that you can't choose and you're forced to kinda jump over them. So, instead of having only about 5 dividers from which to choose, Unlinked means we have many more, although they're not obvious right away.

Speaking of overclocking the memory, I also recommend trying to change the Command Rate (CR) to 1T (from 2T). This is more or less "for fun" just to see if it's possible in your system. It's not something that everyone's system will allow, however it is recommended to at least try. Note: you may have to loosen the CAS# latency by 1 or 2, and/or you may have to increase the memory voltage for this to actually work. But it's worth it. I mean, if it does work, then you will feel a little boost in performance almost right away. I find that I feel a bigger boost in performance with 1T vs. 2T than I do with a higher clock vs. the stock clock. But, I still like to keep my timings as tight as possible.
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Ok TwoCables heres some new info for you i got on my BIOS today on my Desktop and found that:

1. Spread Spectrum: Was disabled.
2.Intel Speedstep, Enhanced Intel Speedstep: Was disabled.
3.C1E Enhanced Halt State: Was Enabled so i disabled it.
4.CPU Thermal Control: Was the only one i could not find im not sure if its under a diffrent name but this one i could not find to disable.

And oh yea no Vdroop Controler for sure.

But the good thing is that CPU-Z is reading that it is no longer droping the overclock so dasticlly as before its still does drop from 3600Mhz to 3599Mhz and then back up again so theres still a little fluctuations going on but not as big as before.Unless you have any other ideas i can try?

As for the memory my board on has 8x and 6x Dividers i cant really do much more i going to try and maybe tighten them a bit more and see what happens right now my memory is running at 7-7-7-24-1T @ 675Mhz im going to shoot for maybe 6-6-6-18 @457Mhz and maybe that will force the computer to run at 1:2 what do you think?

UPDATE:i cant go passed 7-7-7-24-1T on my memory the computer will not load i get the blue screen tryed switching from 1T to 2T on 6-6-6-18-2T but that did not get passed the Loading windows screen it just sat at a black screen so i went back to the BIOS and set it back to 7-7-7-24-1T i think i pulled enough juice out of these sticks i mean from 1024Mhz @ 8-8-8-23-2T to 1350Mhz @ 7-7-7-24-1T is pretty impressive if you ask me lol.
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Ok TwoCables heres some new info for you i got on my BIOS today on my Desktop and found that:

1. Spread Spectrum: Was disabled.
2.Intel Speedstep, Enhanced Intel Speedstep: Was disabled.
3.C1E Enhanced Halt State: Was Enabled so i disabled it.
4.CPU Thermal Control: Was the only one i could not find im not sure if its under a diffrent name but this one i could not find to disable.
Then the CPU Thermal Control may have a name that has "TM" in it, or maybe it's "Thermal Monitor". Either way, it's not as important as the others.


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And oh yea no Vdroop Controler for sure.
Crap! lol Oh well. Hey wait. Does this motherboard have Load Line Calibration (or "LLC")? I believe that this is an Intel chipset thing only, but hey - I wanna find out. If it does, then enable it! It'll help either reduce the vdroop, or even reverse it. If it reverses the vdroop, then you can set the voltage so that, upon CPU load, it increases to the necessary voltage instead of decreases.

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But the good thing is that CPU-Z is reading that it is no longer droping the overclock so dasticlly as before its still does drop from 3600Mhz to 3599Mhz and then back up again so theres still a little fluctuations going on but not as big as before.Unless you have any other ideas i can try?
Believe it or not, this is 100% normal, and everything's perfect now.


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As for the memory my board on has 8x and 6x Dividers i cant really do much more i going to try and maybe tighten them a bit more and see what happens right now my memory is running at 7-7-7-24-1T @ 675Mhz im going to shoot for maybe 6-6-6-18 @457Mhz and maybe that will force the computer to run at 1:2 what do you think?
Wait, 8x and 6x? This is not something my motherboard has, unless you're referring to the multiplier. Intel calls it the divider for some reason. Can you help me understand? Perhaps I can learn something valuable here.


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UPDATE:i cant go passed 7-7-7-24-1T on my memory the computer will not load i get the blue screen tryed switching from 1T to 2T on 6-6-6-18-2T but that did not get passed the Loading windows screen it just sat at a black screen so i went back to the BIOS and set it back to 7-7-7-24-1T i think i pulled enough juice out of these sticks i mean from 1024Mhz @ 8-8-8-23-2T to 1350Mhz @ 7-7-7-24-1T is pretty impressive if you ask me lol.
Wow. All you need to do now is to fine-tune this with testing. Run the Blend test in Orthos (or the Medium Data Set in OCCT) for like 6-12 hours, and then run Memtest for like 10 passes or so (1 pass is when it finishes all 8 tests that it performs right away by default). If it makes it through this, then it's stable and error-free (respectively).

I wish your system good luck.
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There's nothing to say anymore. TwoCables, nice work mate!
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There's nothing to say anymore. TwoCables, nice work mate!

Thank you for the words of encouragement. Perhaps I'm my own worst critic, but I really wish I knew more to provide more information (there were a few times where I felt a bit too limited). But thankfully, this is OCN and we have some extremely amazing people on here.
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Wait, 8x and 6x? This is not something my motherboard has, unless you're referring to the multiplier. Intel calls it the divider for some reason. Can you help me understand? Perhaps I can learn something valuable here.

Yes indeed i should of been more spacific correct dividers/multiplier i know them by both.


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Wow. All you need to do now is to fine-tune this with testing. Run the Blend test in Orthos (or the Medium Data Set in OCCT) for like 6-12 hours, and then run Memtest for like 10 passes or so (1 pass is when it finishes all 8 tests that it performs right away by default). If it makes it through this, then it's stable and error-free (respectively).
Yep! bealive it or not i have done this OC before but things changed a little when i updated the BIOS so no need for tests i went through the grueling tests the first time for about 12hrs and it ran stable with no problems untill the BIOS update thats why i needed your help but thank you Two Cables your awsome!
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Yes indeed i should of been more spacific correct dividers/multiplier i know them by both.


Yep! bealive it or not i have done this OC before but things changed a little when i updated the BIOS so no need for tests i went through the grueling tests the first time for about 12hrs and it ran stable with no problems untill the BIOS update thats why i needed your help but thank you Two Cables your awsome!


You're very welcome. But I'm not that awesome.
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