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Strange problem with temps shooting up on load

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Last week I made my first watercooled system using Swiftech's H20-220 Apex on a Q6600 B3 (only CPU is cooled)

I overclocked to 3.2 GHz. My Idle temps were 28c and my load temps were hovering around 50-55.

I tested the system with prime 95 for 8h and it was rock stable.

Since yesterday however, my load temps slowly increase from idle to about 55 and then suddenly shoot up to 75c+ in a matter of seconds (2-3 seconds from 55c to the cpu throttling)

Any clue as to what might have happened?
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Have you attempted to re-seat the block?
no. I haven't done anything yet. I don't understand how the block could have moved tho. I haven't touched it since installing and it was working perfectly fine...
Sometimes getting the system operating as it should is trial and error and repetitive tasks.

Generally when I run into issues such as this I try to break it down into it's constituent parts and address each one.

With liquid cooling I ensure that the block is properly seated, sometimes this takes several attempts.

Or - Perhaps you had an air bubble in your loop that moved to a location in the loop that has a greater effect on the cooling potential...

....but I am just guessing.
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k. will try that & report back.
reseated CPU/block with Artic Silver 5 instead of Artic Ceramique. Working great now. ty for advice.
This is what I've been able to achieve:

Q6600 B3 stepping @ 438x8 = 3.5 GHz
V-core @ stock (Shows Core Voltage = 1.49V in CPU-Z)
Idle temp: 34c, Load: 61c
OCZ Ram (PC2-6400) voltage 2.2V, @ 1:1
Stable on Prime95 small FFTs

... Is this as good as it's gonna get?
The delta is a little high, but still within expected parameters considering the components that were included in the kit. And at full-load you are still below the Intel Specs for your chip, which iirc is 62C.

This is in no way a slight on my part toward the 220 Apex kit, as they are reliable "basic" components, and as a generality no fault or flaw can be found in any of them... there are however individual components that you could swap out at a later date should you desire to do so.

If you wanted to lower that Delta, then you might consider lapping the Block, or doing a mod on the pump that increases the flow-rate. I have not done the latter of the 2, but I have read that it can help a little.

Also, adding a shroud between the fans and the radiator, and using 38mm-deep fans to increase the static pressure and airflow will also assist in dropping the temps a tad-bit.
hmmm i'm still having problems.

Basically, my temps have some massive spikes. I'll stay around 50c under load for a while and then shoot up to 70-100c and either PC crashes or temps come back down to 50c after a few seconds.

So, I tried stock speeds/stock voltage no overclock... and same thing happens at full-load.

I've reseated the waterblock already & that didn't help.

I made a vid to show what i mean... http://www.screencast.com/t/SEgBNNxkmwK
Do the spikes in temps coincide with spikes in CPU activity?

Is the pump functioning intermittently?

Did you thoroughly clean and inspect all the components prior to assembly: I seem to recall a person having issues with performance, that upon closer inspection, discovered a piece of packing popcorn in the pump that was inhibiting flow.

*watches video*

Can you post pics of your loop?
Syr has you well in hand here, not much I can add.


One question, that is if your temp spikes aren't going hand in hand with CPU activity. Have you run this mobo with just a HSF on it, and if so were your temp's stable?

The reason I ask is because I've had a couple of Asus mobo's that would do the same thing yours is doing, they had faulty v-reg's on them.

I generally take off and straight-edge any stock sinks I leave on my mobo to make sure they are making good contact, a lot of the time the sinks wont be making contact on the components very well.
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Do the spikes in temps coincide with spikes in CPU activity?

no, the spikes in temps happen in a cycle every 2 minutes or so when my CPU activity is at 100% (small TFFs prime95 on 4 cores)

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Is the pump functioning intermittently?

Pump seems to work fine but it hard to see if it stops for few seconds once in a while. i don't have a flow indicator.

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Did you thoroughly clean and inspect all the components prior to assembly: I seem to recall a person having issues with performance, that upon closer inspection, discovered a piece of packing popcorn in the pump that was inhibiting flow.

I can't say i did... that may indeed be the problem. I guess am gonna have to purge my system to have a look

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Can you post pics of your loop?

Will do tomorrow. It goes reservoir > pump > rad > CPU > reservoir
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Syr has you well in hand here, not much I can add.


One question, that is if your temp spikes aren't going hand in hand with CPU activity. Have you run this mobo with just a HSF on it, and if so were your temp's stable?

I haven't tried the mobo with just an HSF on it. I haven't actually got an HSF to test w/. I've lost the original one that came with the CPU.

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The reason I ask is because I've had a couple of Asus mobo's that would do the same thing yours is doing, they had faulty v-reg's on them.

What are v-regs?

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I generally take off and straight-edge any stock sinks I leave on my mobo to make sure they are making good contact, a lot of the time the sinks wont be making contact on the components very well.

not sure what you mean by straight-edge. I have tried reseating the CPU waterblock.

Thx you both for your help

Also, I've just realised i didn't check if the cpu block was in the correct orientation. doh. that's most likely the problem. will check tomorrow & report back.
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I'm not familiar with the kit in question, but is it possible you're pumping bubbles around the loop that are intermittently reaching the CPU block, causing a rapid temp rise under load then falling again as the bubble passes through?
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I haven't tried the mobo with just an HSF on it. I haven't actually got an HSF to test w/. I've lost the original one that came with the CPU.

What are v-regs?

not sure what you mean by straight-edge. I have tried reseating the CPU waterblock.

Thx you both for your help

Also, I've just realised i didn't check if the cpu block was in the correct orientation. doh. that's most likely the problem. will check tomorrow & report back.
Vregs- voltage regulators for the cpu...some are voltera(spellcheck) when you change the vcore..you're basically controlling your v-regulators..

One thing i observed with the vcore in the video is that the vcore remain stable..i would doubt the vregs creating this problem where the temperature would increase steadily.

I'm more likely seeing the culprit to be the dts sensors on the cores. these are ptc probes..normally they would change resistance with varying temperatures. the current in that circuit would be monitored and converted in terms of temperature. It could be the ptc sensors(inside the cpu) faulty or the monitoring circuit(mobo) is faulty.

Another temp sensor is the tcase sensor(inside the cpu). This is the sensor for the cpu case. Some programs monitor this, eg. Everest. normally intel specifies max Tcase. You can run prime 95 with coretemp/realtemp and Everest and see if the Tcase temp also rise with the coretemps. if this happens then it might be the voltage regulators.

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I'm not familiar with the kit in question, but is it possible you're pumping bubbles around the loop that are intermittently reaching the CPU block, causing a rapid temp rise under load then falling again as the bubble passes through?
if you watched the video...it is very unlikely because the rise in temperature is very slow...normally waterloops even with bubbles will have almost constant temperatures when loaded...his case on the other hand has some problems...i've tried more than 5 cpus and primed them..and i've never seen his problem before..which is sorta interesting...
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So I turned off my PC yesterday night because it was doing those temp spikes even on idle and stock voltages/frequency.

I was planning on waking up and purging my system & having a closer look at all the components.

I decided to turn on my PC again this morning and low and behold my temps were stable.
So i overclocked to 3.5 GHZ (stock core voltage). and temps were still stable (60c on load) - no spikes. Tested 2h on prime95 - stable as rock.

No idea what happened. Maybe turning the PC off overnight let the thermal paste settle... anyways. it works for now & am v. happy with a 3.5 GHz overclock on a Q6600 B3.

ty again for the help.
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