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Swiftechs i7 TEC cooler plans shelved....

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Well this confirms what a number of us already suspected...

TECs are not keeping up with the TDP's...

Swiftech have temporarily shelved plans for their i7 TEC CPU cooler...from the sound of things, shelved for quite some time to come. They couldn't find a TEC with sufficient power/efficiency to make it worth while.

The problem next will be when a TEC big enough does come around it's going to be expensive powering it.

Of course this only applies to using a single TEC in direct die cooling mode there is no reason why chillers can't still compete and of course there is also the possibilty of using 2 x 50mm TECs...just about...with a custom block, of course but I think it will be tough in the future for a single TEC.

Anyway....here is what Gabe (Mr Swiftech) had to say on the matter...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=149
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A 437W will would barely cool a E8600 with a decent OC on it, well for me anyway. I can see why they gave up on hte i7 plans, why TEC if you can barely beat a good WC'ing loop, if it would even do that.

I don't really see the need for a TEC chiller either, not when they can be made much cheaper and that will cool a lot better, 5000BTU AC with plate heat exchanger. Or for $4-500 dollars you can get a salt water aquarium chiller that will take your entire mobo down.

I still need to TEC my NB, that would be fun.
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I don't really see the need for a TEC chiller either, not when they can be made much cheaper and that will cool a lot better, 5000BTU AC with plate heat exchanger.
Granted....so long as you don't live in the UK !
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Bummer. I would love a new TEC solution.
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Bummer. I would love a new TEC solution.
Surely you can't complain with your TE-techs....
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Not at all.
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Granted....so long as you don't live in the UK !
Check these out for cheap awesome!...
...10 Plate Brazed Heat Exchanger Home Heating Boiler
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Check these out for cheap awesome!...
...10 Plate Brazed Heat Exchanger Home Heating Boiler
Seen them.....they aren't bad about the only decent source of hx in the UK if you don't mind paying double...it's the international shipping costs...if I wanted a job lot of 5 great they would be only £22 each including shipping...but I am not employed....anyhow that's the cheap bit, it's the A/C that's so ridiculously expensive compared to USA.
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i dont think direct Die TEC cooling is dead .. it's just to date NO one has made a proper water block. As far as im concerned a single TEC has never had enough Q to cool a CPUs of it's day.

As TEC Q rises so has CPU wattages.

Im not sure chillers will ever be practical or "Main Stream" .. by definition they are going to be very expensive and have significant condensation issues. I still want one though.

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Check these out for cheap awesome!...
...10 Plate Brazed Heat Exchanger Home Heating Boiler

Um how is this of any help to anyone ?

Why would you want to exchange the heat from one loop to another ??

I can't see how this could be used in relation to TEC's or watercooling your PC ?
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Seen them.....they aren't bad about the only decent source of hx in the UK if you don't mind paying double...it's the international shipping costs...if I wanted a job lot of 5 great they would be only £22 each including shipping...but I am not employed....anyhow that's the cheap bit, it's the A/C that's so ridiculously expensive compared to USA.

Yeah it's a lot cheaper here, you can get a 5000BTU AC at WalMart for $99 and then braze on a plate HX, recharge and you can pull your whole mobo down below 0C at load.

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Um how is this of any help to anyone ?

Why would you want to exchange the heat from one loop to another ??

I can't see how this could be used in relation to TEC's or watercooling your PC ?

Thats a 10 plate HX, you just braze that onto your 5000BTU AC and run your coolant through it.

Check out posts 25 and 26 in this thread..Ok, I'm Chilled. I'm Chilled. Relax... ..He's running 8 or 10 crunching rigs on that one AC.
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My problem is that no matter what I wouldn't be allowed to use an AC unit. The cheap ones just aren't efficient enough and they are far too big and bulky for me to do what I would want. So at this moment TEC chilling is the way to go for me (albeit very expensive) but it is what I wish to do.
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Yeah it's a lot cheaper here, you can get a 5000BTU AC at WalMart for $99 and then braze on a plate HX, recharge and you can pull your whole mobo down below 0C at load.

Oh well there you go...A/C for $99 (English equivelent £60 ) in the UK there is nothing except carp under £200 and at that it is usually wimpy portable units. A decent window unit wont leave much change from £300. (USA equivelent $495)

Plus at my time of life and with the disabilities I have picked up now I have no interest in starting to learning HVAC. Electronics and electrics I can handle so TEC it is for me.
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Oh well there you go...A/C for $99 (English equivelent £60 ) in the UK there is nothing except carp under £200 and at that it is usually wimpy portable units. A decent window unit wont leave much change from £300. (USA equivelent $495)

Plus at my time of life and with the disabilities I have picked up now I have no interest in starting to learning HVAC. Electronics and electrics I can handle so TEC it is for me.

Ouch!..
..Thats ridiculous. But what can you do. If you ever do run across a cheap one you could probably get a local HVAC shop to do the brazing and charging for you pretty cheap in there slow seasons. I know here some of them are glad to do small jobs when there not busy. I braze like a drunk chimp so thats what I'd do.
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Yeah it's a lot cheaper here, you can get a 5000BTU AC at WalMart for $99 and then braze on a plate HX, recharge and you can pull your whole mobo down below 0C at load.

Thats a 10 plate HX, you just braze that onto your 5000BTU AC and run your coolant through it.

Check out posts 25 and 26 in this thread..Ok, I'm Chilled. I'm Chilled. Relax... ..He's running 8 or 10 crunching rigs on that one AC.

Oh right instead of a slush box ... right o. Thats a good idea .. but it would mean you'd have to degas the AC unit and you'd still need to insulate it.

still it's a good idea
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Oh right instead of a slush box ... right o. Thats a good idea .. but it would mean you'd have to degas the AC unit and you'd still need to insulate it.

still it's a good idea
Yeah those plate HX are great. The whole set-up is cheap and simple and will really pull temp's down. It's a lot neater then a slush-box but a slush-box is still a little easier to make since theres no brazing involved.

But still you could have a shop do the brazing and it would still be pretty cheap. I bet you could buy the AC,plate HX and have the brazing and gassing done at a shop and still come in around $4-500 bux. Thats not bad since you can pull your whole mobo down below 0C. Or at least you could here in the US.

I might have to try one once my old SS phase isn't powerful enough anymore. Or just make a chiller out of the phase unit maybe.
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$4-500 never where i live .. but that is in the middle of no where
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I doubt it would even be $400-500 around here. Plus it's not really economical to run an AC unit that consumes 1600 watts on top of a highly overclocked computer.
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I doubt it would even be $400-500 around here. Plus it's not really economical to run an AC unit that consumes 1600 watts on top of a highly overclocked computer.

You can hook them up to a thermostat easily and just dial the temp you want to stay at. Thats what most do. Then just run it full out for benching.

Take a look at that thread I linked up there Naja did a really nice job on that.
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