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As a new owner of a Synology NAS, I was looking for a place to talk about it with other OCN members. This Club is a work in progress. I will update with useful information as I come across it.

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I don't think you can have "official" in the title until approved by a mod....I think.
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Well, I will be joining this club once I can dig out my BTC wallet and get it online again (paranoid... maybe...)
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I've gone back and forth repeatedly on the issue since I've built a very useable and fairly low-wattage micro server for my NAS at home... and running Fedora it's been rock solid at serving up my 14TB of media... but something also just appeals to me about the footprint and capacity of the Synology DiskStation series. Now I just have to decide between the DS1813+ and the more affordable (but more likely to require the expansion module) DS1513+.
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Well, I will be joining this club once I can dig out my BTC wallet and get it online again (paranoid... maybe...)
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I've gone back and forth repeatedly on the issue since I've built a very useable and fairly low-wattage micro server for my NAS at home... and running Fedora it's been rock solid at serving up my 14TB of media... but something also just appeals to me about the footprint and capacity of the Synology DiskStation series. Now I just have to decide between the DS1813+ and the more affordable (but more likely to require the expansion module) DS1513+.
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Nice. Would be nice to bounce some trouble shooting and questions off of someone in here.
 

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Cannot seem to get .avi files to play through the browser. If anyone has any ideas on how to fix feel free to add comments.
 

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Cannot seem to get .avi files to play through the browser. If anyone has any ideas on how to fix feel free to add comments.
How are you approaching the media on the NAS? By that I mean are you transcoding in this process. Depending on the .avi it may not be supported for the embedded player at the specifications of the source media and thus require transcoding... since the processor (I believe that unit has a 1.6GHz ARM in it) isn't powerful enough to handle transcoding of pretty much anything (other than maybe 320X180 or so) it's pretty limited in it's streaming capability.

What you can do however (and what I do at home) is simply map shares on the client machine and then access them directly through your preferred media client (WMC, Plex, XBMC, etc...) although this maybe still limited by overall bandwidth (if the bitrate is too high for the throughput). For example, my current server connects to my GbE switch and has an average throughput of somewhere between 40MB/sec and 89MB/sec... so I can stream anything to one client, and most HD content to two clients, but if three are active, or if I'm doing transfers or something else on the server then I can only reliably serve SD content to the three clients and even well-compressed 720p content is "iffy".

My current server is also much, much more powerful than this NAS (or any synology NAS for that matter). I'm running a Core i3 3220 on a H77 ITX motherboard - so I've got somewhere around 10X the processing power, and the OS (Fedora), server software (Amahi), and cache for the array are all handled by a 64GB SSD and 8GB of RAM.

Try this for troubleshooting:

Find a good test .avi on the server. Make a local copy of it. Open the remote file natively. Open the local file natively. Open the local file in the browser. Open the remote file in the browser.

If neither open in the browser - it's a plugin, codec, or other file-level issue.
If only the local copies work - it's a bandwidth issue or a transcoding issue.

If it's the second case - use handbrake or whatever transcoder you prefer and transcode the file into a 320X240 or something else very small, also try transcoding it a second time into a different format (preferrably something like .mp4 or .mkv) at the same resolution.

If the same container (.avi) but a smaller size works - it's because of a transcoding error/issue most likely it takes too much CPU power on the NAS to process adequately.
If a different container but the same size works - it's probably a problem with codec registration for that browser/client - or the bitrate is exceeding the network throughput of the device.

Beyond that.... I'm not sure what to suggest, but if anything occurs to me I'll post it here.
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How are you approaching the media on the NAS? By that I mean are you transcoding in this process. Depending on the .avi it may not be supported for the embedded player at the specifications of the source media and thus require transcoding... since the processor (I believe that unit has a 1.6GHz ARM in it) isn't powerful enough to handle transcoding of pretty much anything (other than maybe 320X180 or so) it's pretty limited in it's streaming capability.

What you can do however (and what I do at home) is simply map shares on the client machine and then access them directly through your preferred media client (WMC, Plex, XBMC, etc...) although this maybe still limited by overall bandwidth (if the bitrate is too high for the throughput). For example, my current server connects to my GbE switch and has an average throughput of somewhere between 40MB/sec and 89MB/sec... so I can stream anything to one client, and most HD content to two clients, but if three are active, or if I'm doing transfers or something else on the server then I can only reliably serve SD content to the three clients and even well-compressed 720p content is "iffy".

My current server is also much, much more powerful than this NAS (or any synology NAS for that matter). I'm running a Core i3 3220 on a H77 ITX motherboard - so I've got somewhere around 10X the processing power, and the OS (Fedora), server software (Amahi), and cache for the array are all handled by a 64GB SSD and 8GB of RAM.

Try this for troubleshooting:

Find a good test .avi on the server. Make a local copy of it. Open the remote file natively. Open the local file natively. Open the local file in the browser. Open the remote file in the browser.

If neither open in the browser - it's a plugin, codec, or other file-level issue.
If only the local copies work - it's a bandwidth issue or a transcoding issue.

If it's the second case - use handbrake or whatever transcoder you prefer and transcode the file into a 320X240 or something else very small, also try transcoding it a second time into a different format (preferrably something like .mp4 or .mkv) at the same resolution.

If the same container (.avi) but a smaller size works - it's because of a transcoding error/issue most likely it takes too much CPU power on the NAS to process adequately.
If a different container but the same size works - it's probably a problem with codec registration for that browser/client - or the bitrate is exceeding the network throughput of the device.

Beyond that.... I'm not sure what to suggest, but if anything occurs to me I'll post it here.
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The server can stream the video fine to my TV. Its fully 1080p video. However the browser plugin seems to be the issue. (VLC chrome plugin) I can also have a smaller clip on the .avi file at 1080p run perfectly fine, however the larger will not.
 

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The server can stream the video fine to my TV. Its fully 1080p video. However the browser plugin seems to be the issue. (VLC chrome plugin) I can also have a smaller clip on the .avi file at 1080p run perfectly fine, however the larger will not.
It seems there are several people who are having VLC plugin issues in pretty much every browser on every OS. But none that fit your exact scenario. My guess is that it's something in the security settings for either the plugin itself or in the browser to prevent crashes (like a hard limit on page-size or MIME include size, etc.). I'm not Chrome savvy enough to guess where you might be able to update this setting but that would be my guess at least considering you care able to play the smaller file fine.
 

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It seems there are several people who are having VLC plugin issues in pretty much every browser on every OS. But none that fit your exact scenario. My guess is that it's something in the security settings for either the plugin itself or in the browser to prevent crashes (like a hard limit on page-size or MIME include size, etc.). I'm not Chrome savvy enough to guess where you might be able to update this setting but that would be my guess at least considering you care able to play the smaller file fine.
Yeah thanks for the tips I haven't found anyone with my exact problem.

Updated vlc is 2.0.8 I have 2.0.8 on my computer however the chrome plugin says its 2.0.6 and even if I wipe and do a clean install chrome continues to get that number.
 

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Yeah thanks for the tips I haven't found anyone with my exact problem.

Updated vlc is 2.0.8 I have 2.0.8 on my computer however the chrome plugin says its 2.0.6 and even if I wipe and do a clean install chrome continues to get that number.
AFAIK the development is forked and it's a different team working on the plugin. Mostly likely they're simply using the 2.0.6 libraries, or they forgot to update the about info - or that could be exactly where your problem lies. Have you tried downloading the 2.0.6 build and using that on your computer? Maybe there's a library mismatch occurring and the plugin isn't as "forward compatible" as they believed.
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AFAIK the development is forked and it's a different team working on the plugin. Mostly likely they're simply using the 2.0.6 libraries, or they forgot to update the about info - or that could be exactly where your problem lies. Have you tried downloading the 2.0.6 build and using that on your computer? Maybe there's a library mismatch occurring and the plugin isn't as "forward compatible" as they believed.
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Thanks I will give that a try I have not thought about that yet. Plus Rep
 

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Ya there bud?
Yup just me in here... Lousy club.
 

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Um... yeah... not going to be joining this club after all I guess.... I kinda went crazy on my home infrastructure direction and wound up rolling my own again rather than going the Synology route.
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I had planned on replacing my Amahi server with a Synology Diskstation 1513+ but then I started thinking about other things that I wanted to integrate into my network down the road, and it started looking like a room full of hardware again. So I scrubbed that idea and just bought a Fractal Design Define R4 and a couple more 4TB drives and I'm in the process of configuring Microsoft Server 2012 Essentials R2 with storage pooling and some various utilities (DLNA Media serving, Intranet apps for calendaring & document archive, etc...). Soon I'll throw cameras and HVAC controls at it as well.

I really like the form factor of the Synology boxes - but lets face it - if you need 20TB+ storage, and you want media streaming and in-place transcoding of every type of media to every type of device... paying $1K for an Atom based box (with only 2GB of RAM and no storage at all), just doesn't seem very smart. At this point I've got an i5 with 16GB of RAM, a 128GB SSD for OS/caching, and 20TB of pooled drives (2*4TB+4*3TB) and I haven't spent much more in total than I would have just to buy the 1513+ and the 2GB RAM upgrade.
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Sorry I let ya down freitz.
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Um... yeah... not going to be joining this club after all I guess.... I kinda went crazy on my home infrastructure direction and wound up rolling my own again rather than going the Synology route.
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I had planned on replacing my Amahi server with a Synology Diskstation 1513+ but then I started thinking about other things that I wanted to integrate into my network down the road, and it started looking like a room full of hardware again. So I scrubbed that idea and just bought a Fractal Design Define R4 and a couple more 4TB drives and I'm in the process of configuring Microsoft Server 2012 Essentials R2 with storage pooling and some various utilities (DLNA Media serving, Intranet apps for calendaring & document archive, etc...). Soon I'll throw cameras and HVAC controls at it as well.

I really like the form factor of the Synology boxes - but lets face it - if you need 20TB+ storage, and you want media streaming and in-place transcoding of every type of media to every type of device... paying $1K for an Atom based box (with only 2GB of RAM and no storage at all), just doesn't seem very smart. At this point I've got an i5 with 16GB of RAM, a 128GB SSD for OS/caching, and 20TB of pooled drives (2*4TB+4*3TB) and I haven't spent much more in total than I would have just to buy the 1513+ and the 2GB RAM upgrade.
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Sorry I let ya down freitz.
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No worries. Your need for the system are much greater then mine. My works perfect as a media server through DLNA, and great as a back up system for now.
 

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Interesting issue today. My synology system seems to shut itself down at night and I cannot seem to figure out why. When I boot it back up in the morning everything seems fine. Any Ideas?
 
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