[u3b3rg33k]

so I can move back to GPU-W with my 7970 then? open the spot up in AMD for someone with real power?
what to do with my 7870 now...

 

[NBrock]

The PPD database was just udpated last night. Thanks for submitting WU's folks :thumb:

Looks like numbers are staying roughly the same, with the Titan Xp's PPD still sitting only slightly above the X(P). I would like to see a few more WU's submitted, but with these numbers, we should be able to add it to the GPU-O category.

Also, I am still looking forward to seeing some Vega WU's submitted

Keep on keeping on folks :thumb:

I'll keep them coming. I have only been seeing a steady stream of the WUs I have submitted recently. I have seen some in the past with some pretty high PPD... but those were few and far between. It looks like the real points are to be made in Linux...as always. I need to stop being lazy and get a bootable thumb drive setup and test it out.

This probably isn't the place to ask since it's off topic a bit... but what flavor of linux is everyone using these days for GPU folding?

 

[CptAsian]

I'll keep them coming. I have only been seeing a steady stream of the WUs I have submitted recently. I have seen some in the past with some pretty high PPD... but those were few and far between. It looks like the real points are to be made in Linux...as always. I need to stop being lazy and get a bootable thumb drive setup and test it out.

This probably isn't the place to ask since it's off topic a bit... but what flavor of linux is everyone using these days for GPU folding?

For what it's worth, I'm still using Ubuntu 16.04. I installed it at the time since it was the first time I used a Lunix OS, so I wanted something more common, and since then I've basically had an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality about it. It's been rock-solid and stable, and I get increased PPD over Windows, so I'm more than satisfied.

 

[mmonnin]

Ubuntu is pretty easy to setup. With 18.04 I've had the NV drivers not install CUDA if you'll need it for something else. I had to go back and forth between the drivers in the PPA.

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
sudo apt-get update

 

[NBrock]

It's all setup. Had a bit of trouble with drivers. Ended up needing to install cuda and open cl/gl packages. Everything seems to be working correctly including coolbits. In initial testing before I applied the OC I was getting about 300k more ppd. Once I am done in Windows today I'll switch back and let it run all week in Ubuntu.

 

[Simmons572]

Upon reviewing everything that has been submitted as of this morning, I feel that the current list of proposed hardware looks like it's fine.

The only significant changes I have noticed is that there have been a few high PPD WU's submitted for the Titan Xp that are higher than 1.7m PPD. However, that appears to only be 100k higher than the highest batch of 1080 ti WU's.
Depending on how many WUs get submitted moving forward, we may add the 2080 to the GPU-O mix.

The only future changes that I foresee happening is adding the Vega GPUs to the AMD category. If that happens, and the PPD falls where I am expecting, then we will probably shift the 980ti into the nVidia category.
I am also considering picking up a Vega 56 and Vega 64 GPU at some point, if I can snag pre-owned GPU's at a good price.

All of this being said, I would like to push these changes to the TC on 01November. This should give us enough time to figure out how we are adjusting our teams' hardware slots.
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[NBrock]

Looks like in Linux I finally got a few nice WUs... haven't seen many... but I did get a couple so far.

P11728 TPF= 45 sec for an estimated 1,703,843 ppd

 

[axipher]

I honestly haven't been following the PPD numbers of everything so my opinion in terms of what hardware goes in what category is probably not the greatest.


I am definitely all about keeping the categories up to date though, so I support the changes and we probably should be keeping track of new hardware and driver changes.


From what I can recall, we are normally stuck waiting for 6 months after a new GPU launch to even start to really see what it can do and try to classify it in a category.

 

[Simmons572]

I honestly haven't been following the PPD numbers of everything so my opinion in terms of what hardware goes in what category is probably not the greatest.


I am definitely all about keeping the categories up to date though, so I support the changes and we probably should be keeping track of new hardware and driver changes.


From what I can recall, we are normally stuck waiting for 6 months after a new GPU launch to even start to really see what it can do and try to classify it in a category.

Thanks for the input bud. Historically, the biggest contingency to adding "big" GPU's to the fold has been seeing how much they outperform previous generations. And honestly, the step from the 9xx series to the 10xx series has not been all that significant. Hell, looking at the single WU that has been submitted for the 2080 under Ubuntu puts it right below the Titan X(P)/p's. Hopefully we get more submissions on the newer GPUs soon.

And on a side note, please AMD for the love of heck give us an affordable GPU that competes with nVidia stuff. I want some bigger GPUs in the AMD category lol

Looks like in Linux I finally got a few nice WUs... haven't seen many... but I did get a couple so far.

P11728 TPF= 45 sec for an estimated 1,703,843 ppd

Good to know. Like I said above, depending on more WUs submitted for the 2080, we may actually be able to get it added to GPU-O sooner rather than later

 

[tictoc]

Unless there are changes to either OpenMM or the AMD GPU arch, AMD will probably never be competitive in [email protected] There are other compute loads where it is competitive and/or superior, but [email protected] is just not one of those scenarios. The improvements in the AMD Linux driver have definitely helped to shorten the gap, but my OC'd FuryX is still a little behind an OC'd 980 in [email protected]

 

[Simmons572]

Yeah I know..

I can still dream at least

 

[PimpSkyline]

I second the idea of redoing the TC guidelines.

Where do you submit [email protected] scores for validation? I have a Liquid Titan Xp, been seeing between 1.5 to 1.85 Mill PPD.

 

[Simmons572]

We submit completed WU information to the site's PPD database: https://www.overclock.net/forum/55-...eam/475163-gpu-projects-ppd-database-106.html

Not really for data validation, but it's a good source when collecting information about certain GPUs.

 

[notyettoday]

Looks good to me! I wasn't aware that 12c 24t was already allowed in i7?

 

[Simmons572]

That change was made when the Ryzen CPUs initially came out. Then the 8700k was allowed in the fold.

I figured that by lifting the CPU limit to 16c/32t, we can get some old 2p systems or some modern beefy CPUs a workout

EDIT: Wait a second, you are right. The previous limit was 6c/12t, that is my bad. Good catch @notyettoday

I am tempted to reduce the thread count to 8c/16t, but at the same time, I feel a higher cap of 16c/32t would actually make the CPU category competitive. What do you all think?

 

[NBrock]

I think opening up the CPU thread cap is a good idea. I feel like 16/32 is a good limit. Especially with First gen Threadrippers coming down so far in price.

 

[tictoc]

The only future changes that I foresee happening is adding the Vega GPUs to the AMD category. If that happens, and the PPD falls where I am expecting, then we will probably shift the 980ti into the nVidia category.
I am also considering picking up a Vega 56 and Vega 64 GPU at some point, if I can snag pre-owned GPU's at a good price.

If we do end up shifting the 980ti into NVIDIA, then would the 1070 be eligible for NVIDIA as well?


*Edit* I also agree with upping the core count in the CPU cat. :thumb:

 

[Simmons572]

I think opening up the CPU thread cap is a good idea. I feel like 16/32 is a good limit. Especially with First gen Threadrippers coming down so far in price.

If we do end up shifting the 980ti into NVIDIA, then would the 1070 be eligible for NVIDIA as well?


*Edit* I also agree with upping the core count in the CPU cat. :thumb:

Thanks for the input about the CPU adjustment. I would like to get a couple more opinions before we solidify this idea, but I am also in favor of the large boost.


@tictoc

Spoiler

It is definitely worth considering. Especially with how close the upper-limit WU's appear to be to each other. However, a lot of the WU's are pretty old at this point. It seems like the newest WU submission for the 1070 is from 11Nov2017.

I am not sure what the difference in PPD would look like with current WU's. My concern is breaching the 1Mil PPD mark in the nVidia Category. The average PPD for the 980ti currently looks like 657k PPD, but the upper limit of WUs is in the 800-900k PPD range. Granted, the 1070 average is 702k PPD, wit the upper limit also sitting in that 800-900k range..

I don't really want to make an opinion on this until we see what Vega is fully capable of.

I would also like to get some more WU's from the 1070 and 980ti to see what these devices are capable of in current year.
I have a 1070 waiting for a PCIe extension cable, and a 980ti that needs to be plugged in, so I am going to start crunching some of these WU's over the next couple weeks.
I am also keeping my eyes out for a "cheap" Vega 64 card, so I can have it staged for if we decide to add it to the AMD category.

 

[mmonnin]

Just a 980Ti folding in Linux.
https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=751732

Pretty much has always been 650k to 720k since I got the card. Around 1410-1421 mhz . A few WUs have been abnormally better but those have been better for everyone.
A GTX 1070 is around the same. Maybe slightly less. BWG had one in TC if there were month end totals stored somewhere.

 

[Simmons572]

Good to know. That is a lot more reasonably positioned than I expected.

And it looks my PCIe extention cable is coming in today, so I will be able to get that 1070 up and running sooner than I expected