[hrockh]

oh No They didn't!
Quote:

We're in the business of delivering what consumers want, and to stay a little ahead of what we think they will want,"
"We just don't see the need of delivering that to consumers."
"We're already delivering 1 gigabit, 10 gigabit-per-second to our business customers, so we certainly have the capability of doing it." The executive claims that residential customers have thus far shown little interest in TWC's top internet tiers. "
A very small fraction of our customer base" ultimately choose those options, she said.

I do believe the average Joe won't notice the difference between a 50mbits and a 1Gbits line. So I can understand why they are doing this. Though I don't think that's the real reason why they are not developing 1 Gbit.
If they bring the 1 Gbit, that will become their new top tier internet plan, driving prices down for the rest of the slower plans. Win for the customers, not as much for WC.
Hopefully GFiber will put enough pressure on them so they have to increase bandwidth.

source: The Verge

 

[tombom]

Man, I hate statements like this. I want the best they can throw at me (with means of course). Make everything you can better and I won't mind paying for it. I'd love some better/faster internet in general. I'm not liking the comcast I'm getting really. I'm jealous of google speeds. And they say there's no demand?

 

[Evil Penguin]

Bring in more fierce competition and we'll see what the customers "want".

 

[Magariz]

Wonder how much a 10gbit line would be? hehe i want

 

[47 Knucklehead]

I tend to agree with them.

Sure there IS "some" demand, but honestly, I would be surprised if there was much of a demand for that speed (if people had to pay an incremental price equal to that of a "normal" speed ... ie 50 times the cost of a 20mb/sec internet rate).

The problem is, people WANT 1GB/sec speed and only want to pay the same amount as 50MB/sec rates.

 

[KhaoticKomputing]

Quote:

Originally Posted by hrockh

oh No They didn't!
I do believe the average Joe won't notice the difference between a 50mbits and a 1Gbits line. So I can understand why they are doing this. Though I don't think that's the real reason why they are not developing 1 Gbit.
If they bring the 1 Gbit, that will become their new top tier internet plan, driving prices down for the rest of the slower plans. Win for the customers, not as much for WC.
Hopefully GFiber will put enough pressure on them so they have to increase bandwidth.

source: The Verge

As a current TWC coustomer this makes me sick. Its also one of the reason's I'm leaving TWC as soon as GFiber is available.

Everyone I prsonally know in the KS area use's TWC, Everyone I know is also waiting for Gfiber so they can give TWC the finger.

 

[Trogdor]

I want the upload speed of 1 GB/s internet. I'll write them a letter.

 

[KhaoticKomputing]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead

I tend to agree with them.

Sure there IS "some" demand, but honestly, I would be surprised if there was much of a demand for that speed (if people had to pay an incremental price equal to that of a "normal" speed ... ie 50 times the cost of a 20mb/sec internet rate).

The problem is, people WANT 1GB/sec speed and only want to pay the same amount as 50MB/sec rates.

If there is no demand why is it that EVERYONE is getting it? (in the available area of corse)

IF TWC isn't so scared of what GFiber offer's why are they tring their hardest to combat it by locking its customer's into stupid contracts spanning years. In my area there IS demand for it. I kid you not, once or twice a week we get the same stupid offer that comes with a mandatory 2 year contract. The best part is their "sale/promo" offer's nothing compared to Gfiber and cost's more.

ALL current ISP's in America are screwing us, its crap like this that lets them keep doing it.

 

[47 Knucklehead]

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhaoticKomputing

If there is no demand why is it that EVERYONE is getting it?

IF TWC isn't so scared of what GFiber offer's why are they tring their hardest to compeat with it by locking its customer's into stupid contracts spanning years. In my area there IS demand for it.

Who is "everyone"? "Everyone" in your one tiny city? Well, maybe EVENTUALLY they MIGHT get it ... but they haven't even come close yet. Time Warner is a company that is in more than just one small city in one state.

Google has PROMISED one city they will EVENTUALLY get it, but they haven't delivered SQUAT yet ... and what they have delivered, was done on line that the CITY already owned. Google has done very little as a private company to actually go out and lay their own fiber.

And let me restate that ... It is only in ONE CITY (aside from their experiments on a couple college campuses).

So, please, tell me who is the "EVERYONE is getting it" thing.

And regardless of what you just said, it still doesn't invalidate what I said before ... what people WANT, and what people are willing to reasonably PAY are two different things.

I'm sure if you ask everyone on OCN, people will WANT a [Insert the name of a $250,000 car here] and only have to pay $17,000 for it.

You say you want it and so does everyone else in your area ... are you willing to pay 50 TIMES the price you pay now for it?

 

[w0w0w]

At the moment, what I want is good coverage in remote areas. At the moment, I can't even get ADSL2+, and am stuck with a 5mbs download. To be honest, I actually don't think the speed is too bad, although it could definitely better. What I would rather have ISPs do is increase the upload speed to at least half the download speed.

 

[Huzzbutt]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead

I tend to agree with them.

Sure there IS "some" demand, but honestly, I would be surprised if there was much of a demand for that speed (if people had to pay an incremental price equal to that of a "normal" speed ... ie 50 times the cost of a 20mb/sec internet rate).

The problem is, people WANT 1GB/sec speed and only want to pay the same amount as 50MB/sec rates.

As a person living in a borderline Eurocommie socialist dicatorship I must disagree.
The party Comissars of the 80s and 90s laid down the groundwork for fibreinstallation.
Back in 98 a 2/05 line (not sure on the numbers) cost something like 650 soviet kronor. When I studied Propaganda in a small desolate (most likely irradiated) town on the southern east coast i paid 150 Soviet Kronor for 100/100, Then i moved within the same boundraries (great cause i didn't need a internal passport to do so) I paid 120 SKR for 25/10
Back in Stoccow a few years later 100/100 cost me 220 SKR. At the cottage, VDSL 24/? Costs something like 250 SKR

I have to admit that my head hurts from all the hammers punding at it and i look like cutting board with all the sickles flying around.

OT.
Yes there's little demand for a personal gigabit line, But If you're going to stream UHD material to five different sets and well, do other stuff as well.
We didn't need 10/10 mbit back in 1989, now we do. It's called change and it happens.

 

[47 Knucklehead]

Quote:

Originally Posted by w0w0w

At the moment, what I want is good coverage in remote areas. At the moment, I can't even get ADSL2+, and am stuck with a 5mbs download. To be honest, I actually don't think the speed is too bad, although it could definitely better. What I would rather have ISPs do is increase the upload speed to at least half the download speed.

I agree. More people would be better served by having reliable 20/10 or 25/25 internet than 1000/1000 internet ... and it's more of a reality as well.

I mean seriously, that is speed that is well beyond even what it would take to stream uncompressed 1080p video. What "need" is there for that? WANT, sure, but no where near need.

And if you WANT 1000/1000 speed, there are ways you can get it ... it you are willing to pay for it (and more than $100 a month).

 

[w0w0w]

I do agree though, who is actually going to download more than a 20 GB file? I mean on average, most people might download a game from Steam that big 2 or 3 times a week, and with the abysmally small size of web pages, which is where most of the time on the Internet is spent, who would notice the speed difference? Does it matter if Netflix has preloaded an extra 10 seconds or 10 minutes?

 

[KhaoticKomputing]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead

Who is "everyone"? "Everyone" in your one tiny city? Well, maybe EVENTUALLY they MIGHT get it ... but they haven't even come close yet. Time Warner is a company that is in more than just one small city in one state.

Google has PROMISED one city they will EVENTUALLY get it, but they haven't delivered SQUAT yet ... and what they have delivered, was done on line that the CITY already owned. Google has done very little as a private company to actually go out and lay their own fiber.

And let me restate that ... It is only in ONE CITY (aside from their experiments on a couple college campuses).

So, please, tell me who is the "EVERYONE is getting it" thing.

And regardless of what you just said, it still doesn't invalidate what I said before ... what people WANT, and what people are willing to reasonably PAY are two different things.

I'm sure if you ask everyone on OCN, people will WANT a [Insert the name of a $250,000 car here] and only have to pay $17,000 for it.

You say you want it and so does everyone else in your area ... are you willing to pay 50 TIMES the price you pay now for it?

Yes, In my area Gfiber is offered to people, And let me tell you from personal experiance that its off the chain.

Also you claim to paying 50 times the price is so unfounded it hurts. Gfiber's current offerings are actually cheaper than ANY other ISP's current offerings. If you argue otherwise you really need to come pay for internet, phone and cable here in Kansas.

What has me and many other people irate about TWC(in kansas) is their crapy infrastructural. Mind you their (twc's) local service is better than AT&T's but it still is horrible.

TWC needs to LOWER their price's, or raise their service to match the price.

over $150 for internet, Phone and cable, the connection isn't even the 30/5 connection, and you get no special channels on the cable, Because that's a great offer. GFiber $120 a month for everything, you even get a ton a free could storage, and a free tablet... TWC you a crap router, and cheap DVR(Ask me how I know they are cheap). Gfiber, More for your money. Then lets look at internet pricing around the globe and see how well TWC's overpriced crap pans out.

 

[47 Knucklehead]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huzzbutt

Yes there's little demand for a personal gigabit line, But If you're going to stream UHD material to five different sets and well, do other stuff as well.
We didn't need 10/10 mbit back in 1989, now we do. It's called change and it happens.

You're missing the point with ALL cable companies ... they don't want you streaming video over the net. They want to sell you video service, which is on a separate side band as data on the same pipe.

That is the majority business that they are in ... selling video on their system. They are not in the business of selling you "a pipe that you can do what ever you want with". There are other companies that specialize in that.

They are primarily a CABLE TV company and their main focus is selling video first, data second, and voice when they have to (as a draw).

 

[47 Knucklehead]

Quote:

Originally Posted by KhaoticKomputing

Yes, In my area Gfiber is offered to people, And let me tell you from personal experiance that its off the chain.

So if you have it, why are you caring what TWC does?

Oh yeah, because you DON'T have it ... even though you are in the ONE CITY that Google is PROMISING will, one year, be available.

 

[Huzzbutt]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead

You're missing the point with ALL cable companies ... they don't want you streaming video over the net. They want to sell you video service, which is on a separate side band as data on the same pipe.

That is the majority business that they are in ... selling video on their system. They are not in the business of selling you "a pipe that you can do what ever you want with". There are other companies that specialize in that.

They are primarily a CABLE TV company and their main focus is selling video first, data second, and voice when they have to (as a draw).

Their desires little to do with consumer desires, They can adapt or they can refuse but lying about it just doesn't sit well with me.

 

[Alatar]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead

I tend to agree with them.

Sure there IS "some" demand, but honestly, I would be surprised if there was much of a demand for that speed (if people had to pay an incremental price equal to that of a "normal" speed ... ie 50 times the cost of a 20mb/sec internet rate).

The problem is, people WANT 1GB/sec speed and only want to pay the same amount as 50MB/sec rates.

The problem is that with the money the US govt has been just giving to the cable companies people should be getting better speeds for the same money, that was the whole point of giving them money instead of making them pay for renewing the infrastructure themselves. Unfortunately you guys are stuck with companies that didn't actually use the huge sums of money they got for better infrastructure but something else entirely.

Basically you guys have already paid for the fiber optic network but you haven't gotten it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

Another thing is that you can only have demand when there are services etc. that make use of fast speed connections. And no company will offer services that can only be used on fast connections unless there are fast connections. The US is getting left in the dust pretty badly with this. I just hope that google really starts rolling out their stuff.

 

[KhaoticKomputing]

Quote:

Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead

Who is "everyone"? "Everyone" in your one tiny city? Well, maybe EVENTUALLY they MIGHT get it ... but they haven't even come close yet. Time Warner is a company that is in more than just one small city in one state.

Google has PROMISED one city they will EVENTUALLY get it, but they haven't delivered SQUAT yet ... and what they have delivered, was done on line that the CITY already owned. Google has done very little as a private company to actually go out and lay their own fiber.

And let me restate that ... It is only in ONE CITY (aside from their experiments on a couple college campuses).

So, please, tell me who is the "EVERYONE is getting it" thing.

And regardless of what you just said, it still doesn't invalidate what I said before ... what people WANT, and what people are willing to reasonably PAY are two different things.

I'm sure if you ask everyone on OCN, people will WANT a [Insert the name of a $250,000 car here] and only have to pay $17,000 for it.

You say you want it and so does everyone else in your area ... are you willing to pay 50 TIMES the price you pay now for it?

Yes, In my area Gfiber is offered to people, And let me tell you from personal experiance that its off the chain.

Also you claim to paying 50 times the price is so unfounded it hurts. Gfiber's current offerings are actually cheaper than ANY other ISP's current offerings. If you argue otherwise you really need to come pay for internet, phone and cable here in Kansas.

 

[KhaoticKomputing]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alatar

The problem is that with the money the US govt has been just giving to the cable companies people should be getting better speeds for the same money, that was the whole point of giving them money instead of making them pay for renewing the infrastructure themselves. Unfortunately you guys are stuck with companies that didn't actually use the huge sums of money they got for better infrastructure but something else entirely.

Basically you guys have already paid for the fiber optic network but you haven't gotten it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996

Another thing is that you can only have demand when there are services etc. that make use of fast speed connections. And no company will offer services that can only be used on fast connections unless there are fast connections. The US is getting left in the dust pretty badly with this. I just hope that google really starts rolling out their stuff.

Thank you.