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I think I have fried some thing on my older computer. <br />
Its a Pentium4 2.4ghz<br />
VIA Motherboard not sure about the model.<br />
Galaxy Nvidia 6600<br />
DDR 400mhz 512mb<br />
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This computer gets really really bad performance in games like Need for speed Most wanted and Need For speed hot pursuit 2. And others. This computer used to be able to run all those games at fairly high settings but now is completely unplayable. Even when I turn the graphics on the lowest setting. The computer will run the game at normal speed and pause then run then pause. So it keeps pausing. <br />
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Then at random points the machine will give a memory dump error (bluescreen) and reboot. The same bluescreen happens in both linux and windows. My computer cooling is not sufficent for the 6600 Nvidia I keep the side of the case off and it keeps it cool enough. But one day I left the case on the computer and it got really really hot and this performance problem started. <br />
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I want to try and pin point what I fryed. I know the RAM is fine already tryed different ram in the computer. Its not software cause the same problem happens in Windows And linux.<br />
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So basicly I want to pin point exactly what is fryed in the computer and possibly fix this computer.
 

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Do you have friends or co-workers that will lend you parts for testing?<br />
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Essentially you will have to follow a process of elimination.<br />
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Have you throuroughlly cleaned out your case? Re-seated your HSF? Tested your PSU for stability? Removed your vid card and cleaned the interface slot?<br />
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Maybe run through your BIOS and make sure that all the voltages are correct and that the RAM settings are optimal.<br />
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I'm just guessing, but sometimes it's the simple and little things that are overlooked.<br />
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Good Luck!
 

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If before the incident you could play games in high video settings, and now you can't, it's probably the GPU. Try switching with another one.<br />
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Trying memory in another computer isn't enough. Run Memtest 86 from the download section for a few hours to be sure.<br />
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If all that hasn't solved anything, download Prime95 and torture your computer for a few hours.
 

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Oh I forgot to say before. I can turn the video settings to lowest and to highest. Doesnt effect the performance at all. I put my 6600 nvidia card into a my 1.2ghz Celeron and I massively out preformed my P4 2.4ghz machine.<br />
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I put a Geforce2 card from the Celeron and put it into the P4 and it had the same performance issue. Its nothing to do with the graphics card.<br />
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Also this Pentium 4 used to be fine before I left the case on and it over heated. So i dout changing bios settings would help.<br />
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Im thinking about trying to fix this computer because its better than most of my friends computers at LAN parties. Even tho my Main computer will still smoke it <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
 

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I had a similar problem on my old computer, too.. interestingly enough, it too had a VIA motherboard. The problem just progressed and became irrepairable after i kept persisting in powering up my computer whilst it was hot, and i actually did a fair amount of damage, resulting in the need for a new motherboard and CPU. <br />
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first thing you need to do is eliminate the heat problem... don't forget to also check the thermal compounds between your HSF and CPU/GPU are sufficiant and not that crappy little dried out square of paste they used to give you on stock HSFs about 3 years ago...<br />
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Is your computer kept in a cupboard / underneath a desk / on carpet / in a poorly ventilated or a warm room? consider those factors for your overheating problem...<br />
also, if your case is a big, crappy, dusty, metal, el-cheapo case with no case fans, then temperature is going to suffer quite a bit there.<br />
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I changed case on my current rig to a TT Soprano, and saw a TWELVE degree Centigrade difference.<br />
A cheaper solution is a Thermaltake Mambo (AUD$95), i've heard it also does well with ventilation.<br />
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good luck<br />
-Rd
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">I had a similar problem on my old computer, too.. interestingly enough, it too had a VIA motherboard. The problem just progressed and became irrepairable after i kept persisting in powering up my computer whilst it was hot, and i actually did a fair amount of damage, resulting in the need for a new motherboard and CPU. <br />
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first thing you need to do is eliminate the heat problem... don't forget to also check the thermal compounds between your HSF and CPU/GPU are sufficiant and not that crappy little dried out square of paste they used to give you on stock HSFs about 3 years ago...<br />
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Is your computer kept in a cupboard / underneath a desk / on carpet / in a poorly ventilated or a warm room? consider those factors for your overheating problem...<br />
also, if your case is a big, crappy, dusty, metal, el-cheapo case with no case fans, then temperature is going to suffer quite a bit there.<br />
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I changed case on my current rig to a TT Soprano, and saw a TWELVE degree Centigrade difference.<br />
A cheaper solution is a Thermaltake Mambo (AUD$95), i've heard it also does well with ventilation.<br />
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good luck<br />
-Rd</div>

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</div>The damage is done. What ever it is. It has this problem what ever card is in it. Even the onboard card which I would think would solve the heating issue it its self. It was more the fact I had a 6600 in the case with no fans. I need to find out what the problem is first. Maybe that computer is beyond repair and I should just use it for IRC and starcraft and stuff.<br />
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I know it would not take much to improve the cooling. But theres not point fixing the cooling if I dont fix what ever is damaged. It keeps cool with the side of the case off and with other cards keeps cool. Its still acting up. I guess checking the CPU paste could be a idea.
 

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I think it may be your memory. Yes you need to keep it cooler, maybe add a couple of fans to circulate the air and clean the dust off of the cpu heatsink but as far as performance goes download memtest like thiru sugested.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">I think it may be your memory. Yes you need to keep it cooler, maybe add a couple of fans to circulate the air and clean the dust off of the cpu heatsink but as far as performance goes download memtest like thiru sugested.</div>

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</div>Half reader. Its not the memory. I have already said its not. I have tryed different memory modules in it.
 

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Have you run any diagnostic program? Even if it is not the memory it is something involved. Try running prime and see how fast you get errors. At this point it could be cpu, chipset, maybe even spyware or a virus.<br><br>
p.s. I read the post, I just missed that. Calm down on the hostility or no one will try and help. I posted to be helpful and no other reason so please consider that when you reply.
 

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tbh id try a fresh install of windows if you havent already done so
 

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Typed the words right out of my fingers through his user name !
 

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<img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">tbh id try a fresh install of windows if you havent already done so</div>

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I just said before it happens in linux and in windows. Reinstalled both lots of times on different HDs. Its a hardware problem!
 

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I want to pin point if its the Motherboard or CPU or PSU or possibly more than one thing.
 

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I guess the first thing you should test is your psu. Make sure that rails read within the designated voltage. After that the only way to tell if it is you mb or cpu is to swap to a different rig.
 

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Might be your hard disk or the hard disk controller on the motherboard. I've seen this problem on numerous different computers. See if you can get some diagnostic software and check the transfer rate of your hard drive. If its below 20MB/s then its mostly like the hard drive controller which is on the south bridge I believe. The other possiblity is the hard disk is shot.
 
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