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I am curious if anyone could explain what is "not enough processor power" when discussing certain video cards.<br />
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Recently was running an AMD64 3500+ system (1gb ram) with a 6800GT card, I upgraded to a 3800+ X2 processor when the prices dropped but just recently the video ram on my 6800gt card started artifacting in game <img src="/images/smilies/frown.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Frown" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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So i upgraded my mobo to PCI-e and purchased a 7900gs card. Even though based off the wonderful info on this forum i think i purchased the best possible card for my budget, i keep seeing on some review sites and even some offhand message boards about the processor being the limiting factor in a video card actually doing its full potential.<br />
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What processors/processor speeds for what roughly equivalent cards actually do keep up? In my current setup is the 3800+ X2 limiting my new vid cards performance?
 

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In games that are multithreaded (all 3 of them), the X2 3800 should be OK, but not perfect. Rumor has it that 2.4+GHz AMD and 3.2+GHz Intel P4 is ideal for most of today's video cards.<br><br>
Your 3800 at stock speeds will limit your video card performance by a marginal amount. Which motherboard did you purchase, and are you opposed to overclocking the processor?<br><br><br>
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<div style="font-style:italic;">In games that are multithreaded (all 3 of them), the X2 3800 should be OK, but not perfect. Rumor has it that 2.4+GHz AMD and 3.2+GHz Intel P4 is ideal for most of today's video cards.<br><br>
Your 3800 at stock speeds will limit your video card performance by a marginal amount. Which motherboard did you purchase, and are you opposed to overclocking the processor?<br><br><br>
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Aaaah ok, well i currently play mostly World of Warcraft and Oblivion heh, i mainly upgraded because of marginal cost and all on the processor at the time <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin"><br><br>
Motherboard <a href="http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813188006" target="_blank">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813188006</a><br><br>
Picked it up cuz i was originally thinking about running SLI... until i realized i didnt know the limiting factors on the processor and that i dont run any games that actually actively support SLI <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/mad.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Mad"><br><br>
I'm not adverse to overclocking, just havent really tried it much other then some minor overclocking on my old MB processor combo (the 3500+ and an MSI neo plat 2 board)<br><br>
Oh and thanks for the welcome, been hanging around reading all the candy goodness here for going on a year now! great stuff and i thank you all for it! otherwise i'd know next to nothing lol
 

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There was an article at legionhardware a while back that showed the CPU scaling with the x1900xt and it showed that anything above 2.6 on a K8 would be a waste for that card<br><br>
Also the higher res you play the less bottleneck you will experience with lower end CPU's
 

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Welcome to the forum indeed <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Smile"><br><br>
The processor can indeed be a limiting factor. However, this depends, and indeed varies per game. Most likely, in benchmarks, you will notice that the CPU holds you back a little indeed.<br><br>
However, in most games, you will not see any hold back. Most games are GPU intensive and put a decent load on the CPU, but not a full load.<br><br>
You are fine with your set up. I think it is well balanced and will serve you well. I mild overclock probably will take away any CPU bottleneck you might experience.<br><br>
Regarding SLI: SLI and Crossfire are only useful when you play games in high resolution, or as a money saver with two mid-range card (example: you already have a 7600 and you add a second one since it's cheaper than replace the one you have with a 7900). With your 7900 you can likely play most games maxed out at resolutions up t0 1280 x 1024 (thus on all monitors up to 19"). Only at resolutions or 1600x1200 (or 1680 x 1050) and higher becomes SLI/Crossfire beneficial.<br><br>
That does not mean your motherboard is a bad buy.. not at all. Boards with SLI functionality are generally high(er) end boards, and have much more bells and whistles (+ quality) than other boards.<br><br>
Enjoy your rig! It's looking pretty sweet <img alt="" class="inlineimg" src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" style="border:0px solid;" title="Big Grin">
 

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<div style="font-style:italic;">There was an article at legionhardware a while back that showed the CPU scaling with the x1900xt and it showed that anything above 2.6 on a K8 would be a waste for that card<br><br>
Also the higher res you play the less bottleneck you will experience with lower end CPU's</div>
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WonderfuL! googled it up and found it, thanks! <a href="http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=523" target="_blank">http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=523</a> It does help give me a baseline to work from.<br><br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="99%"><tr><td class="alt2" style="border:1px inset;">Regarding SLI: SLI and Crossfire are only useful when you play games in high resolution, or as a money saver with two mid-range card (example: you already have a 7600 and you add a second one since it's cheaper than replace the one you have with a 7900). With your 7900 you can likely play most games maxed out at resolutions up t0 1280 x 1024 (thus on all monitors up to 19"). Only at resolutions or 1600x1200 (or 1680 x 1050) and higher becomes SLI/Crossfire beneficial.</td>
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Cool, that works! yes the monitor i currently run has it's native resolution at 1280x1024, guess i am running pretty close then heh. More dumb luck then anything, glad i decided to ask, was starting to get a little bit of buyer's remorse!
 

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1280x1024 is the average single-card limit. Getting a single card to run 1600x1200 decently usually entails a bigger price tag difference than performance difference. <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick Out Tongue" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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That's why many use...for example....SLI 7600GT's, which can be picked up for around $120 each. Grab two of those and 1600x1200 gaming would be possible...but on a 7900GS/GT, it would be slow enough in games like Oblivion to detract from the experience.
 

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As Chozart stated before most games are going to stress your video card more than your processor so as long as you have a decently fast processor you are good to go. I have had several people say that my processor is holding back my video card yet I can play every game that I own at 1280x720 (maximum resolution for my TV) with maximum settings including Oblivion though I can't actually max out Oblivion since my card can't do HDR and AA at the same time. So really a decent processor will serve you well even with some of the most powerful cards out right now.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">though I can't actually max out Oblivion since my card can't do HDR and AA at the same time.</div>

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</div>I was talking with a knowledgible person about that recently. Apparently GeForce 7 cards support a different specification of HDR...in particular, the one that only functions in OpenGL games. <img src="/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)" class="inlineimg" /> Oblivion runs off DirectX, which means no HDR and AA at the same time.<br />
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Good thing the 8 series corrects all that, eh? <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
 

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The 8 series card are supposed to be able to run HDR and AA at the same time with almost no performance loss to boot. I will hopefully be upgrading to one when the come out as long as EVGA doesn't screw me on their step-up program. Even with just Bloom Oblivion still looks pretty damn impressive with all other settings maxed.
 

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Bloom can be nearly identical to HDR if done right...but I gather it uses the CPU to apply the effect or something, instead?<br />
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Bloom colours get saturated if you take them too far, so there's a very specific look that can be maintained. HDR allows a much greater range, so game companies go overboard and mess with the colours like in Oblivion. Someone tweaked Oblivion though, so that for him HDR looked identical to Bloom... <img src="/images/smilies/lachen.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Lachen" class="inlineimg" />
 

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I don't think that the HDR in Oblivion looks all that impressive in the middle of the day everything just sort of glows menacingly...just like in real life I guess.
 

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WHy does everyone talk about Oblivion? The game is a waste of time. I feel bad about you all that just upgrated for oblivion =/
 

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You assumed a lot when you posted that Xeoc. I quit playing Oblivion long before I bought my 7900GTO I just benchmarked the game after I got it to see how it would run. I didn't buy any upgrades just for Oblivion.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">You assumed a lot when you posted that Xeoc. I quit playing Oblivion long before I bought my 7900GTO I just benchmarked the game after I got it to see how it would run. I didn't buy any upgrades just for Oblivion.</div>

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</div>I was kinda refering more to the dude that made this topic =)
 

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Oblivion is just mentioned because i'ts the most demanding game out there right now (or at least the one that's most widespread)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Oblivion is just mentioned because i'ts the most demanding game out there right now (or at least the one that's most widespread)</div>

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</div>Yeah I know but upgrating jsut for one game if everything else runs well is iffy at best
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Yeah I know but upgrating jsut for one game if everything else runs well is iffy at best</div>

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</div>I think you missed a major reason that i included in the original post<br />
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<b>but just recently the video ram on my 6800gt card started artifacting in game</b><br />
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So i upgraded my mobo to PCI-e and purchased a 7900gs card.

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</div>Now the upgrade was because i was running an older AGP and well i'd have to replace the video card anyways....<br />
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As far as gaming choices, it's not like i dont have the opportunity to play various games that can be demanding of a system, I just find myself interested in two games. <br />
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Not that i needed to explain myself but felt i should point out that you should read a bit more carefully, i upgraded because of hardware failure, not cuz i wanna see purdy on the screen... although since im spending money i figure i should get what is best within my budget, hence asking the question about processor limiting a vid card <img src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">1280x1024 is the average single-card limit. Getting a single card to run 1600x1200 decently usually entails a bigger price tag difference than performance difference. <img src="/images/smilies/tongue.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Stick Out Tongue" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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That's why many use...for example....SLI 7600GT's, which can be picked up for around $120 each. Grab two of those and 1600x1200 gaming would be possible...but on a 7900GS/GT, it would be slow enough in games like Oblivion to detract from the experience.</div>

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</div>hehehe now this gives me a valid excuse to start saving up for a new update on the my whole rig within the next 6-12 months hehe
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">WHy does everyone talk about Oblivion? The game is a waste of time. I feel bad about you all that just upgrated for oblivion =/</div>

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</div>Im really not sure how you were hoping this opinion would add to the community. I dont mean to sound rude, but if one person "did" want to upgrade their system for a game, who are you to rain on their parade. Thats number one. Number two, I built my whole system around oblivion, and ill be damned if I only use my system to play oblivion. Bottom line, if you upgrade your rig for a video game, then awesome for you. After all, when you get bored with the video game you upgraded for, then the extra power will just help that much more on the next games you purchase.<br />
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