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[TPU] GeForce GTX 295 a PR Stunt?

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On January the 8th, NVIDIA reclaimed the title of the manufacturer of the world's fastest consumer graphics accelerator, with the launch of the GeForce GTX 295. It was received adequately well by the press, for two factors: its performance, and its competitive pricing. NVIDIA, for the first time in generations of graphics technologies, chose to price its high-end offering competitively, and hasn't used its industry-leading position to warrant a high price. Unfortunately, the company seems to be in no mood to hand over the benefit the consumers, not by stepping up its prices, but by not keeping up to its demand.

NVIDIA, which believes in the concept that selling a GeForce GTX 260 for a price well within US $200, at the expense of profits, relies on sales volumes to do the job of making up for its losses, and/or reduced margins. To an extent, the company's moves to redesign the reference PCB for the GTX 260, and subsequently letting partners have a common design kit to come up with their own PCB designs, seems to have helped the cause. That isn't the case with GTX 295. Its power design and the requirement of two sets of high-grade components seems to have hit the company's plans of letting it sell for its competitive price, which it would rather channelize in subsidizing the GTX 260.

Popular tech commentator Theo Valich in his blog writes:

NVIDIA's partners sold thousands of GTX 295 boards, and at the price of 520-550 bucks [USD] per card (or Euro), we're talking about millions of USD/EUR. One can only wonder what is going on in NVIDIA's head… there is an alleged recession going on, their quarterly results dropped by 50% to less than 500M USD a quarter, and they fail to deliver already sold boards - backorders.

So what did NVIDIA gain out of GTX 295? The bragging rights of having made the fastest graphics accelerator, which in turn the company hopes to impact the sales of its other, more popular, accelerators such as GeForce GTX 260, and the new GTS 250. Inquiries on inventories of GTX 295, have been made by Theo Valich, to popular retailers the world over. Several retailers have replied saying their inventories of the GTX 295 were on a decline, and that the manufacturers (NVIDIA partners) were not keeping up with the demand. Popular American retailer Newegg.com currently has five brands of GTX 295 in stock, with that of one brand already out of stock. If you have plans of buying a GTX 295, it would be a good idea to materialize them now, not that you will be left with no alternatives later on.

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Poorly written article and already scooped by Charlie (surprise surprise). I guess it confirms what most rational people have already guessed.
The GTX 285 is a 280 made on the 55nm die. The 260 OC'ed could give a 280 a run for it's money, at best this card is only 8-10% faster than a OC'ed 260.

They don't make as much because a lot of people are realizing that's it's a waste, for the price of one of those I can get 260 SLI configuration which rapes everything.

I would think that this is a PR stunt.
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The GTX 285 is a 280 made on the 55nm die. The 260 OC'ed could give a 280 a run for it's money, at best this card is only 8-10% faster than a OC'ed 260.

They don't make as much because a lot of people are realizing that's it's a waste, for the price of one of those I can get 260 SLI configuration which rapes everything.

The 295 beats 260 sli. The 295 is basically 2x260's with more stream processors.

But i guess after OC the 260's might win. Im not sure how much the 295 OC's but i know the 260;s clock very nicely.
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The GTX 285 is a 280 made on the 55nm die. The 260 OC'ed could give a 280 a run for it's money, at best this card is only 8-10% faster than a OC'ed 260.

They don't make as much because a lot of people are realizing that's it's a waste, for the price of one of those I can get 260 SLI configuration which rapes everything.

I would think that this is a PR stunt.

....they're talking about the GTX295. That's two GTX285 sandwiched together. GTX260 SLI can't beat it.
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No they don't, I swear on my life a mod posted a pic of the 260 sli vs EVGA 295 and they beat it on 3D Mark Vantage by 2.5k points. I think they were crappy BFG Tech stock 260's too. Il try to find it.

295 has WAY slower clocks too because of heat problems.
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The GTX 285 is a 280 made on the 55nm die. The 260 OC'ed could give a 280 a run for it's money, at best this card is only 8-10% faster than a OC'ed 260.

They don't make as much because a lot of people are realizing that's it's a waste, for the price of one of those I can get 260 SLI configuration which rapes everything.

I would think that this is a PR stunt.


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Also GTX 285's are 1gb and the 295 is not 2gb so it's obivously not two GTX 285's sandwich.
It's a mongrel, it's part 260 (clock speeds, VRAM x2), and part 285 (240SPs, 55nm).
Uh-oh, looks like ol' Charlie was right once again.
I couldn't find the picture but here's a quote from that mod.

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Too bad that test is way off for the GTX295....

I bought GTX295's based in part on reviews like Tom's compared to my X2's. Once I got the cards and starting actual testing of COD WAW and COD4, I quickly realized that the 4870X2 is faster than the GTX295 at 1920x1200 regardless of graphic options enabled.

Even my pair of GTX 260 216's are faster than my GTX295.

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The 295 beats 260 sli. The 295 is basically 2x260's with more stream processors.

But i guess after OC the 260's might win. Im not sure how much the 295 OC's but i know the 260;s clock very nicely.

Not from my testing it doesn't. My pair of BFG OCX (GTX 260 216's) are faster in every test I threw at them over my BFG GTX295.

My 4870X2 is also faster than the 295 as well.

Bear in mind this is only tested at 1920x1200 (my monitor's max res). Not that I care about any other resolution mind you...

I also tested Left 4 Dead, COD4 and COD WAW (the games I am currently playing). Again the 4870X2 was the fastest followed by the GTX 260 SLI and then the GTX295 in 3rd place in FPS. this again at 1920x1200 with all settings at max.

For example, here is my GTX295 (cpu at 3.6) and my pair of GTX260's (again cpu at 3.6). One is a Q9650 and the other a Q9550 so no performance differences between them. ram at stock speeds, no overclocks on either card, current drivers on both.

As you can see, the GTX 260 SLI is quicker in 3dmark06 by a fair bit. The GTX295 score is consistent with other owners here at OCN.



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At 1920x1200 and higher it is known that the 295 has a huge dip in performance. People were speculating that it would improve once drivers matured, but I don't have the card so I don't know.

Any resolution lower the 295 outperforms the 4870X2. It is similar to the 260 216sp vs the 4870 1Gb 260 is better at lower resolutions and 4870 at 1920x1200 and up.
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At 1920x1200 and higher it is known that the 295 has a huge dip in performance. People were speculating that it would improve once drivers matured, but I don't have the card so I don't know.

Any resolution lower the 295 outperforms the 4870X2. It is similar to the 260 216sp vs the 4870 1Gb 260 is better at lower resolutions and 4870 at 1920x1200 and up.


That may be true as I did not test lower resolutions.

However, anyone spending $400-$600 on a video card had better have at least a 24" monitor otherwise there is no point...
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lol the quote comes from you and ironically you post right bellow. Show em your picture of the 3D Mark runs, 260 SLI vs 295.
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lol the quote comes from you and ironically you post right bellow. Show em your picture of the 3D Mark runs, 260 SLI vs 295.

I know as 3dmark06 runs I posted above are at 1280x1024 (low enough res eh?)

3dmark06 being a synthetic bench though, I don't give it much creedence compared to actual game FPS.

The GTX 260 SLI was faster than my GTX295 in everything I threw at it. My X2 was quicker than the 260's but not by much
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The GTX295 is a waste of money, as I've said before in other threads.

SLI Some GTX260's if you want nice / better performance for $150-$200 less.
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I know as 3dmark06 runs I posted above are at 1280x1024 (low enough res eh?)

3dmark06 being a synthetic bench though, I don't give it much creedence compared to actual game FPS.

The GTX 260 SLI was faster than my GTX295 in everything I threw at it. My X2 was quicker than the 260's but not by much

Are all these tests / 3dmark runs done in xp x64 pro?
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first of all,

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However, anyone spending $400-$600 on a video card had better have at least a 24" monitor otherwise there is no point...

QFT

the 295 shouldnt even be on a benchmark list at any resolution under 1600

however, people seem to forget that the 295 can overclock too.
sure a set of OCd 260s may beat a stock 295, but mine overclocks like a beast, (i dont know what heat problems you are talking about) and i havnt seen any benchmarks comparing OCd 260s with an OCd 295.

also, the drivers are poo

i do get massive frames in almost any game i play, but a solid half of them are being held back at a driver based level, and it is driving me nuts.
i paid for 2 cards in 1, if i had wanted just one 285 i would have bought it.

my $.02
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