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[TPU] Radeon HD 4890 X2 a Reality On The Basis of Performance Against Competitor

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AMD is seeking attempting to revive its competitiveness that took a beating with NVIDIA's introduction of 55 nm G200b-based graphics accelerators. The method AMD seems to be adopting is by giving its existing flagship GPU, the RV770, a series of design improvements that facilitate higher clock-speeds, in turn, better performance on offer.

A lot has been said about RV790 till date, with each commentator coming up with a new version of the story. It has been more or less established that the RV790 will be a improvement over the RV770, though not a revolutionary one. Fresh information gathered by PC Games Hardware places a realistic estimate on up to where RV790 is going to push the performance envelope for AMD.

It is suggested that RV790 will revive direct competition with NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 260, post the company's remodeling of the SKU by enabling 216 stream processors against 192 on its original specs. With the single-GPU flagship accelerator based on the RV790: Radeon HD 4890 competing with GeForce GTX 260 (216 SP), one would wonder if the company would work on a dual-GPU accelerator. NVIDIA's GeForce GTX 295 emerged as the fastest dual-GPU accelerator, outperforming ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2, although it achieved that by using two G200b cores with all their 240 stream processors enabled. This leaves a tough ask for AMD to design a card that outperforms GTX 295, considering the higher clock-speeds the RV790 comes with, ideally, only pushes the performance of the single-GPU card by 8~20 per cent. While there are no technical challenges the company faces in designing a dual-RV790 accelerator, it will do so only if its able to outperform the GeForce GTX 295. AMD's add-in board partners (AIBs), most probably will be left to design their own dual-RV790 cards, much in the same way AMD left it to them, to design the Radeon HD 4850 X2.

From AMD's end, it seems like the company is treating the "X2" card design as an object of prestige, that it would not want to tarnish by releasing something that falls behind its competitor in terms of performance. The HD 3870 X2 outperformed its then competitor, the GeForce 8800 GTX, followed by HD 4870 X2 outperforming GeForce GTX 280.

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This is just TPU making up scenarios really. We will have to see what ATi has to say about it. We still don't even know much about the 4890.
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It's just speculation and rumours. I don't think there will be a dual-GPU flagship from AMD until the R800.
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It's just speculation and rumours. I don't think there will be a dual-GPU flagship from AMD until the R800.

Very true.

They would have to tweak the core a bit to be able to drop the TDP way down enough for it to compete with the 295. Something that would be really tough in such a short time frame.

Really wonderful though, both sides have to move extremely fast to try and counter the other.
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Total speculation on TPU's part, but still accurate nonetheless.

Except for the last paragraph. The 3870X2's competitor was not the 8800GTX. The 2900XT competed against the 8800GTX/GTS.
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Total speculation on TPU's part, but still accurate nonetheless.

Except for the last paragraph. The 3870X2's competitor was not the 8800GTX. The 2900XT competed against the 8800GTX/GTS.

The 3870 X2's main competitor was the 9800 GX2 not the 8800 GTX.
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The 3870 X2's main competitor was the 9800 GX2 not the 8800 GTX.

ATi released the 3870 x2 to compete with the 8800gtx/ultra.
The 9800 gx2 was released after the 3870 x2.
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The 8800gtx/ultra was out for some time, and AMD finally countered it by releasing the 3870x2. TPU has it right. (Ya, Aaroman beat me to it)

Nvidia then released the 9800gx2.
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ATi released the 3870 x2 to compete with the 8800gtx/ultra.
The 9800 gx2 was released after the 3870 x2.

Not quite. Even though the 3870 X2 outperformed the Ultra and GTX it's main competitor at that time was the 9800 GX2. Yes it was released to outperform the GTX/Ultra but it found another contender weeks later as the 9800 GX2. Although I believe the HD 2900XT was released to compete with the GTX/Ultra and the 3870 X2 with the 9800 GX2.
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Not quite. Even though the 3870 X2 outperformed the Ultra and GTX it's main competitor at that time was the 9800 GX2. Yes it was released to outperform the GTX/Ultra but it found another contender weeks later as the 9800 GX2.

ok, the gx2 was the high end competitor, and the 3870x2 was the high end ATi card at the time, but the gx2 blew the 3870x2 away in games that the gx2 actually worked in.
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I hope ATI releases the info on the RV790 in the next 2 weeks or so, cause I really want a new graphics card and I want to see what is going to be worth spending my money on...
Keep up the good work ATI
Something of Prestige? Sorry that made me laugh. Had they're X2's gone head to head with NVidia's GX2's/GT295's and won (which they didnt) then congrats, but instead of going balls to the wall they were like "eh, we'll just put two almost-good enough (to be #1) cards together".

Don't get me wrong. Stellar Price/Performance and still a hell of a card in single or X2 config, but I wouldn't really call it prestige when it takes 2 of your best to top a solo version of your opponents best. That's more like "Hey guys! Look what we did! Buy one before the green team catches on!"

Lets not forget how close the Single GTX280 and 4870 X2 were.

Don't get me wrong, I hate NVidia's pricing as much as the next guy, but if people are willing to buy it at that price...
IMO, nVidia's dual-cards are fail. don't get me wrong ATi's dual cards aren't the best thing, but the sandwich pcp causes overheating, not to mention the microstutter.
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Something of Prestige? Sorry that made me laugh. Had they're X2's gone head to head with NVidia's GX2's/GT295's and won then congrats, but instead of going balls to the wall they were like "eh, we'll just put two almost-good enough cards together".

Don't get me wrong. Stellar Price/Performance and all that, but I wouldn't really call it prestige when it takes 2 of your best to top one of your opponents best. That's more like "Hey guys! Look what we did! Buy one before the green team catches on!"
. Nowhere is safe from fanboys these days. You're arguments and comments lack validity and are utterly useless. If you would have even bothered to do the research on the 4870 vs GTX 280 you would realize that the 4870 approaches GTX 280 performance for nearly 50% less cost. How can that be considered 'almost good'.
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Are they trying to claim that the 4890 is a competitor for the GTX260, when the 48701GB is barely less then the GTX280 as is?
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IMO, nVidia's dual-cards are fail. don't get me wrong ATi's dual cards aren't the best thing, but the sandwich pcp causes overheating, not to mention the microstutter.
PCP sandwich? Mmmmmmm NOM NOM NOM.
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Are they trying to claim that the 4890 is a competitor for the GTX260, when the 48701GB is barely less then the GTX280 as is?
lol hahaha samething I am thinking
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I am still waiting for the 4850X3 card, I mean, Asus did make a 3850X3...
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I am still waiting for the 4850X3 card, I mean, Asus did make a 3850X3...
That was pure experimentation. You can just take a 4850x2 and a 4850 and CrossfireX them anyways if you want.
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there is not going to be a 4890x2 version for some time yet.
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I am still waiting for the 4850X3 card, I mean, Asus did make a 3850X3...
lol... hmm can I haz quadfire?
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