[cyberpunkz]

I've been gradually upgrading parts of my PC for a while now and it's come to the part for a completely new architecture. (CPU/mobo/RAM)

Specs:
CPU: Phenom X3 8650
Motherboard: Biostar MCP6PB M2+
RAM: 4GB DDR2
Graphics Card: GTS 450
Power Supply: Seasonic MII12 520W

I plan to keep my GPU and Power Supply until I can get my hands on a better GPU in the future.
I won't go SLI/Crossfire.
I'll use this mainly just for gaming.

Some of the parts I'm currently looking at right now.

Intel 4570 / 3550
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty%20H87%20Performance/
http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z87%20Pro3/ (cheaper)

Is the 3550 really more power efficient than the 4570?

Will the little overclocking overhead of the 3550 make a difference?

I've seen a number of benchmarks between the 4670k stock to OC and there doesn't seem to be any performance difference between the two in gaming. That's why I wanted to go with a non-OC processor.

My budget in my local currency is PHP 18,000. and I'll be buying from this website (CPU/RAM/mobo)
http://www.tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=dynaquestpc

Thanks in advance!

 

[Deadboy90]

I don't have any experience with ASrock so I can't judge the MOBO's. However, for the RAM 1333 will be fine but you may as well get 1600mhz ram. It's usually about the same price so why not? As for the processor, the Haswell CPUs are supposed to be more power efficient at the moble end in laptops. On desktop they are essentially Ivy bridge refreshes that don't OC as well. You will not notice a difference with either processor while gaming. That said I reccomend the K unlocked series if you are going to be using it for gaming, you never know when you will get that OCing itch! Also, I believe in Haswell intel has stopped all BLCK OCing in non-K CPUs.

 

[boxwunder13]

Maybe something like this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($199.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($154.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $424.97
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2013-08-05 05:02 EDT-0400)

You for sure want to get the K version of the Intel CPU's, especially since you game. I don't know about the ASRock MoBo's for the Z87, but I have been reading and hearing great things about the Gigabyte boards and like stated above, 1600mhz ram is pretty much the same price as 1333, so why not? Cheers.

 

[cyberpunkz]

Thanks guys, yes I've noticed the prices are the same for 1333 and 1600 so I'll go with that.
The thing is, I've seen a number of benchmarks between the 4670k stock to OC and there doesn't seem to be any performance difference between the two in gaming. That's why I wanted to go with a non-OC processor.

 

[boxwunder13]

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Originally Posted by cyberpunkz

Thanks guys, yes I've noticed the prices are the same for 1333 and 1600 so I'll go with that.
The thing is, I've seen a number of benchmarks between the 4670k stock to OC and there doesn't seem to be any performance difference between the two in gaming. That's why I wanted to go with a non-OC processor.

When you OC the CPU though, it will get better in gaming than a non-OC'ed CPU. Also, it does future proof it more than a non K series because you can make it faster.

 

[cyberpunkz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxwunder13

When you OC the CPU though, it will get better in gaming than a non-OC'ed CPU. Also, it does future proof it more than a non K series because you can make it faster.

The thing is, I'm on a strict budget and based upon the benchmarks I've found there's really no difference between an overclocked and stock clock speed CPU. or am I wrong?

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/12/intel-core-i5-4670k-haswell-cpu-review/5

 

[boxwunder13]

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Originally Posted by cyberpunkz

The thing is, I'm on a strict budget and based upon the benchmarks I've found there's really no difference between an overclocked and stock clock speed CPU. or am I wrong?

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/12/intel-core-i5-4670k-haswell-cpu-review/5

Based on those benchmarks the OC'ed one is still better, but the difference is 10 FPS in some cases around 3-5 FPS in other cases. That being said, the GPU really is the main factor in gaming, but, a weak CPU will cause problems as the games get more advanced, which is why OC'ing is a good option to have, but I understand the budget woes. So, you could get a locked Intel CPU and that is what it will always be, but I think that I would go Haswell just because it is really close to the price of Ivy Bridge and it is the newest generation. Also, what is your budget?

 

[cyberpunkz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxwunder13

Based on those benchmarks the OC'ed one is still better, but the difference is 10 FPS in some cases around 3-5 FPS in other cases. That being said, the GPU really is the main factor in gaming, but, a weak CPU will cause problems as the games get more advanced, which is why OC'ing is a good option to have, but I understand the budget woes. So, you could get a locked Intel CPU and that is what it will always be, but I think that I would go Haswell just because it is really close to the price of Ivy Bridge and it is the newest generation. Also, what is your budget?

Thanks man! very helpful indeed

Oh sorry I didn't include it. My budget in my local currency is PHP 18,000. and I'll be buying from this website (CPU/RAM/mobo)
http://www.tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=dynaquestpc

 

[boxwunder13]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberpunkz

Thanks man! very helpful indeed

Oh sorry I didn't include it. My budget in my local currency is PHP 18,000. and I'll be buying from this website (CPU/RAM/mobo)
http://www.tipidpc.com/useritems.php?username=dynaquestpc

No problem.

So, I poked around that site a bit and it looks like you would be better going with the Ivy Bridge 3570K because the 4670K series CPU's are pretty pricey, also, the 3570K is a solid CPU and will perform like a champ in gaming. The MoBo is not the best Z77 MoBo out there, but it is still a good MoBo. The Sniper series RAM is good as well. All parts I searched for were new and in the end I came out really close to your budget. Hope this helps.

i5-3570K P9799.00
Gigabyte Z77-D3H P6400.00
G.Skill Sniper 2x4GB P2250.00
Total=P18499.00

 

[cyberpunkz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxwunder13

No problem.

So, I poked around that site a bit and it looks like you would be better going with the Ivy Bridge 3570K because the 4670K series CPU's are pretty pricey, also, the 3570K is a solid CPU and will perform like a champ in gaming. The MoBo is not the best Z77 MoBo out there, but it is still a good MoBo. The Sniper series RAM is good as well. All parts I searched for were new and in the end I came out really close to your budget. Hope this helps.

i5-3570K P9799.00
Gigabyte Z77-D3H P6400.00
G.Skill Sniper 2x4GB P2250.00
Total=P18499.00

Wow that's really nice, thanks a lot dude! now I have a choice of build +rep to you

 

[boxwunder13]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberpunkz

Wow that's really nice, thanks a lot dude! now I have a choice of build +rep to you

No problem, man. Glad to help. Happy building!

 

[Darklyric]

Yea ouch there vga options arent too cheap. Gl on the cpu loto though

 

[cyberpunkz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darklyric

Yea ouch there vga options arent too cheap. Gl on the cpu loto though

Yeah, I'd have to save up quite a bit to get a decent GPU. But I think I'll get there, someday XD

Btw, I can't remember but I think I read from somewhere that I can use the iGPU with my discrete GPU for gaming in a sort of hybrid sli/xfire? is that true or am I just dreaming lol

 

[Darklyric]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberpunkz

Yeah, I'd have to save up quite a bit to get a decent GPU. But I think I'll get there, someday XD

Btw, I can't remember but I think I read from somewhere that I can use the iGPU with my discrete GPU for gaming in a sort of hybrid sli/xfire? is that true or am I just dreaming lol

mostly false. I know a few igpus can cf/sli with cards but i don't think haswels one of them. Maybe try paying shipping cost? I know its sounds bad but its really is cheaper to do it that way some places.... AU ....

 

[cyberpunkz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darklyric

mostly false. I know a few igpus can cf/sli with cards but i don't think haswels one of them. Maybe try paying shipping cost? I know its sounds bad but its really is cheaper to do it that way some places.... AU ....

Thanks man, I can do that but I would have to guess that the fees I'd have to pay with customs would negate any benefit at all.

 

[boxwunder13]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberpunkz

Thanks man, I can do that but I would have to guess that the fees I'd have to pay with customs would negate any benefit at all.

Found a Philippine site that had GPU's, found a few actually, but they all had terrible selection. So I went back and browsed through some GPU's for a decent deal on what is, imo, a decent card. Also, I think it will be a pretty substantial upgrade. I know it is not in the budget, but something to save for or something like it.

HIS ICE-Q HD7870 2GB P10555.00. I also converted it to dollar just to get an idea of the price for my brain and it seems like a good deal. It is this card right here, HIS 7870 on newegg.com

Just thought I would throw that out there because, why not? Cheers.

 

[cyberpunkz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxwunder13

Found a Philippine site that had GPU's, found a few actually, but they all had terrible selection. So I went back and browsed through some GPU's for a decent deal on what is, imo, a decent card. Also, I think it will be a pretty substantial upgrade. I know it is not in the budget, but something to save for or something like it.

HIS ICE-Q HD7870 2GB P10555.00. I also converted it to dollar just to get an idea of the price for my brain and it seems like a good deal. It is this card right here, HIS 7870 on newegg.com

Just thought I would throw that out there because, why not? Cheers.

I'll keep that one in mind, but that's definitely for the future. for now the cpu/mobo/ram would do

 

[boxwunder13]

Quote:

Originally Posted by cyberpunkz

I'll keep that one in mind, but that's definitely for the future. for now the cpu/mobo/ram would do

Yeah for sure. Just some food for thought. Yay for upgrades though! I cannot wait to get a new CPU and MoBo, now that I have learned from my mistakes, I want to upgrade real bad. I feel you on the budget woes though, why can't someone just give us free PC parts....

 

[cyberpunkz]

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxwunder13

Yeah for sure. Just some food for thought. Yay for upgrades though! I cannot wait to get a new CPU and MoBo, now that I have learned from my mistakes, I want to upgrade real bad. I feel you on the budget woes though, why can't someone just give us free PC parts....

Hehe good thing we have these forums

Yea, free Titans and Haswell for everyone lol

btw any idea if this memory http://www.crucial.com/store/partspecs.aspx?IMODULE=BLE2KIT4G3D1608DE1TX0 will fit with my Hyper 212?

 

[Darklyric]

wow just wow if you want an overkill gpu....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131483