Frank was always going to lose because you had AMD and Nvidia buyers trying to buy GPU. Also at this point, you have people basically scalping. You cant blame Nvidia/AMD for this. Anyone with 2 brain cell would buy 6800 or 3070 or 3080 or 6800 XT, sell and get more money and get free gpu upgrade.
Ok, I will totally grant that there is something to be said with the chips used in the 3080 and 3070 models vs Turing. That's fair.
In a way it is awesome, being able to clock up 2.6GHz+ easy on air. But yes the actual performance gained from OC is disapointing. Not a lot of fps gain for an extra 100 watts power and big MHz jump. Something is bottlenecking the performance of the cores pretty badly. The card has way more render pipelines and texture units, so those wouldnt appear to be the problem at first glance. The memory system seems the biggest suspect given the very low l2 cache per render pipeline and core cluster, or the memory bus itself being 256-bit even though it has a decent cache on that. And yet, overclocking the memory by 150MHz doesnt really add performance either. Perhaps the scheduling is an issue? I have seen people post about sudden drop in FPS and low GPU usage at times during tests so maybe the scheduler is not able to feed data to the card well or there is a bug in it somewhere. Edit: or perhaps the implementation of the 128MB L3 cache is causing issues right now in a similar way Bulldozer was at first, where data contention from different clusters keep ejecting data needed by other clusters and causing a bottleneck in that cache system.
I think we need to just accept that GPUs aren't going to get cheaper unless competition kicks up majorly. Nvidia posted record profits this previous year, despite the poor performance of their Turing GPUs. If Nvidia can get their yields up for Ampere, they're going to post record profits again due to demand.
Who’s left to complete with? This is the new pricing norm, it’s never going back to how it was.
Hopefully Intel enters the GPU market in a big way. Though Intel of course never feels the need to be cheap in price so those cards will probably be the same price or higher than Nvidia. Intel may decide though to take a loss of any profit on the first gen GPUs to undercut the competition and get their foot in the door. They have often done this behavior when trying to break into new markets in the past decade (Atoms, mobile CPUs, and modems). Who knows, With a three way competition going on, maybe it actually will make Nvidia and AMD lower prices by $50-100 in their product stacks to then try undercutting Intel from the market. One can hope anyway
What price war? Nvidia clearly can't lower 30-series pricing as evidenced by the AIB's recent talks with GN. And AMD is content to instead raise their prices to Nvidia level and only slightly undercut.
The price war of who gets to price their products higher.
It’s a sad sad world when one has to rely on Intel to be a leader in lowering prices.
Well, it's with everything right now. Any supply would be outstripped by demand right now. PS5, Xbox, CPUs, GPUs vs a lot of people that want them and some that want all of them.
Where did you get this info? Please dont tell me from bitwit video. Also u dont need better pcb.. you need more power budget/cooling and a binned GPU.
Nvidia could lower the price they charge Aibs, but we all know they won't. It's not like Nvidia's margins are slim.
Right. Nvidia's not going to eat it.
That was my point, the board has to binned and has more phases to support higher power budget. I watched Der8auer. I don't trust most of the youtube reviewers honestly. They make great entertainment thats all.
Yep, basically where I am with it. I was never planning to buy at launch but was hoping AMD wasn't going to have a "paper" launch like Nvidia. As far as I can tell AMD's launch was worse. Screw 'em both.
