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Doubt even AMD have locked down on frequency for the cards yet.
Might need to see Nvidia`s cards first and what they can do if they are releasing after them
 

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Doubt even AMD have locked down on frequency yet.
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They may or may not have . There's a lot of assumptions being thrown around as fact. Like the assumption that the tested card is clocked at what would be retail speeds, or the speeds in the released drivers is an actual reflection of the clockspeeds of the cards.
 

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I think SiSandra just pulled information from the drivers, that's all. Bridgman's statement and the context indicates a correction, not some confirmation to what you think seems to be the case. You are speculating and assuming that said default settings is what the cards will actually be. If the drivers have a default setting that is then later changed per specific card via the AtomBIOS, we would never know from the information we have been given.
No, i am just saying that Bridgman's correction is irrelevant to what sisandra shows. Now, you are correct that 6000Mhz memory clock would be a speculation based on driver code, but well, the sample benched shows that, so what do we know.
 

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Sisoft is notoriously unreliable in reporting hardware configurations. iirc it was reporting the polaris card having DDR3 in one of the tests. While most of the results there were at 800Mhz core clock or thereabouts, one was at 1000Mhz as well. It regularly goofs up compute units/shader clusters as well.
 

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Yeah I dont get it either. Unless they improved core performance by a massive amount
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AMD has had extreme difficulty getting the performance out of GCN that it can theoretically provide. Something like 75% effective peak.

If they pushed that to 90% effective peak with a 10% higher average utilization while improving core resources, reducing bandwidth requirements per frame (via compression), and with 20% or so higher clocks... then I could see them matching Fury/X with nearly half the cores.

Thing that gets me... I don't think we're seeing the 480X at all - I think we've only seen 480. There could be 2560SPs on Polaris 10, not 2304.

That would suggest:

67C0 is the code for the full chip...
67DF is the cut-down version...

67DF:C4 may be GDDR5
67DF:C7 may be GDDR5x

In that case, C7 has more bandwidth available - which enables it to reach Fury (barely) at the same clocks as C4 which can't reach 390X.

Polaris 10, AFAICT, is the largest chip ever made on Samsung's 14nm at 232mm^2, so AMD will probably be selling the #2 GPU hard - and will certainly have more cut-down dies on hand.
 

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Wonder if they are going to drop the X branding to simplify the product stack. There has been rumor of a coming change to branding.

R9 490: 2560SP & G5X -or- 2304SP & G5X
R9 480: 2304SP & GDDR5
R9 470: 2048SP & GDDR5

R7 460: 1280SP & 128b G5X
R7 450: 1024SP & 128b GDDR5
 

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Wonder if they are going to drop the X branding to simplify the product stack. There has been rumor of a coming change to branding.

R9 490: 2560SP & G5X -or- 2304SP & G5X
R9 480: 2304SP & GDDR5
R9 470: 2048SP & GDDR5

R7 460: 1280SP & 128b G5X
R7 450: 1024SP & 128b GDDR5
Maybe. From the partner meeting, it sounded like AMD was going to leave a lot of room for for AIB partners to release their own higher clocked versions of the cards.

The 2048SP may only be a mobile processor. The only place we've heard about it is from one rumor.
 

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It would be pretty cool if it said "Polaris" on the box.
I really like the name. It's beautiful really... The North Star, the guiding star. It's very thoughtful.
 

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Wonder if they are going to drop the X branding to simplify the product stack. There has been rumor of a coming change to branding.

R9 490: 2560SP & G5X -or- 2304SP & G5X
R9 480: 2304SP & GDDR5
R9 470: 2048SP & GDDR5

R7 460: 1280SP & 128b G5X
R7 450: 1024SP & 128b GDDR5
There wont be r9 490 yet. This number will be recieved by vega.
 

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There's been no indication one way or the other.
Do you seriously belive that r9 490 will be polaris 10? My bet is r9 480 and r9 480x are for two polaris 10 chips. r7 470 and r7 460 are two models made of polaris 11.
 

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Do you seriously belive that r9 490 will be polaris 10? My bet is r9 480 and r9 480x are for two polaris 10 chips. r7 470 and r7 460 are two models made of polaris 11.
so what you are saying is that amd lied with their slides by putting p10 from mid 3xx series till all the fury line and p11 below that? vega is suppose to be the fury line successor not hawaii one..
 

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so what you are saying is that amd lied with their slides by putting p10 from mid 3xx series till all the fury line and p11 below that? vega is suppose to be the fury line successor not hawaii one..
You mean the roadmap slide? http://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2016/04/AMD-Radeon-2016-2017-Polaris-Vega-Navi-Roadmap-900x499.png

Unless you want to claim that Vega will cover range from R5 320 to Fury X successor, you gotta slow down on your predictions based on roadmaps.
 

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I really like the name. It's beautiful really... The North Star, the guiding star. It's very thoughtful.
Don't know why it made me think of winter solstice for some reason lol my mind why do you even.
 

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so what you are saying is that amd lied with their slides by putting p10 from mid 3xx series till all the fury line and p11 below that? vega is suppose to be the fury line successor not hawaii one..
Fury is fury, i dont think AMD will use that name again. It was damn confusing for people. Also there might be two vega die sizes too.
 
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