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Andrew J. Hawkins said:
GM captured minuted details such as station selection, volume level, and ZIP codes of vehicle owners, and then used the car’s built-in Wi-Fi signal to upload the data to its servers. The goal was to determine the relationship between what drivers listen to and what they buy and then turn around and sell the data to advertisers and radio operators. And it got really specific: GM tracked a driver listening to country music who stopped at a Tim Horton’s restaurant. (No data on that donut order, though.)



GM says the whole concept is still theoretical for now. No one’s data has been sold (or “licensed,” as GM prefers to call it). But GM spokesperson James Cain says that connected vehicle data can help develop more accurate ways to measure radio listenership. That could prove useful to the terrestrial radio industry, which continues to lose territory and ad dollars to digital streaming services like YouTube, Spotify, and Apple Music. And GM sounds happy with the result.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/17/17990052/gm-radio-listen-tracking-habits-advertising-future
 

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I am probably going to drive 90's era cars until I die or it's impossible to afford gas.
 

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who is GM trying to bullcrap? aside from college stations, you hear what record companies pay to have played on the radio.

even an old man like me gets it; your data is a commodity - now more highly "valued". and i remember getting paid to take surveys; i think its only fair GM gives a you break in financing then.
 

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I am probably going to drive 90's era cars until I die or it's impossible to afford gas.

Ayup! No gps or anything. New enough to have the good fuel injection tho. My 1997 Ford Thunderbird only has 105,000 miles on it and that 2 ton V8 powered plushmobile averages 27 mpg.



There was a time when big screens on the dashboard were outlawed because they would distract the driver. I still prefer a dark interior at night as all that bright light makes it hard to see.
 

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And from Tesla's EULA that I read last year they are probably gathering the same type of data. You're paying premiums for the products and you're still the product. The smartphone industry has been infecting all other domains with the telemetry crap.

Welcome to 2018.
 

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Unless they are going to drop the cost of cars because of the extra amount of money they are going to make off my data (which they wont) or if i get a cut of the money (we wont) then GM can eff right off. I get the whole selling data if someone is providing you a service with no monetary charge, and even then it can be iffy. But if you are going to charge a large sum of money for a car then try to make more money off of people with their data, then we need laws in place that force companies that people must get a majority cut of all money made off of the data.

Now, give me a free CTS-V and zero maintenance fees then you can have what ever data of mine you want.

At what point should personal data be considered a form of currency/commodity and companies have to pay us to have it and use it.
 

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It's about time they shut down the classic radio stations really. Waste of frequencies for decades now, playing the same old crap and talking over it with commentator or advertisements. Who wants to listen to FM radio in 2018? Or should it rather be called listen to FM advertisements in 2018?
 

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oh and dont forget, the police will subpoena to have access to this information...you know, for national security purposes.
 

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Ayup! No gps or anything. New enough to have the good fuel injection tho. My 1997 Ford Thunderbird only has 105,000 miles on it and that 2 ton V8 powered plushmobile averages 27 mpg.



There was a time when big screens on the dashboard were outlawed because they would distract the driver. I still prefer a dark interior at night as all that bright light makes it hard to see.

I'm almost there with you! My base 2012 Mustang has an aux cable for music, but no other frills than that. It makes just over 300HP and get's me about 30mpg highway with the summer tires on. My 1996 Ranger on the other hand, I love it, but it's really basic. I don't need screens in my cars, they just need to work.
 

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The real problem is they have wifi in cars and sometimes even direct LTE connections, yet these companies dont believe or even care that they should be held responsible for all the security holes they introduce that allow cars to be hacked remotely. People really need to realize the seriousness of this and put a stop to this large safety issue.
 

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We all knew it was happening so no surprise, and to a degree this is just another reason I will as long as I can not own a vehicle newer than about 2010. Having SiriusXM is already a hazard but many cars in early mid 2000's already had the sat link. OnStar was a good thing I guess and the precursor for GM.

I've often wondered if even in 08 Benz tracks certain things through it's NTG4 and up gps nav and sat setup. I hope I dodged the bullet, anymore I wonder though haha.
 

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Completely expected, which is why I hope to transition to a 99% e-bike lifestyle for everything outside of long road trips.
 

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Psh...

Some of you guys make me laugh.

Most 90's cars are ugly as sin, especially from GM.

I honestly love being able to remote start my Camaro from my phone, or even just having the option to unlock from phone in the rare case that it may need to be done. I don't have any of that automated driving crap though. But if they want to know that I like to Drive with my top down and Stereo turned up, they know what to improve for next time. Granted GM cars have always been pretty mediocre, and sadly my Camaro falls into that. Should have gone MX-5.

But hey, still have my old Jeep. Can't data mine that. 200k miles and counting, they got awhile before this thing dies.


I'm still 100% onboard with a car that will drive me anywhere I want. Bring it on world. I take a 400mile round trip every other week, I would love being able to do better things with that time.
 

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Psh...

Some of you guys make me laugh.

Most 90's cars are ugly as sin, especially from GM.

I honestly love being able to remote start my Camaro from my phone, or even just having the option to unlock from phone in the rare case that it may need to be done. I don't have any of that automated driving crap though. But if they want to know that I like to Drive with my top down and Stereo turned up, they know what to improve for next time. Granted GM cars have always been pretty mediocre, and sadly my Camaro falls into that. Should have gone MX-5.

But hey, still have my old Jeep. Can't data mine that. 200k miles and counting, they got awhile before this thing dies.
I'm still 100% onboard with a car that will drive me anywhere I want. Bring it on world. I take a 400mile round trip every other week, I would love being able to do better things with that time.
but how are you to feel about it when it keeps stopping at every mcdonalds along the way? :p
 

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Psh...

Some of you guys make me laugh.

Most 90's cars are ugly as sin, especially from GM.

I honestly love being able to remote start my Camaro from my phone, or even just having the option to unlock from phone in the rare case that it may need to be done. I don't have any of that automated driving crap though. But if they want to know that I like to Drive with my top down and Stereo turned up, they know what to improve for next time. Granted GM cars have always been pretty mediocre, and sadly my Camaro falls into that. Should have gone MX-5.

But hey, still have my old Jeep. Can't data mine that. 200k miles and counting, they got awhile before this thing dies.


I'm still 100% onboard with a car that will drive me anywhere I want. Bring it on world. I take a 400mile round trip every other week, I would love being able to do better things with that time.



The issue is that they cram all these features in with barely a care for security. Chrystler and Alfa Romeo had massive security issues just in the last year or two with people remotely hacking their cars and shutting off engines on the highway. As more cars go to servo steering, and electronic brakes in addition to the electronic throttles we have now just imagine the fun hackers will have steering you around and into walls.


These systems need to be entirely able to be disabled from remote connection while driving so no hacking can take control of the vehicle away from you, preferably with a mechanical switch that physically decouples the connection so that the owner must choose to enable it. The remote connection also needs to be entirely modular and able to be replaced with newer units once hardware security flaws are discovered in old units that cannot be fixed in software.
 

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Psh...

Some of you guys make me laugh.

Most 90's cars are ugly as sin, especially from GM.

I honestly love being able to remote start my Camaro from my phone, or even just having the option to unlock from phone in the rare case that it may need to be done. I don't have any of that automated driving crap though. But if they want to know that I like to Drive with my top down and Stereo turned up, they know what to improve for next time. Granted GM cars have always been pretty mediocre, and sadly my Camaro falls into that. Should have gone MX-5.

But hey, still have my old Jeep. Can't data mine that. 200k miles and counting, they got awhile before this thing dies.


I'm still 100% onboard with a car that will drive me anywhere I want. Bring it on world. I take a 400mile round trip every other week, I would love being able to do better things with that time.

In the late 1980s - early 2000s the Japanese cars kinda ruled the roost.
 

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In the late 1980s - early 2000s the Japanese cars kinda ruled the roost.
There are a handful of jap cars from that era I just like. Like the MR2 and Miata. But Honestly never liked any of the tin can eco boxes with really cheap interiors. Like the Honda Civics of the world. Though everyone has their own preference on their level of comfort inside a vehicle, I spent enough time in friend's jap "death traps" to never want to own one. Sorry buy I'd take an old Comfy Buick from the late 90's with the 3.8 over any jap eco box. And I hate the grandma look of those old Buicks, but I'd take interior comfort over exterior looks any day of the week.

My first car was a 97 LHS with the 3.5, had almost 300k miles by the time it stopped working. All the bells and whistles you could ask for at the time. God I hate how modern cars don't have those super comfy pillow seats. Thing got around the same mpg my current car gets.... just no where near as fast.

No surprise really that larger vehicles lead in sales these days. I wouldn't buy a car that wasn't sporty.

Smaller cars were by far more popular in the 90s, and a big reason why those jap cars sold well.
 

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