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Ok I have an e6400 in a Lian-li v600 case with Zalman 7700 cooler. Temps arent too bad 40 C idle and 50 C under full load. My anniversary is coming up and I asked for a nice little desktop waterfall. Then it hit me. Maybe I could use it to cool my computer too!<br />
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I'm looking at fountains like:<br />
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<a href="http://www.simplyfountains.com/indoor-fountains/table-top-fountains/products.cfm?action=view&key=KF152" target="_blank">Shanghai Falls Table Top Fountain</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.simplyfountains.com/indoor-fountains/table-top-fountains/products.cfm?action=view&key=HM033" target="_blank">Envirascapeâ„¢ Eternal Rain Fountain</a><br />
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I figure with a built in resevoir and all that trickling water increasing the surface area for heat removal, it just might work.<br />
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What do you think? Have my kids manage to kill off all my brain cells?
 

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Hey yeah! That could possibly work. I say go for it.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Ok I have an e6400 in a Lian-li v600 case with Zalman 7700 cooler. Temps arent too bad 40 C idle and 50 C under full load. My anniversary is coming up and I asked for a nice little desktop waterfall. Then it hit me. Maybe I could use it to cool my computer too!<br />
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I'm looking at fountains like:<br />
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<a href="http://www.simplyfountains.com/indoor-fountains/table-top-fountains/products.cfm?action=view&key=KF152" target="_blank">Shanghai Falls Table Top Fountain</a><br />
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or<br />
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<a href="http://www.simplyfountains.com/indoor-fountains/table-top-fountains/products.cfm?action=view&key=HM033" target="_blank">Envirascapeâ„¢ Eternal Rain Fountain</a><br />
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I figure with a built in resevoir and all that trickling water increasing the surface area for heat removal, it just might work.<br />
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What do you think? Have my kids manage to kill off all my brain cells?</div>

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</div> What you are talking about has been done. I dont have any links, but just Google "Bong Cooler" and you will get all the info you need to build one.<img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
 

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assuming you mean to run the water through your rig, i would have thought that the only temp drop would be quite small, if any, caused by some evaporation of the water (?), so i would expect the water to only get slightly cooler than ambient air temp in the room.<br />
because its an "open" system, you can't run the liquid at pressure, for speed, so heat would only be drawn away (from the cpu) slowly.<br />
without running a sealed system i can't really see how it could work.<br />
i hope you prove me wrong.<br />
good luck,
 

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Or, take a small bit of the water and let it trickle over the rad, and have the fans cooling the rad still. The water will eveaporate and cool the fins on the rad down to whats called the wet bulb temp. This is determined by air humidity and climate and such. Which may be as low as the ~18c, this is called a swamp cooler.
 

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It wouldn't just using a fountain, and open loops let all kinds of trash in..But his general idea has been used to make "Bong Coolers" They are made out of PVC pipe with a shower head in the top to finely atomize the water as it falls into the res...Haven't seen many people using them since the quality of WC gear has improved..
 

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Aye i was thinking of bong coolers when i posted. But I am starting to envision a homemade waterfall that trickles across a radiator like the swamp cooler pbasil1 mentioned. That way its a closed loop system (no goo getting into it.)<br />
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For a 'store bought' system I was looking into Thermaltake's CL-W0042 (Rythm) setup or even Kingwin's Aquastar AS-3000 (so as to be all internal in a limited space case), but it doesnt have the same geek factor as telling people you cool your computer via the desktop waterfall.<br />
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[edit: oh and yes i was originally thinking of an open system as it will be in a 'clean' environment using some sort of filters obviously. Was just thinking like the bong cooler, it would be nice to have no fans,just the silent trickle of my waterfall]
 

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one of the problems that would occur with that kind of system is that it relies on evaporation, which means loss of liquid, which means the fluid (water) will need to be topped up regular.<br />
if it ran dry , it wouldn't be able to cool your rig.<br />
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i wish i hadn't read this post now, its really got me thinking.
 

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Keep it sealed or you will introduce all kinds of bacteria. Dead insects, etc. Not good.
 

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Loss of liquid not really a big deal. I look in the fountain and see its running low and add some distilled water. With the right fountain it could have several liters of water in the resevoir area.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">one of the problems that would occur with that kind of system is that it relies on evaporation, which means loss of liquid, which means the fluid (water) will need to be topped up regular.<br />
if it ran dry , it wouldn't be able to cool your rig.<br />
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i wish i hadn't read this post now, its really got me thinking.</div>

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</div> Yeah I cant really remember so this might not be right, but I think some of them were using a gallon to a gallon and a half of water a day..Some were even blowing fans across the atomized water for extra cooling...Water coolers are a trip..
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Loss of liquid not really a big deal. I look in the fountain and see its running low and add some distilled water. With the right fountain it could have several liters of water in the resevoir area.</div>

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</div> I dont think it would work without atomizing the water, the more fine the droplets the better the cooling from evaporation.Without the atomazation it probably wouldn't cool to well...But then again I have never actually tried it either.....<img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />
 

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I appreciate the discussion. It verifies the kids haven't turned me into a complete imbecile .. yet.<br />
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Of my two previous store bought systems that i mentioned does anyone have any experience with AS-3000. Seems nice and small. I have 2 5.25 bays left and could use it there.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">I appreciate the discussion. It verifies the kids haven't turned me into a complete imbecile .. yet.<br />
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Of my two previous store bought systems that i mentioned does anyone have any experience with AS-3000. Seems nice and small. I have 2 5.25 bays left and could use it there.</div>

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</div> No they haven't killed off all your "Grey Matter", I wonder the same thing myself sometimes..It's really better and cheaper to build your own WC rig. And the kits I'll link you to are decent one's. I wouldn't get a kit any less then these. It would just be discouraging and disapoining to get a cheap kit.<a href="http://www.svc.com/h20-220-apex-ul.html" target="_blank">Swiftech Apex Ultra Dual 120mm Water Cooling Kit <br />
</a><a href="http://www.svc.com/h20-120-premium.html" target="_blank">Swiftech H20-120 Premium 120mm Water Cooling Kit</a>
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Hmm that H20-120 looks promising. Ill have to do some research.</div>

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</div> Yeah, it's pretty good and you can all ways add a double rad later on if you want to...Happy Hunting<img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" />
 

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Last question to save some leg work, i also have an x1800XT 512 M card. Do you think the single rad is enough to handle the conroe and the vid?
 

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So what do you want to do? I am confuzzeled. I read this and thin open loop, but you said it will be closed.
 

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Im prob just going to use my waterfall as a .... waterfall.<br />
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Seems that just with evaporation I prob wont get the cooling i was looking for. Thinking about the H20-120 now that ira-k suggested.
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">Im prob just going to use my waterfall as a .... waterfall.<br />
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Seems that just with evaporation I prob wont get the cooling i was looking for. Thinking about the H20-120 now that ira-k suggested.</div>

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</div> It will but not as well as just the cpu..Why dont you think about building one..Look at snerp sig line he has a pretty good setup for cheap..But if you put one or two high cfm fan on the 120 it should be able to handle cpu & gpu..These fans I'm going to link you to are kinda loud but they are good. They have some 84cfm Sunnons here to, they are not as loud and still have a decent cfm flow...I have 5 of the 108cfm in my case and rad...<img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />....<a href="http://www.svc.com/kd1212pmb1-86.html" target="_blank">Sunon 120mm Ball Bearing Fan w/ 4pin 108CFM 42dBA</a>
 
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