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Title says it all really lol, I wanna get 2 new IPS monitors to replace my Dell U2311Hs there getting a little old now and I think its time to upgrade

I'm after a couple of 24" either 1080 or 1200p, lowish lag would be good, somewhere around 10ms or lower, as accurate colours as possible and if I could get ones that dont have as aggressive AG as the U2311Hs do that would be awesome
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. They'll be used for mostly photo editing, watching movies and general stuff. Willing to spend around $1200 maybe up to $1500 AUD for both
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Any monitors that come to mind?

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Edit, also needs to have a VESA mount
 

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I do lots of photo editing and I bought a LG IPS 27 inch from new egg 6 months ago for around $300.
theres really no reason to pay to pay as much as you think.
27" is to big for me lol I gotta fit it more or less under a shelf on my desk and in Aus our prices are sometimes double what you find on Newegg
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thats why I said so much
 

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Does it need to work out of the box right away or are you willing to build something?

If you are then ipad 3/4 "retina" screens can be arranged into something you might or might not like. There is a good long thread about building the screens from laptop/tablet parts: http://www.overclock.net/t/1389756/custom-screen-31-3600x1600-cost-250/0_50

And VESA mount is easy, just piece of veneer with 4 bolts sticking out of it
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4608x2048 at approx 20'' diagonal packet. IPS and 60 Hz.
Hahaha that looks interesting but I think I'd rather a normal monitor
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Thanx. I must admit that ppi on these is a bit on the high side.

DELL has this new 24'' 4K screen, so relatively small, if 27'' is too big for you. I do not remember from top of my head if it was IPS but should be, I would guess. Should fit into your budget all right and would provide you with 4x more pixels than single 1080p screen or approx 2x more than a single 1440p screen.
I think 4K is to over the top atm seeing most GPUs cant really run it good lol

I also wanted 2 screens as I multitask with them, sometimes I'll have photoshop and premiere pro up at once
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Depends on your definition of "good" and on game ofc
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A 7870 does not have major problems running 4K at acceptable fps in most titles as long as you do not use presets but do the settings manually avoiding excessive AA and some effects (like excessive motion blur). I was running my 5400x1920 for a while on 7870 and would be still doing it if it would not have gone into warranty for few months so had to get something to last me for that time. 7950 (equivalent of R9-280 after rebrand) does it even better even in pretty modern titles. Now I do not own BF4 so cant comment on that but things like Crysis 1 and 2 (dont own 3), Metro 2033, etc all play pretty ok at that reso, not consistent 60 fps with the settings I'm using but minimum stays above ~35 with my settings so I'm happy.

If you want 2 displays then I think getting two 1440p Koreans would be pretty reasonable. Should leave also some funds to spare.
Ah ok, what if I did what I do with my current setup, game on a 144hz screen then use the 4k as a secondary? would I take much of an FPS hit, getting a 290 Tri-X next week to replace this broken ass 670 lmao

The Korean monitors are to big due to there height, I can only fit 24" monitors into the desk space I have
 

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Consider the BenQ BL2411PT or the HP Z24i.

The BenQ has faster pixel response times but it has a grainier matte coating than the HP, which has a true semi-gloss coating, although =DEAD='s HP Z24i has light cross hatching.

They are both 1200p and have <5ms input lag.
Thanks I'll have a look at them

I was looking at the Dell U2413 but I'm gonna guess it has the standard grainy AG that most Dells have?

Also what about the ASUS PA249Q is it any good?
 

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Here are two reviews of the PA249Q by PRAD and =DEAD=

In a nutshell:
- Average input lag is 19-21ms
- Both reviews mention an audible buzz coming from the monitor
- =DEAD= mentioned seeing black stripes on his monitor.
Oh well that ones out then lol

What about the Dell U2413? I seen on TFT Central they said its AG is a semi glossy one and not as harsh as they normally do and on game mode the input lag is around 6ms
 

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That would work. The secondary screen memory footprint if its showing just 2D stuff is rather modest and performance impact is negligible even if it's 4K and then you have 4 GB of vRAM on 290's. Tri 290 would be adequate even for gaming on the 4K without issues. And it would give you option to pick the best screen for the job depending on the game - where you like 4K you could do it, where you don't you would have that 144 Hz option available.
Ah ok, thats kinda good

Wouldnt 4K be to small on a 24 inch tho? I thought that was the whole point of never having 1440p on anything less then a 27
 

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Depends on your viewing distance. 24'' 4K is approx 180 ppi which becomes "retina" at approx 50 cm viewing distance. In this sense it is on a bit small side for such resolution. I would personally prefer 4K resolution at approx 36'' package (~75 cm optimal viewing distance) but if space is limited then in my opinion 24'' 4K is still usable resolution. I am typing this reply on a ~265 ppi display atm which becomes retina at approx 30 cm distance (which happens to be roughly the distance I have mounted it up in VESA stand in front of my face). That is a bit on the small side - you can read more detailed impressions of usability of it in the thread I linked in my first reply here (post #393 in there). So it really depends - if you will have display relatively close to you anyway (because of limited space) then 24'' 4K can be fine. If you will have display at 90 cm then a person with 20/20 vision should no longer be able to tell difference between 24'' 4K and 24'' 1920x1200 display if the content scales well (i.e., if the text size in millimeters on screen is the same).

Link to ppi calculator: http://isthisretina.com/
Well my viewing distance is around 30 - 40cm lol, I still think 4K is over the top and again I would prefer having a 3 monitor setup, just makes more sense to me and is more versatile

With movies and stuff how does 1200 compare to 1080? I seen a while ago some people complain that with 1200 it has black bars around the video its self
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Bump, anyone got any other suggestions on 1080p or 1200p monitors with light AG, vesa mount & have good accurate colours?

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Thanks
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Think I'm gonna either get the Dell U2413 or HP Z24i, seem to be the best monitors in my price range, unless anyone else has other options?
 

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Bump, what about just standard 1080p monitors?

Considering the Dell U2413, HP Z24i or Asus PA248Q. Leaning toward the Asus atm
 

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So out of the Eizo V2336W & HP Z24i which one would be better?

I can get them for more or less the same price, HP $560 each, Eizo $509 each
 

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Bump, been looking at the Dell U2414H & Dell P2414H, leaning toward one of these 2 atm lol
 

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http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_p2414h.htm

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2414h.htm

The EV2336 is better since it has a clearer coating which makes colors look more and clearer vibrant, suffers from less overshoot ghosting and lacks the "slim/frame-less" casing which is good since monitors like the Dell P/U series have an inner black bezel which makes the blacks look light (grayish/washed out) in comparison.
Ah ok, thanks, I already read the U2414H doesnt play nice with Nvidia cards lol so that put me off

What about out of the Eizo V2336W & HP Z24i (gotta love dem Aus prices), is the Eizo still the way to go?
 

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The Z24i can suffer from cross-hatching and it might use an IPS or PLS (no-cross-hatching) panel. Read through this HP Z24i [H] Thread.. I would pick whichever one can be easily returned or exchanged, a few people from [H] own one. Both are better than the U2413H which suffers from really obvious overshoot ghosting and the PA249Q which has slow pixel response times for an IPS/PLS panel and wide gamut monitors are a waste of money unless calibrated and color managed.
I read through both those links, makes it even harder lol some people seem to love them while others hate them
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. It's annoying how Prad seems to be the only site to actually review these monitors and TFT Central doesnt

Either one cant exactly be easily returned lol thats why I'm being so careful about what monitor I choose, dont wanna end up having crap AG like on my U2311H's
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I plan on getting a Spyder4Pro to use on all 3 of my screens so calibration isnt an issue, interested to see how my Asus 144Hz goes after calibration
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Aotta ask how does 1200p compare to 1080 with movies and stuff? I see a lot of people say with 1200p you get black bars above and below the video but every 1080 screen I've ever seen does that to...
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16:9 content will be displayed with black bars on the top and bottom on 1920x1200 monitors which are 16:10. The Z24i & EV2336 have semi-glossy coatings which are much lighter than the AG the U2311H uses. The Spyder 4 is inaccurate and can't read contrast/blacks properly. Get a colormunkie or higher end i1 display pro which can be used with Agryll which is free and one of the best calibration programs.
Ah ok makes sense now. Just as long as they dont have that grainy crappy look to them I'll be happy lol, cant stand reading on my Dells, I'd rather read stuff on my Asus which isnt any where near as sharp. Oh I didnt know that about the Spyder, I can get the Colormunki Smile or i1Display Pro, I was only gonna get the Spyder coz I seen heaps of people use it
 

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I have a BL2411PT that I just bought last week.

In a nutshell:

-Screen is very clear and barely any sign of "grainy" looks. Text is very sharp and clear without any kind of pixelation.
-Nice eco feature that turns off the screen when you are away from your computer and automatically turns it on when you sit in front of it.
-BIG screen real estate at 1920x1200.
-Nice colors out of the box. You can fine tune them to your liking without any hassle.
-Stand is very study and still.

Overall, I am happy with my purchase.

I also had a Asus PA249Q, but returned it. That one did have a grainy look compared to the Benq.

let me know if you have any questions.
I had a look at that BenQ and a couple of others TFT Central reviewed, they look damn nice but I cant get them here in Aus
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Might think about trying to import them but not sure yet, thanks tho, good to hear consumer happy with it
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Importing won't be worthwhile with the additional costs, inability to return+exchange, lack of warranty and a cross-hatching free Z24i is better than the BL2411PT since the BL2411PTs coating is grainier. The EV2336 is also better than the BL2411PT but is smaller.

Buy the Z24i and EV2336 with a credit card and return the one you like the least, assuming you can return both at no cost.
Well all that for importing plus in Aus we get slapped with an import tax if the product/s themselves are over $1000
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I might do that, or maybe I might just take a change on one or the other

Which one has the better sRGB colours or are they both the same?
 

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Thinking I might go for the HP Z24i and see how I go, if not I'll change to the EV2336W
 
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