[Blinx]

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A new study by a University of Warwick researcher has demonstrated that researchers trying to model a range of processes could use the power and capabilities of a particular XBox chip as a much cheaper alternative to other forms of parallel processing hardware.

Not really sure where to put this one.

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[DuckieHo]

Using CUDA probably would have been easier and faster to develop.... and much much much more powerful.

48 ATI shaders at 500MHz... HA HA...

 

[savagebunny]

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo Using CUDA probably would have been easier and faster to develop....

Very True

I just wish ATI would get more finished for ATI STREAM Technology

 

[usapatriot]

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo Using CUDA probably would have been easier and faster to develop.... and much much much more powerful. 48 ATI shaders at 500MHz... HA HA...

CUDA is a sham, and everybody knows it, it's been proven many times already, so please stop talking out of your rear-end. Thanks.

 

[underdog1425]

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Originally Posted by usapatriot CUDA is a sham, and everybody knows it, it's been proven many times already, so please stop talking out of your rear-end. Thanks.

references?

 

[Blinx]

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Originally Posted by underdog1425 references?

Yes please. I have heard nothing but good things about CUDA.

 

[BizzareRide]

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo Using CUDA probably would have been easier and faster to develop.... and much much much more powerful. 48 ATI shaders at 500MHz... HA HA...

I think you missed this part:

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The results of his work have just been published in the journal Computational Biology and Chemistry under the title of “Implications of the Turing completeness of reaction-diffusion models, informed by GPGPU simulations on an XBox 360: Cardiac arrhythmias, re-entry and the Halting problemâ€. The good news is that his hunch was right and the XBox 360 GPU can indeed be used by researchers in exactly the money saving way he envisaged. Simon Scarle said: “This is a highly effective way of carrying out high end parallel computing on “domestic†hardware for cardiac simulations. Although major reworking of any previous code framework is required, the Xbox 360 is a very easy platform to develop for and this cost can easily be outweighed by the benefits in gained computational power and speed, as well as the relative ease of visualization of the system.†However his research does have some bad news for a particular set of cardiac researchers in that his study demonstrates that it is impossible to predict the rise of certain dangerous arrhythmias, as he has shown that cardiac cell models are affected by a specific limitation of computational systems known as the Halting problem.

 

[DuckieHo]

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Originally Posted by usapatriot CUDA is a sham, and everybody knows it, it's been proven many times already, so please stop talking out of your rear-end. Thanks.

Do you have a better parallel optimized API that I could use? Is OpenCL finalized yet?

Please provide your many times of proof before insinuating ass talk.

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Originally Posted by BizzareRide I think you missed this part:

You missed a part too.... Why bother? When there are parallel programming APIs like CUDA and Stream avaliable? Xenos is a 500MHz 48 shader ATI GPU. He could have used Stream and just programmed on a better ATI GPU. A $85 HD4850 has 18 times the processing power. You know what's an even easier platform to develop for? A PC.

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"This is a highly effective way of carrying out high end parallel computing on "domestic" hardware for cardiac simulations. Although major reworking of any previous code framework is required, the Xbox 360 is a very easy platform to develop for and this cost can easily be outweighed by the benefits in gained computational power and speed, as well as the relative ease of visualization of the system." However his research does have some bad news for a particular set of cardiac researchers in that his study demonstrates that it is impossible to predict the rise of certain dangerous arrhythmias, as he has shown that cardiac cell models are affected by a specific limitation of computational systems known as the Halting problem.

 

[ChielScape]

xbox or xbox 360? EDIT: 360 from the pics... hope they dont RROD

 

[FuNkDrSpOt]

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Originally Posted by usapatriot CUDA is a sham, and everybody knows it, it's been proven many times already, so please stop talking out of your rear-end. Thanks.

Duckie talking out of his rear-end?! I call Shenanigans!

 

[AMD+nVidia]

I have to agree with DuckieHo.

What's the point? You can fit 4+ GPU's in one computer.

CUDA is already there!

 

[DuckieHo]

If this was just an exercise in doing something interesting, cool... but he wasted time when there are already developments tools for vastly more powerful hardware avaliable.

 

[GBob314]

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo If this was just an exercise in doing something interesting, cool... but he wasted time when there are already developments tools for vastly more powerful hardware avaliable.

Maybe he bought an XBox and didn't like playing Halo 3, so he wanted to justify his buying of the 360?

 

[Coma]

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo Using CUDA probably would have been easier and faster to develop.... and much much much more powerful. 48 ATI shaders at 500MHz... HA HA...

Probably not... CUDA is awful. Try picking it up and you'll run screaming into the night.

 

[Eastrider]

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Originally Posted by underdog1425 references?

You can wonder the rest.

(And no, I'm not generalizing. Don't take me bad.)

 

[Kuntz]

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo Using CUDA probably would have been easier and faster to develop.... and much much much more powerful. 48 ATI shaders at 500MHz... HA HA...

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Originally Posted by DuckieHo Do you have a better parallel optimized API that I could use? Is OpenCL finalized yet? Please provide your many times of proof before insinuating ass talk. You missed a part too.... Why bother? When there are parallel programming APIs like CUDA and Stream avaliable? Xenos is a 500MHz 48 shader ATI GPU. He could have used Stream and just programmed on a better ATI GPU. A $85 HD4850 has 18 times the processing power. You know what's an even easier platform to develop for? A PC.

Ehhhh Duckie, I don't think you are following why they chose to do it this way. You claim they could buy a 4850 for $85, this is incorrect, since this card needs to be plugged into something that is also running Windows Vista. Suddenly your $85 is now $1,000 per machine.

The reason the Xbox 360 is better is because it's a complete computer for $199, which includes an Operating System and Development Library built into the cost. If you read the article, you'd note that a big part of this research was the visual output of the math being done to a Monitor/TV screen.

The guy used to work for Rare/Microsoft as a software engineer and already knows full well how to program the Xbox 360 to do this stuff, so it makes perfect sense he chose to program a $199 platform than a more expensive $1,000 PC platform.

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A new study by a University of Warwick researcher has demonstrated that researchers trying to model a range of processes could use the power and capabilities of a particular XBox chip as a much cheaper alternative to other forms of parallel processing hardware.

You can buy 5 Xbox 360's for the price of a single PC.

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He was convinced that this chip could, for a few hundred pounds, be employed to conduct much the same scientific modelling as several thousand pounds of parallel network PCs.

There is the jackpot quote.

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The good news is that his hunch was right and the XBox 360 GPU can indeed be used by researchers in exactly the money saving way he envisaged.

 

[trueg50]

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Originally Posted by Kuntz Ehhhh Duckie, I don't think you are following why they chose to do it this way. You claim they could buy a 4850 for $85, this is incorrect, since this card needs to be plugged into something that is also running Windows Vista. Suddenly your $85 is now $1,000 per machine. The reason the Xbox 360 is better is because it's a complete computer for $199, which includes an Operating System and Development Library built into the cost. If you read the article, you'd note that a big part of this research was the visual output of the math being done to a Monitor/TV screen. The guy used to work for Rare/Microsoft as a software engineer and already knows full well how to program the Xbox 360 to do this stuff, so it makes perfect sense he chose to program a $199 platform than a more expensive $1,000 PC platform. You can buy 5 Xbox 360's for the price of a single PC. .

What is the point of buying 5 extremely unreliable systems for $1,000 when you have vastly more powerful, and massively more reliable computers for that price?

Lets give a budget of $2,000, thats what, 10 Xbox's? For that much you could easily use 2 high-end Nvidia GPU's, or ATI GPU's that would be hugely superior. Heck a 5780 is theoretically +27 times faster (and thats not taking into consideration shader frequency advantages).

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Originally Posted by Coma Probably not... CUDA is awful. Try picking it up and you'll run screaming into the night.

Given its incredible performance with all sorts of special applications, performance is great. Also given that many colleges are teaching courses on it at the 4th year level, I wouldn't say it is impossible, but certainly not a "Saturday project".

Though if you thought CUDA was bad, just imagine the fun Stanford had with the ATI folding application.

 

[003]

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Originally Posted by usapatriot CUDA is a sham, and everybody knows it, it's been proven many times already, so please stop talking out of your rear-end. Thanks.

Nope. CUDA is superior to OpenCL in DX11 because it access the GPU directly. OpenCL has to go through a DX conversion layer.

IDK about ATI Stream though. It really hasn't been utilized much.

 

[awdrifter]

Unless they modified the cooling for these Xbox360s, they'll definitely RROD when it's loaded at 100% 24/7.

 

[Kuntz]

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Originally Posted by trueg50 What is the point of buying 5 extremely unreliable systems for $1,000 when you have vastly more powerful, and massively more reliable computers for that price?

I can't answer that question, but if some Uni Prof & Engineer says he found a cheaper way to do something, and his article was published in a peer-reviewed journal, he's probably right.

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Lets give a budget of $2,000, thats what, 10 Xbox's? For that much you could easily use 2 high-end Nvidia GPU's, or ATI GPU's that would be hugely superior. Heck a 5780 is theoretically +27 times faster (and thats not taking into consideration shader frequency advantages).

May be true, but this guy already knows how to program for the Xbox 360, and from the sounds of it, has some libraries left over from his Rare/Microsoft days.

These guys have limited budgets and time when it comes to research, so the shortest and easiest path will always win out. I'm sure with infinite money and time, they'd have some elaborate GTX 285 setup going on.