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There has a lot of talk going on around DirectX 12 and how new and current graphics cards would utilize the latest API to leverage performance in upcoming gaming titles. In an interview with Computerbase regarding DirectX 12, AMD's Robert Hallock (Head of global technical marketing) revealed that their current GCN cards don't feature full DirectX 12 support and are limited to Feature Level 12_0 while the rivaling Maxwell graphics cards have full Feature Level 12_1 support.

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http://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-gcn-cards-feature-full-directx-12-support-feature-level-111-gcn-10-feature-level-120-gcn-1112/
 

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I don't pretend to understand all the varieties/nuances of DX12, but I thought AMD had already confirmed that their cards actually supported full DX12 even more so than Nvidia? Is there a source other than WCCF?
 

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I don't pretend to understand all the varieties/nuances of DX12, but I thought AMD had already confirmed that their cards actually supported full DX12 even more so than Nvidia? Is there a source other than WCCF?
The real source for this isn't wccf, it's an interview on computerbase with an AMD rep.

Either way, feature level wars usually have pretty much zero effect on actual consumers.
 

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And in previous news, the Maxwell series (900) series of cards ARE full DirectX 12_1 compatible.

So I guess with AMD making their confirming post, that is one less rumor put to bed about the "Which card is better for the upcoming DirectX 12" use.

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Some News on DirectX 12

First up, let's talk about DirectX 12. As we near the release of Windows 10 this summer you'll hear more about DX12 than you could ever imagine, with Intel, AMD and NVIDIA all banging the drum loud and clear. At this point, not everything can be divulged but NVIDIA wanted to be sure we understood that there were two very different aspects of the DX12 story: better CPU utilizing and efficiency along with new features that require new hardware. We have all heard the stories (ours included) talking about the backwards compatibility of DX12 for currently shipping GPUs, but that only accounts for the improved CPU utilization and efficiency portions of DX12. While that is critically important, there are indeed new features that require new GPU hardware to take advantage of, just like in all previous DirectX releases.

In terms of new features, there are currently two different feature levels: Feature Level 12.0 and Feature Level 12.1. Feature level 12.0 supports new rendering technologies like tiled resources, bindless textures and typed UAV access. 12.1 is more advanced and includes the 12.0 features but adds conservative raster and raster ordered views.

NVIDIA says that GM200 supports another feature as well: volume tiled resources. This additional feature brings support for 3D textures to be used in the tiled resource capability, utilizing less memory by only storing the specific tiles of textures required for rendering at that time. The tiled resources feature listed as a requirement for Feature Level 12.0 only needs to support 2D textures. With a 3D texture though a developer has the ability to store an additional dimension of data; NVIDIA gave an example of smoke where the third dimension of texture might indicate the pressure of the fluid, changing the color and response of the physics based on that 3rd dimension of data.

Conservative raster improves pixel coverage determination moving away from specific sample points and instead will register as covered if any portion of the pixel is covered by the geometry in question. This does come with some kind of performance penalty, of course, but it has the ability to improve coverage recognition for better image quality with new rendering techniques. NVIDIA gave the example of ray traced shadows that are free of aliasing image quality issues.

There is a still lot yet to be shown or discussed about DX12 but we can confirm now that Maxwell will support DirectX 12 Feature Level 12.1 as well as the volume tiled resources capability. I'm sure we'll hear AMD's side of this story very soon as well and hopefully some news from Microsoft this summer will help us better understand the overall direction of the API.
 

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I guess now we have confirmation that AMD lied on their own web site. Or at the very least, tried to redefine what the meaning of "full" means.

http://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/amd-demonstrates-2014mar20.aspx

AMD Demonstrates Full Support for New DirectX 12 at Game Developer Conference
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Today, AMD (NYSE: AMD) announced support for Microsoft® and its revamped graphics application programming interface, DirectX® 12, a new "console-like" version of the graphics API that has inspired PC gaming for nearly two decades. During the Microsoft®-sponsored panel, DirectX: Evolving Microsoft's Graphics Platform, AMD revealed that it will support DirectX® 12 on all AMD Radeon™ GPUs that feature the Graphics Core Next (GCN) architecture.
Their headline says FULL support, but the body doesn't say that, it just says "DirectX 12 on GCN. So at BEST, they are being intentionally deceptive if they really meant to say "FULL DirectX 12 support on their NEW CARDS, and PARTIAL (and in some cases NO) DirectX12 support on all the rest of their GCN cards.

Can you say 970 4GB?
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Honestly...Nothing of value was lost. No one will care about direct x12 or 12.1 etc.. for a while.
I know but AMD is the one saying DX12 will solve all of our perfomance problems.(All AMD reps are saying it)
Instead of fixing the DX11 overhead issue a long time ago!
 

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Honestly...Nothing of value was lost. No one will care about direct x12 or 12.1 etc.. for a while.
Hope that isn't true of DX12 given the potential performance benefits. If anything I'm hoping MS's upgrade strategy for Win10 will ensure good market penetration/acceptance.
 

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Well time to return my vapor x
 

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This is very unfortunate. I hope the rebrands and Fiji catch up in regard to DX12 support. It would be a shame to have yet another reason NOT to choose AMD.
 

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Also, not all the R9 200 series can do DirectX 12 at all ...
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The older cards such as the ones based on Tahiti, Pitcairn that include all the 7000 series cards (excluding HD 7790), Radeon R9 270 (X) and Radeon R9 280 (X) feature up to Feature Level 11_1 support.
Beyond what has been confirmed by AMD martketing, this also means the follow cards are also unlikely to support any DirectX 12 functions:

A GPU implementing Graphics Core Next 1.0 (Southern Islands) is found on R9 270, 270X, 280, 280X, R7 240, 250, 250X, 265, and R5 240 branded products.
A GPU implementing TeraScale 2 (VLIW5) (Northern Islands or Evergreen) is found on R5 235X and "below" branded products.

They will all be stuck on DirectX 11.
 

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It's Xbox One that'll dictate what features multiplatform titles use. It's unlikely we'll see any of these higher level features make a difference until we're well into 16 nm GPUs.
 

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Its feature level.That means it can do directx12 but not with all the features for better performance. But what do you expect from some people just the same propaganda without context

The base directx12 needs 11.0 features. Something that kepler only supports. But knucklehead you missed that kind of information right? Based on your comment also kepler cant do directx12
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Its feature level.That means it can do directx12 but not with all the features for better performance. But what do you expect from some people just the same propaganda without context

The base directx12 needs 11.0 features. Something that kepler only supports. But knucklehead you missed that kind of information right? Based on your comment also kepler cant do directx12
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But maxwell can
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Astounding how nobody in this thread read the article or even the quote.

The article talks of DX12.1, not 12.0. We don't even have any DX12 games and so many are on the hate bandwagon. Drama queens need to drama queen.
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This is very unfortunate. I hope the rebrands and Fiji catch up in regard to DX12 support. It would be a shame to have yet another reason NOT to choose AMD.
If that 7970 of yours is making you unhappy that you didn't choose nVidia I'll gladly take them off your hands and you can make yourself happy with Gameworks.
 

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But maxwell can
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Only maxwell 2gen can do feature level 12_1 which is an optional feature set for 11_0/1. You have a full directx12 support just with 11_0 just not all the optional features. We dont even know if they will see them at all in any game
 
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