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Hey TwoCables, congrats on the 5800X!!! I was following your other thread where you were wondering which CPU to get :)

I always use HWiNFO64 and I have for a long time. It is the best monitoring software hands down, in my opinion, especially for AMD. The developer is very active and open to input / suggestions!
 
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Hey TwoCables, congrats on the 5800X!!! I was following your other thread where you were wondering which CPU to get :)

I always use HWiNFO64 and I have for a long time. It is the best monitoring software hands down, in my opinion, especially for AMD. The developer is very active and open to input / suggestions!
Thank you! :)

So, what software should I use to push it so that it reaches its highest possible clock speed with my current BIOS settings?
 

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It depends on the load from the software.

Timespy is pretty good at showing a balancing of GPU w. CPU load as well as a good stress on the CPU at the end.
AIDA 64 will push all cores to establish stability.
And Cinebench R20 is probably the best pick. As it's most most flexible. It's quick and you can manually adjust the amount of workers. Whether it's one cores, 3 cores, or all cores etc.

And monitor real clock speeds with HWiNFO64 (effective clocks).
 

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It depends on the load from the software.

Timespy is pretty good at showing a balancing of GPU w. CPU load as well as a good stress on the CPU at the end.
AIDA 64 will push all cores to establish stability.
And Cinebench R20 is probably the best pick. As it's most most flexible. It's quick and you can manually adjust the amount of workers. Whether it's one cores, 3 cores, or all cores etc.

And monitor real clock speeds with HWiNFO64 (effective clocks).
So there isn't a generally-recommended/accepted program for seeing what the maximum boost clock is?
 

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Probably Cinebench R20. It's what I've seen shared most here and since those recommendations, I've made it apart of my "test suite".
 

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Probably Cinebench R20. It's what I've seen shared most here and since those recommendations, I've made it apart of my "test suite".
What about R23 that I've seen recommended?

(I could start checking these things out on my own, but I'm taking this slowly - it's been 10 years since I've been into stuff like this - I feel like I'm learning how to walk all over again)
 

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R23 is newer, it will likely replace R20 at some point. R20 as more mindshare I guess.

Note by default, R23 is set to 10min run time. Potentially you'll see less boosting behaviour as your cooling will reach steady state before the test will end. I'm sure you can remove that limit, or adjust it but... it's a bit counter-intuitive when you can just use R20 and compare against a wealth of data online.

In loads where you'll see boosting, it's typically dynamic vs a sustained load.
 

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R23 is newer, it will likely replace R20 at some point. R20 as more mindshare I guess.

Note by default, R23 is set to 10min run time. Potentially you'll see less boosting behaviour as your cooling will reach steady state before the test will end. I'm sure you can remove that limit, or adjust it but... it's a bit counter-intuitive when you can just use R20 and compare against a wealth of data online.

In loads where you'll see boosting, it's typically dynamic vs a sustained load.
Hmm. Interesting. Thank you.
 

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TC, this feels like a trick question. You are Effing with us right?

Are you asking what is the best torture test for your setup?

The title reads to me like "Which software will show me my highest achievable speeds"
 

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TC, this feels like a trick question. You are Effing with us right?

Are you asking what is the best torture test for your setup?
I've been out of the game for 10 years. I assume what I knew then doesn't apply today. All I've done until today is just enjoy my system. I spent like a week or two overclocking and what-not in 2011 when I built it and that was the end of it.

This CPU works VERY differently from the 2500K. I need to learn how to walk before I can run here.
 
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I was in the same boat. Was out of it and last OC'd on Sandy Bridge-E. Last year with WFH (and ongoing WFH) I got sucked back into it. So no harm.

Don't take my word for it either, im sure you can find lots of software which will promote boosting. I just believe R20 is the most recognized / discussed software.
 

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I was in the same boat. Was out of it and last OC'd on Sandy Bridge-E. Last year with WFH (and ongoing WFH) I got sucked back into it. So no harm.

Don't take my word for it either, im sure you can find lots of software which will promote boosting. I just believe R20 is the most recognized / discussed software.
Thank you. I hope to find what I'm looking for. I think it will be fun to watch my clock speed. :)
 

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As slaughta suggested R20/23. I usually run that, 3dMark and [email protected] Nothing stresses a GPU more than [email protected] Just keep an eye on the WHEA errors in HW64.
 
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No software. It's all done thru bios. For mine, I just enable PBO, run auto on everything, set power to motherboard limit, set boost +200mhz, and start tuning the curve optimizer. I'd try 1.3 v to the cpu core first, and then try negative 25 all core in pbo curve. If that is stable, then reduce the number to 26, 27 and so on until it is no longer stable. Then you can adjust per core. I trying to bring my faster cores more in line with the slightly less fast cores by making the number a bit more positive. So I think I have one set at negative 23 and the other at negative 24. My slowest core is set at negative 30, maybe one or 2 at 29, another at 28 27, and so on. 1.28 cpu core V is currently stable for me. I see sustained boost in 4975-5050mhz sometimes on all cores sometime 7/8. But I can say it does perform the best I've been able to get it to in games max cpu load it slightly under performs because it is being under-bolted, and it does still get hot at MAX load (need more voltage for hotter operation)

You may find you need a bit above 1.3v if your nornal operating temp is higher than mine. But I can't see anyone needing more than 1.33v

You can literally just open a bunch of programs at once to see your boost speed. I'll normally fire up a game, though, because that it probably the most utilization the cpu will see.
 

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No software. It's all done thru bios. For mine, I just enable PBO, run auto on everything, set power to motherboard limit, set boost +200mhz, and start tuning the curve optimizer. I'd try 1.3 v to the cpu core first, and then try negative 25 all core in pbo curve. If that is stable, then reduce the number to 26, 27 and so on until it is no longer stable. Then you can adjust per core. I trying to bring my faster cores more in line with the slightly less fast cores by making the number a bit more positive. So I think I have one set at negative 23 and the other at negative 24. My slowest core is set at negative 30, maybe one or 2 at 29, another at 28 27, and so on. 1.28 cpu core V is currently stable for me. I see sustained boost in 4975-5050mhz sometimes on all cores sometime 7/8. But I can say it does perform the best I've been able to get it to in games max cpu load it slightly under performs because it is being under-bolted, and it does still get hot at MAX load (need more voltage for hotter operation)

You may find you need a bit above 1.3v if your nornal operating temp is higher than mine. But I can't see anyone needing more than 1.33v

You can literally just open a bunch of programs at once to see your boost speed. I'll normally fire up a game, though, because that it probably the most utilization the cpu will see.
No no no, I want to know what can push my CPU enough to show me how high it can boost. I see 4850MHz in HWiNFO64 on boot-up but I want to know if it can go higher than that.

Seriously, I would never use software to do any kind of CPU overclocking. (unless that becomes the best choice someday way off in the future)
 

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^The exception to the above (software for overclocking) is CTR 2.0. I still recommend you give it a try. It gives you a full diagnosis of frequencies at various voltage stepping.

Meaning, it benchings the CPU with CB R20 and keeps lowering voltage by 5mv until it is unstable. Super useful to quickly determine the characteristics of your CPU.

Example:

ClockTuner for Ryzen 2.0 RC3 by 1usmus
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-Core Processor
GIGABYTE B550I AORUS PRO AX
BIOS ver. F11 SMU ver. 46.65.00
TABLE ver. 2361603
DRAM speed 3800 MHz
02/04/2021 10:01:31


Phoenix ready!
Cinebench R20 started
Cinebench R20 finished with result: 4942
Voltage: 1.355 V PPT: 119.6 W Temperature: 75.9°
10:03:36: Silicon FIT measurement started...
10:04:05: Silicon FIT measurement done!
10:04:05: Stress test stopped.

CCX coefficients
CCX# 1 0 CPPC 130
CCX# 2 3 CPPC 116


AVX light mode
Cycle time: 60000 ms
Reference frequency: 4050MHz
Reference voltage: 1225 mV
Voltage step: 6 mV


Manual overclocking mode enabled
10:04:06 AM: CCX1 (130): 4050 MHz, 1225 mV
10:04:06 AM: CCX2 (116): 4050 MHz, 1225 mV
10:04:07 AM: Step# 1. Diagnostic VID: 1225 mV
10:04:08 AM: Stress test 1 started...
10:04:42 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:04:44 AM: Stress test 2 started...
10:05:18 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:05:19 AM: Step# 2. Diagnostic VID: 1219 mV
10:05:20 AM: Stress test 1 started...
10:05:54 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:05:56 AM: Stress test 2 started...
10:06:30 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:06:31 AM: Step# 3. Diagnostic VID: 1213 mV
10:06:32 AM: Stress test 1 started...
10:07:06 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:07:08 AM: Stress test 2 started...
10:07:43 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:07:43 AM: Step# 4. Diagnostic VID: 1207 mV
10:07:44 AM: Stress test 1 started...
10:08:19 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:08:20 AM: Stress test 2 started...
10:08:53 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:08:54 AM: Step# 5. Diagnostic VID: 1201 mV
10:08:55 AM: Stress test 1 started...
10:09:30 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:09:32 AM: Stress test 2 started...
10:10:06 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:10:07 AM: Step# 6. Diagnostic VID: 1195 mV
10:10:08 AM: Stress test 1 started...
10:10:42 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:10:44 AM: Stress test 2 started...
10:11:18 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:11:19 AM: Step# 7. Diagnostic VID: 1189 mV
10:11:20 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:12:31 AM: Step# 8. Diagnostic VID: 1183 mV
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10:13:43 AM: Step# 9. Diagnostic VID: 1177 mV
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10:14:55 AM: Step# 10. Diagnostic VID: 1171 mV
10:14:56 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:16:07 AM: Step# 11. Diagnostic VID: 1165 mV
10:16:08 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:17:19 AM: Step# 12. Diagnostic VID: 1159 mV
10:17:20 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:18:31 AM: Step# 13. Diagnostic VID: 1153 mV
10:18:32 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:19:43 AM: Step# 14. Diagnostic VID: 1147 mV
10:19:44 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:20:55 AM: Step# 15. Diagnostic VID: 1141 mV
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10:22:07 AM: Step# 16. Diagnostic VID: 1135 mV
10:22:08 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:23:19 AM: Step# 17. Diagnostic VID: 1129 mV
10:23:20 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:24:31 AM: Step# 18. Diagnostic VID: 1123 mV
10:24:32 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:25:44 AM: Step# 19. Diagnostic VID: 1117 mV
10:25:45 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:26:21 AM: Stress test 2 started...
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10:26:56 AM: Step# 20. Diagnostic VID: 1111 mV
10:26:57 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:28:08 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:28:08 AM: Step# 21. Diagnostic VID: 1105 mV
10:28:09 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:29:20 AM: Step# 22. Diagnostic VID: 1099 mV
10:29:21 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:30:32 AM: Step# 23. Diagnostic VID: 1093 mV
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10:31:44 AM: Step# 24. Diagnostic VID: 1087 mV
10:31:45 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:32:56 AM: Step# 25. Diagnostic VID: 1081 mV
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10:34:08 AM: Step# 26. Diagnostic VID: 1075 mV
10:34:10 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:35:21 AM: Step# 27. Diagnostic VID: 1069 mV
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10:36:33 AM: Step# 28. Diagnostic VID: 1063 mV
10:36:34 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:37:45 AM: Step# 29. Diagnostic VID: 1057 mV
10:37:46 AM: Stress test 1 started...
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10:38:57 AM: Step# 30. Diagnostic VID: 1051 mV
10:38:58 AM: Stress test 1 started...
10:39:10 AM: Thread# 12 fall down!
10:39:10 AM: Stress test stopped.
10:39:11 AM: Step# 31. Diagnostic VID: 1057 mV


DIAGNOSTIC RESULTS
AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 8-Core Processor
Max temperature: 68°
Energy efficient: 3.83
Your CPU is GOLDEN SAMPLE
Recomended values for overclocking (P1 profile):
Reference voltage: 1250 mV
Reference frequency: 4325 MHz
Recomended values for overclocking (P2 profile):
Reference voltage: 1350 mV
Reference frequency: 4450 MHz
Recomended values for undervolting:
Reference voltage: 1175 mV
Reference frequency: 4175 MHz


Phoenix deactivated!
Phoenix ready!



AVX Light mode
Cycle time: 360000 ms
Reference frequency: 4325 MHz
CCX delta: 25 MHz
Reference voltage: 1250 mV
Target voltage: 1250 mV

Manual overclocking mode enabled

Step# 1
11:04:07 AM: WHEA-counter: 2
11:04:07 AM: CCX1 (130): 4325 MHz, 1250 mV OC+
11:04:07 AM: CCX2 (116): 4325 MHz, 1250 mV OC+
11:04:08 AM: Stress test #1 started...
11:04:12 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.9 % temperature: 55°
11:05:45 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:05:47 AM: Stress test #2 started...
11:05:50 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.9 % temperature: 57.5°
11:07:23 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:07:24 AM: Stress test #3 started...
11:07:28 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.7 % temperature: 57.6°
11:09:01 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:09:02 AM: Stress test #4 started...
11:09:06 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.6 % temperature: 57.2°
11:10:39 AM: Stress test stopped.

Step# 2
11:10:39 AM: WHEA-counter: 2
11:10:39 AM: CCX1 (130): 4325 MHz, 1244 mV OC+
11:10:39 AM: CCX2 (116): 4325 MHz, 1244 mV OC+
11:10:40 AM: Stress test #1 started...
11:10:44 AM: CPU Vdroop: 3 % temperature: 59°
11:12:17 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:12:19 AM: Stress test #2 started...
11:12:22 AM: CPU Vdroop: 3 % temperature: 59.3°
11:13:55 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:13:57 AM: Stress test #3 started...
11:14:00 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.7 % temperature: 57.7°
11:15:33 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:15:35 AM: Stress test #4 started...
11:15:38 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.7 % temperature: 57.6°
11:17:12 AM: Stress test stopped.

Step# 3
11:17:13 AM: WHEA-counter: 2
11:17:13 AM: CCX1 (130): 4350 MHz, 1250 mV OC+
11:17:13 AM: CCX2 (116): 4350 MHz, 1250 mV OC+
11:17:14 AM: Stress test #1 started...
11:17:18 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.9 % temperature: 59.7°
11:18:51 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:18:52 AM: Stress test #2 started...
11:18:56 AM: CPU Vdroop: 3 % temperature: 60.6°
11:20:29 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:20:30 AM: Stress test #3 started...
11:20:34 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.7 % temperature: 58.1°
11:22:06 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:22:08 AM: Stress test #4 started...
11:22:12 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.7 % temperature: 58.3°
11:23:44 AM: Stress test stopped.

Step# 4
11:23:45 AM: WHEA-counter: 2
11:23:45 AM: CCX1 (130): 4350 MHz, 1244 mV OC+
11:23:45 AM: CCX2 (116): 4350 MHz, 1244 mV OC+
11:23:46 AM: Stress test #1 started...
11:23:50 AM: CPU Vdroop: 3 % temperature: 59.7°
11:25:22 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:25:24 AM: Stress test #2 started...
11:25:28 AM: CPU Vdroop: 3 % temperature: 60°
11:27:01 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:27:03 AM: Stress test #3 started...
11:27:06 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.6 % temperature: 58.7°
11:28:39 AM: Stress test stopped.
11:28:41 AM: Stress test #4 started...
11:28:44 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.7 % temperature: 58.8°
11:30:17 AM: Stress test stopped.

Step# 5
11:30:18 AM: WHEA-counter: 2
11:30:18 AM: CCX1 (130): 4375 MHz, 1250 mV OC+
11:30:18 AM: CCX2 (116): 4375 MHz, 1250 mV OC+
11:30:19 AM: Stress test #1 started...
11:30:22 AM: CPU Vdroop: 2.9 % temperature: 60.7°
 

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Lol, OK, I definitely misunderstood the question at first. Um, so you can use cinebench as others have mentioned, but that will not show you how high it can boost because the load is so great that it likely won't get max boost. Like I said I can just open a bunch of programs and see it typically. Better to run a high demand game title for a minute or two. You'll see it. Your max boost is likely 4850 without going into bios and increasing it. I think max I have seen is 5099,or maybe 5101. But I am trying to keep all cores at 5050 or as close as possible
 
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