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looking at i7 and i5 ivy bridge processors

i will be using my (eventually) built computer for 3d/2d design, gaming, music editing and movies

i will be doing triple 23" monitors

ive never done over clock and knowing me id bugger something up

so i was wondering what processor you guys would recommend

i like the look of the 3770k but it costs a bomb but i can afford it

in another thread i started the dudes and lasses said to wait for haswell

i cant see haswell being that much better

any advise infor or anything would be appreciated
 

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If you want to buy current gen then the 3770K would be a good fit for you considering you do 3D/2D work and music editing. Waiting for Haswell could be an option but it won't be that much better, maybe around 10%. If you're seriously into your editing work then go with the i7, if it's just a hobby and you don't really need all the CPU horsepower then save a bit of money and get the 3570K which is still a great processor.
 

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Isn't there some cheap Xeons available, which are basicly i7's without unlocked multipliers? They're priced at i5 levels, so it's a steal if you're not going to oc
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Here's the cheapest one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117286
There are..but what boards will support them is the question?
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Isn't there some cheap Xeons available, which are basicly i7's without unlocked multipliers? They're priced at i5 levels, so it's a steal if you're not going to oc
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Doesn't it say in the OP that he'll be gaming too? Xeons aren't really much good at that
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They're not that bad at gaming, right? I'm guessing a couple of % lower framerates, but nothing dramatic.
 

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3770k would be great.
3930k would be more a powerful choice if you wanted to spend more.
 

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3770k would be great.
3930k would be more a powerful choice if you wanted to spend more.
yer the 3930k looks awesome but for twice the price forget it i could never afford that atleast not on my current income
 

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It's just a quad-core but still requires an Socket 2011 / X79 chipset motherboard, and those don't come cheap. Really, when it comes to X79, go hex-core or go home.

In short, X79 quad-cores aren't worth the price differential (in terms of CPU and mobo price differential) over ordinary Socket 1155 i7-3770K and e3-12x0 v2 CPUs.
 

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It's just a quad-core but still requires an Socket 2011 / X79 chipset motherboard, and those don't come cheap. Really, when it comes to X79, go hex-core or go home.

In short, X79 quad-cores aren't worth the price differential (in terms of CPU and mobo price differential) over ordinary Socket 1155 i7-3770K and e3-12x0 v2 CPUs.
i was looking at i5 and i7 ivy pros and id spend around 150 on mobo for the features i want

i only suggested the 3820 or whatever it was because some mentioned the uber sandybridge e pros but they cost 500 over here
 

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It's just a quad-core but still requires an Socket 2011 / X79 chipset motherboard, and those don't come cheap. Really, when it comes to X79, go hex-core or go home.

In short, X79 quad-cores aren't worth the price differential (in terms of CPU and mobo price differential) over ordinary Socket 1155 i7-3770K and e3-12x0 v2 CPUs.
says the person who hasn't used a hexa core cpu to render a movie or 3d work. 1155 is a dead socket, if you a short on money you can grab 3820 and a decent Asrock x79 extreme 6 which can do 64gb of ram so that you may setup a Ramdisk and render your movies faster. All of this is the same exact price as the 1155 counterparts and it offers more native PCI-E lanes, if you are doing %50 or higher of 3d editing or movie rendering these day you are better with a overclocked 3930k than 2 xeon cpus in the same price bracket. Also Lga 2011 has an upgrade path to the upcoming SB-E 3980x 8core / 16 thread cpu and later the IB-E/P 10C/20thread 4900 series cpus.
 

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It'd help if you told us exactly what programs you use and how you use them (amateur vs professional, some of your work even, etc). Not all video editing programs use hyperthreading, encoding programs might care about multi-threaded performance but are ultimately bottlenecked by capture anyways so more threads really doesn't mean much.
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in another thread i started the dudes and lasses said to wait for haswell
That's because you already have an incredibly strong system as it is. Everyone is giving you wacky answers because we can't see your sig rig, we all assume you are posting on your phone or some crappy laptop or ipad. There's no reason to wait for haswell but if you have an extremely strong computer system as it is, it's not so much that we are tellling you to go to haswell as we are saying "hey, your current computer is pretty strong, there's no need to upgrade at all, so you might as well as what haswell is like before making any decisions".

I wouldn't really expect haswell to be affordable until black friday november anyways.
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1155 is a dead socket,
Every socket is a dead socket, that's so dumb. LGA 1155 is 2 generations, LGA1150 will just be 2 generations, intel is always 2 generations. And with their chipsets it's really more like each board will only last a single generation or maybe 1.5 generations. Then look at AM3+, FX was a disaster so you basically stuck with a single generation. Look at am2, yea it was more than 2 generations but you were taking such compromises that that was another dead socket.

Please. Upgrade your cpu, you need to upgrade your motherboard. Computer components are like cash anyways, use it, sell it for what you paid for it (or close it), move on. There's no need these days to keep a computer for 5 years, you should just swap out your parts every year.
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All of this is the same exact price as the 1155 counterparts and it offers more native PCI-E lanes, if you are doing %50 or higher of 3d editing or movie rendering these day you are better with a overclocked 3930k than 2 xeon cpus in the same price bracket. Also Lga 2011 has an upgrade path to the upcoming SB-E 3980x 8core / 16 thread cpu and later the IB-E/P 10C/20thread 4900 series cpus.
Maybe I'm just assuming but given how the OP talks (no offense, but vague 'video editing' and never having overclocked and talk of any budget or value at all) I seriously doubt SB-E is the right choice for him.

People make it out that the i5-3570k is terrible at multi-threaded applications and immediately recommend the i7 whenever someone so much as says 'multithreaded solitatire'. I think it's a bit much.

OP, for a smart choice, you need to tell us what you are doing, fill out your sig rig (aren't you using an i7 right now even? just disable hyperthreading on it and see the performance hit you take and see if that's really necessary, or if you feel a performance hit at all), what exactly are you doing. For professional work, yea, youll need an i7. For home user stuff, home movies, basic videos, youtube stuff, you really don't need an i7...

Best Z77 board would likely be the Gigabyte Z77-D3H or the cheapest Biostar board based on your needs (do you need SLI, TZ77XE4, do you need just crossfire, TZ77B, just a basic good board, TZ77A).
 

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im on a very weak computer

intel pentium dual core lga755 socket 2.7ghz
4gb ram
500gb hard drive
optical drive
240w power supply

^^s**t^^

i do not do video rendering where you guys go t that idea i dont know

i do 3d and 2d design on furnture gardens and any thing else i can think of

games id like to be able to chuck pritty much anything at this new rig and not struggle

i kno what parts to get but dont know which cpu to get

ill be saving for a while and will have the money for all the parts by end of august
 

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i swore you said you had some first gen i7 system. maybe confusing people with goat avatars.

You should upgrade now, don't wait on haswell. Well, not that I can say one way or the other, but no one can tell you if haswell will be good. Most people generally think you should just not bother with waiting. You never know how haswell will turn out, but even if it meets expectations, that's 10% performance increase, as intel says. I mean people said wait for bulldozer and piledriver and look how that turned out. People said wait for ivy bridge, and while IB is pretty awesome (especially dat memory controller), if you had an SB it wasn't worth upgrading to.

I didnt' say rendering, he did.
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i do 3d and 2d design on furnture gardens and any thing else i can think of
Sorry I dont know much about this. Do you do this on your current system? How well does your current system handle it? What programs do you use, what program, what program, what program.

If you want a cpu that you can chuck any game at and 'not struggle' then a Pentium G860 would be more than enough power. Maybe an Athlon II, or a Phenom II X4 if you want to make sure to have quadcore for multithreaded applications. Games aren't really cpu bottlenecked, and the ones that are, do fine on a Pentium or athlon ii. i5-3570k is the KING of gaming chips, as in it's just top boss, it'll max out every game, and still have way more power than necessary. It's overkill, way overkill, it's just better fps than maybe a few other chips and only in very cpu intensive games that already run smooth on much weaker chips.

So the i7, on top of the i5, it's just not just overkill, but features that games simply dont use. The i7 beats the i5 in gaming because it has 2mb larger L3 cache, which basically means it runs about 100-200mhz faster. Ie, it's such a meaningless extra, the i7 doesnt beat the i5 because of the hyper threading. i7 also runs 200mhz faster at stock so that's why benchmarks show the i7 beating the i5 sometimes.

Really, you might be best with a pentium or i3. Or phenom ii x4, I really think phenom ii x4 is the way to go for a budget build - with an overclock, it beats the i3 in value since you can't overclock an i3 (even with bclk overclock i think you can max it at like 3.5ghz i think, because stock multi is so low?), that'd also cover your multi-threaded applications.

Then the rest of your money, you put in a GTX 7870. Get it?

My point is that you are basically asking about gaming CPU, and the i7 is not a gaming Cpu, it's an entry level server chip or professional work chip. Like.... a mustang is a fast car. A bugatti veyron? Unless you run the drag strip or whatever, the bugatti veyron is going to be limited to the same 80mph on a highway. I guess that's a bad example but like both the veyron and the mustang are going to drive around the backroads at like 50mph and rev up similarly in the hands of most drivers. If you want gaming power, you go for the GPU, not CPU.

And what games are you even running? It really depends on what you play. Like said, what programs do you use, what programs do you use, what programs do you use. It all depends what programs you use but drawing couches and some games is not i7 territory. You need to realize that all of this chips are insanely powerful, relatively. The pentium g2120 is sold as a high end CPU, because it is.
 

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Haswell, the new intel architecture, is coming out this quarter, so i would wait unless you absolutely need it quickly. But if you do a lot of 3D/2D rendering, hyperthreading will help, i'd recommend the 3770k
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If you decide to wait couple of months or even less go for the "4770k" which. I'd strongly recommend waiting tho, as it's gonna come with a new socket, which makes your mobo more "future proof"
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Also look into overclocking, higher clock speeds will make rendering much faster, and with new chips it's really easy!
 

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i think me saying mines a pentium dual core should be all the info u need to kno of how crap it is

i can do basic designs on this computer (google sketch up)

but i want to more advanced designs

and as for games i want to run most of the upcoming games mainly shooter games

i play world of tanks on this computer and i get 6fps

i kno gpu over cpu is better for gaming

i have the gpu sorted

and as for going with a pentium hell no my exp with pentium so far i hate them

i3 well i might as well get a barebones computer which i wont do again i made that mistake once

im looking at around £1400 in total

add in monitors and speakers £700

if i get a i5 ivy if i ever need or want to i could up grade to i7
 

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i do not do video rendering where you guys go t that idea i dont know

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looking at i7 and i5 ivy bridge processors

i will be using my (eventually) built computer for 3d/2d design, gaming, music editing and movies

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They way your sentence was phrased it sounded like you are editing your music and movies, maybe next time please phrase the sentence so that we are aware of your intentions. Watching movies would also have been acceptable.
 
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