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For about 4-5 months I've been using Windows 10 exclusively. It's been fine to work with, most things work well with it, some things I just can't get working at all. These things are to be expected with a new operating system, and would even be acceptable if the new operating system showed some real advantages over past examples. One of the largest problems I've ran into is running games only a few years old from my steam library on Windows 10, and they just don't seem to work regardless of how much tinkering I do.

Recently I've started using Windows 7 again on another PC. I think the biggest sign that a new operating system has better features that you may not notice right away, is when you see yourself missing them when going back to an older operating system. I've yet to experience that yet though, with the exception of additional types of windows snapping i haven't missed any features of windows 10. In fact it's the opposite, I use Windows 10 and find myself missing features of Window 7, such as working games.

Additionally, in the games that to do (which to be fair, is the majority), I've seen a 5-10% decrease in performance across the board. Now that could simply be because my antiquated hardware can't fully utilize Windows 10, but it remains a factor.

So at this point, before we are forced to move on to Windows 10 due to hardware no longer being supported on Windows 7, why switch? What are the benefits, if any? I've heard some people say it's more secure, but I haven't been hit with a virus or any serious malware in at least 3-4 years regardless of operating system. I feel that has more to do with the user and how careful they are with content.
 

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Windows 10 is faster.
At doing what? It's not faster for gaming.

Might be faster at boot, but i don't turn my computer off. As far as web browsing goes, if it is faster than Windows 7 it's certainly not any difference i can notice.
 

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For about 4-5 months I've been using Windows 10 exclusively. It's been fine to work with, most things work well with it, some things I just can't get working at all. These things are to be expected with a new operating system, and would even be acceptable if the new operating system showed some real advantages over past examples. One of the largest problems I've ran into is running games only a few years old from my steam library on Windows 10, and they just don't seem to work regardless of how much tinkering I do.

Recently I've started using Windows 7 again on another PC. I think the biggest sign that a new operating system has better features that you may not notice right away, is when you see yourself missing them when going back to an older operating system. I've yet to experience that yet though, with the exception of additional types of windows snapping i haven't missed any features of windows 10. In fact it's the opposite, I use Windows 10 and find myself missing features of Window 7, such as working games.

Additionally, in the games that to do (which to be fair, is the majority), I've seen a 5-10% decrease in performance across the board. Now that could simply be because my antiquated hardware can't fully utilize Windows 10, but it remains a factor.

So at this point, before we are forced to move on to Windows 10 due to hardware no longer being supported on Windows 7, why switch? What are the benefits, if any? I've heard some people say it's more secure, but I haven't been hit with a virus or any serious malware in at least 3-4 years regardless of operating system. I feel that has more to do with the user and how careful they are with content.
Maybe the decrease in performance may due to the face win10 use directx 12 instead of directx 11 in win7
 

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Maybe the decrease in performance may due to the face win10 use directx 12 instead of directx 11 in win7
Very possible. Perhaps i'll have to wait until i some new hardware before i make a final decision.

Have you noticed any increase in performance for gaming?
 

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Pretty sure that's not how it works. W10 is capable of using DX11 which it does, but is able to provide support for DX12. It W10 used DX12 exclusively, a lot of people wouldn't be able to use it due to limited driver support.
 

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I'm still clinging on to 8.1 as long as possible, but I'm sure I'll be pressured to upgrade soon. Microsoft will find a way.
 

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Windows 10 has all DX libraries included even DX 7 (well I guess, since every update of DirectX included past versions), so the issues lies with the hardware and drivers. Now, imagine a whole PC working with no drivers (working as a whole), you wouldn't see such issues.
 

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Video drivers play a bigger role in Windows 10(at least with nVidia).

The best nVidia driver set is 353.62. All the ones released after that have actually been worse than the set before. It seems like 353.62 was last set to help with performance of the card. The drivers released after that have been geared to a particular games.

Here are a few spreadsheets that I have been keeping to sort out which driver set performs the best(in these benchmarks anyway).

Firestrike:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xIkrkjFyV6SMaSwrRC7VssKl26lSXLNlRkkaleQEVh8/edit?usp=sharing

Valley:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mejjJQXnOXT_sw0StjwEY8OYHJUkBRO5kDNhm-BDmXg/edit?usp=sharing

Heavensward:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NBnY77u7O9zFuNP6RE-X2aI1zjJoYtLqyIC_8MrUVR4/edit?usp=sharing

These were all on Windows 10 Home.
 

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I'm still clinging on to 8.1 as long as possible, but I'm sure I'll be pressured to upgrade soon. Microsoft will find a way.
I feel for you man
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For about 4-5 months I've been using Windows 10 exclusively. It's been fine to work with, most things work well with it, some things I just can't get working at all. These things are to be expected with a new operating system, and would even be acceptable if the new operating system showed some real advantages over past examples. One of the largest problems I've ran into is running games only a few years old from my steam library on Windows 10, and they just don't seem to work regardless of how much tinkering I do.
What games are you referring to, and what kind of issues are you having? I actually haven't run into any problems when gaming really.
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Recently I've started using Windows 7 again on another PC. I think the biggest sign that a new operating system has better features that you may not notice right away, is when you see yourself missing them when going back to an older operating system. I've yet to experience that yet though, with the exception of additional types of windows snapping i haven't missed any features of windows 10. In fact it's the opposite, I use Windows 10 and find myself missing features of Window 7, such as working games.
Cortana, if you're into that sort of thing I guess would be a reason. The start menu is pretty nice too. I haven't gone further into the OS yet.
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Additionally, in the games that to do (which to be fair, is the majority), I've seen a 5-10% decrease in performance across the board. Now that could simply be because my antiquated hardware can't fully utilize Windows 10, but it remains a factor.
I have noticed a slight drop, but really not so perceptible unless you're really looking for it. Not something I've bothered tracking honestly.
 

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What games are you referring to, and what kind of issues are you having? I actually haven't run into any problems when gaming really.
One of the biggest ones has been trying to get GTA 4 working with Windows 10. It continuously asks for the code and my Games for Windows account etc. I tried a few different things before giving up. It's not just me either, as it has caused the ratings on steam to plummit. There were a few others, when I'm home i'll put together a list.
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Cortana, if you're into that sort of thing I guess would be a reason.
The last thing i need is windows spying on me even more. Disabled cortana immediately.
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The start menu is pretty nice too. I haven't gone further into the OS yet.
I don't like it, or the fact that it comes pre installed with 6 ads right out of the box. I think it's ridiculous that there's ads on the computer before you even do anything with it. Maybe i still haven't gotten used to it, but i find browsing for programs a real chore. I find myself going to find the source folder on my C drive more often than i use the start menu. At which point i just make a shortcut in the menu, the same as i would make a shortcut in a folder on my desktop in Windows 7, or as a quick launch.
 

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My next PC will be under Linux, nevermind DX12, i'll play Linux games and i'll get the control of my PC back. Now, I just need to learn how to use Linux and that is more exciting than fighting against MS. Feel a little better now
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Very possible. Perhaps i'll have to wait until i some new hardware before i make a final decision.

Have you noticed any increase in performance for gaming?
I havent noticed a direct effect on gaming from the OS alone, just from going to a z170 board and from an fx4300 to an i7 oc. although early win10 driver issues fried one of my logitec headsets to the point that it was rather unstable. There was also some instability in ff14, but i think my first install of win10 was just plain bad
 

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why w10 sucks and i wont use it. its not geared for people with computers its geared for people with things. you know, things. like, a little square thing they walk around with shining in their faces, tapping on their screens like monkeys. thats what that os is geared for. it wont work good on computers and micro is trying to destroy the computer anyway as they hate it since it runs on binary and not stupid like the mobile phone, tablet and screw you with it, laptop industry. at least they dont have it strangled, and the only reason these people use these other things is cause their so addicted to porno they cant leave the house. end
 

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One of the biggest ones has been trying to get GTA 4 working with Windows 10. It continuously asks for the code and my Games for Windows account etc. I tried a few different things before giving up. It's not just me either, as it has caused the ratings on steam to plummit. There were a few others, when I'm home i'll put together a list.
To be fair, I've experienced this on Win7. I don't blame Win10, I blame GFWL (Games for Windows Live).
 

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I find myself going to find the source folder on my C drive more often than i use the start menu. At which point i just make a shortcut in the menu, the same as i would make a shortcut in a folder on my desktop in Windows 7, or as a quick launch.
I do the saaaame thing bro. Instead of clicking start I always click the little Folder shortcut on the taskbar now.

The start menu options take you into Smartscreen now. Where typing in "Control Panel" in the search is the only way to take you back to the classic settings (these are both separate I must add). I don't like having 2 sets of options for everything. I don't need apps controlling my wifi network and my security...
 
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